Rate / Rank The Leagues - Yes its the unwinnable argument!

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This was where we'd left the most comprehensive fleshing of the debate :

Tier 1
AFL (National)

Tier 2 (Semi Pro)
SANFL
VFL
WAFL

Tier 3
Diamond Valley FL
Eastern FL (Vic)
VAFA A Grade

Tier 4 (Strong Regional)
Ovens & Murray
Northern Territory FL
Essendon DFL


Tier 5
Geelong FL
AFL Canberra (ACT)
SAAFL Div 1
Goulburn Valley
MPNFL
Southern FL (SA)
VAFA B Grade



Tier 6
AFLQ (Qld)
Northern Tasmanian FL
Southern FL (Tas)
SAAFL Div 2


Tier 7 (Middleing)
Ballarat FL (Vic)
Bendigo FL
Central Aust CC (NT)
Central Murray FL
Hampden FL
Riverina FL
SAAFL Div 3
VAFA C Grade
West Gippsland-La Trobe FL
Western Border FL
Sydney FL


Tier 8
Barossa Light Gawler FL (SA)
Central AFL (NT)
Great Southern FL (SA)
Murray FL
North Central FL (Vic)
Sunraysia FL
VAFA D Grade
Western DFL Div 1 (Vic)
Wimmera FL


Tier 9 (Still good standard)
Alberton FL (Vic)
Central Highlands FL
Hills FL
Horsham DFL
Mid Gippsland FL
Riverland FL
Southern FL (Vic)
Tallangatta DFL
Katherine DFL
Tiwi Islands FL
VAFA D1
Warrnambool DFL

Tier 10 (Towards the lower end of the scale)
Colac DFL
East Gippsland FL
Ellinbank DFL
Gove FL
Heathcote DFL
Mallee FL (Vic)
Maryborough-Castlemaine DFL
North Gippsland FL
Ovens & King FL
Top End FA
VAFA D2

Tier 11
Adelaide Plains FL (SA)
Barkly AFL (NT)
Golden Rivers FL
Lexton Plains FL
Loddon Valley FL
Mallee FL (SA)
Mininera DFL
Northern Plains FL
Riviera FL
VAFA D3

Tier 12 (Park Football)
Maningrida FL
Millewa FL
Omeo & DFL
Upper Murray FL
VAFA D4
Woomera DFL
Tanami FL

Tier 13
VAFA Club XVIII
Wadeye FL
Anangu P F.L
 
where would the bellarine football league and geelong & district football league fit in on there? are they under the geelong fl if not i think they would be around tier 7,8,9
 

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Metallica_Man said:
where would the bellarine football league and geelong & district football league fit in on there? are they under the geelong fl if not i think they would be around tier 7,8,9
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nah this is just a community debate thread, not official, so we haven't mentioned every league yet. Is BFL worse than GDFL? Better? Always argued about?
 
Ok I've just added them in, of course its always subject to debate :

Tier 1
AFL (National)

Tier 2 (Semi Pro)
SANFL
VFL
WAFL

Tier 3
Diamond Valley FL
Eastern FL (Vic)
VAFA A Grade

Tier 4 (Strong Regional)
Ovens & Murray
Northern Territory FL
Essendon DFL


Tier 5
Geelong FL
AFL Canberra (ACT)
SAAFL Div 1
Goulburn Valley
MPNFL
Southern FL (SA)
VAFA B Grade



Tier 6
AFLQ (Qld)
Northern Tasmanian FL
Southern FL (Tas)
SAAFL Div 2


Tier 7 (Middleing)
Ballarat FL (Vic)
Bendigo FL
Central Aust CC (NT)
Central Murray FL
Hampden FL
Riverina FL
SAAFL Div 3
VAFA C Grade
West Gippsland-La Trobe FL
Western Border FL
Sydney FL


Tier 8
Barossa Light Gawler FL (SA)
Bellarine FL (Vic)
Central AFL (NT)
Great Southern FL (SA)
Murray FL
North Central FL (Vic)
Sunraysia FL
VAFA D Grade
Western DFL Div 1 (Vic)
Wimmera FL


Tier 9 (Still good standard)
Alberton FL (Vic)
Central Highlands FL
Geelong DFL (Vic)
Hills FL
Horsham DFL
Mid Gippsland FL
Riverland FL
Southern FL (Vic)
Tallangatta DFL
Katherine DFL
Tiwi Islands FL
VAFA D1
Warrnambool DFL

Tier 10 (Towards the lower end of the scale)
Colac DFL
East Gippsland FL
Ellinbank DFL
Gove FL
Heathcote DFL
Mallee FL (Vic)
Maryborough-Castlemaine DFL
North Gippsland FL
Ovens & King FL
Top End FA
VAFA D2

Tier 11
Adelaide Plains FL (SA)
Barkly AFL (NT)
Golden Rivers FL
Lexton Plains FL
Loddon Valley FL
Mallee FL (SA)
Mininera DFL
Northern Plains FL
Riviera FL
VAFA D3

Tier 12 (Park Football)
Maningrida FL
Millewa FL
Omeo & DFL
Upper Murray FL
VAFA D4
Woomera DFL
Tanami FL

Tier 13
VAFA Club XVIII
Wadeye FL
Anangu P F.L
 
Sunraysia (Tier 8) defeated North Central (Tier 8) and Western Border (Tier 7) at last years Country Championships. Food for thought.
 
Santoz said:
Sunraysia (Tier 8) defeated North Central (Tier 8) and Western Border (Tier 7) at last years Country Championships. Food for thought.
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Interesting, so we're on the right track. How were North-Central against Western Border?
 
thats a fair effort my only concern is that most seem to think that the gv and o and m are the best out side the pro leagues arent they a tad low maybe better than diamond valley?
 
Yeah there's considerable debate as to whether DVFL should be where it is (same tier as EFL) or one below (same as O&MFL).

There is also some iffiness about how the GVFL shape up against the O&MFL. GVFL is probably up the top end of Tier 5.

But, yeah!
 
Mobbenfuhrer said:
Ok I've just added them in, of course its always subject to debate :

Tier 1
AFL (National)

Tier 2 (Semi Pro)
SANFL
VFL
WAFL

Tier 3
Diamond Valley FL
Eastern FL (Vic)
VAFA A Grade

Tier 4 (Strong Regional)
Ovens & Murray
Northern Territory FL
Essendon DFL


Tier 5
Geelong FL
AFL Canberra (ACT)
SAAFL Div 1
Goulburn Valley
MPNFL
Southern FL (SA)
VAFA B Grade



Tier 6
AFLQ (Qld)
Northern Tasmanian FL
Southern FL (Tas)
SAAFL Div 2


Tier 7 (Middleing)
Ballarat FL (Vic)
Bendigo FL
Central Aust CC (NT)
Central Murray FL
Hampden FL
Riverina FL
SAAFL Div 3
VAFA C Grade
West Gippsland-La Trobe FL
Western Border FL
Sydney FL


Tier 8
Barossa Light Gawler FL (SA)
Bellarine FL (Vic)
Central AFL (NT)
Great Southern FL (SA)
Murray FL
North Central FL (Vic)
Sunraysia FL
VAFA D Grade
Western DFL Div 1 (Vic)
Wimmera FL


Tier 9 (Still good standard)
Alberton FL (Vic)
Central Highlands FL
Geelong DFL (Vic)
Hills FL
Horsham DFL
Mid Gippsland FL
Riverland FL
Southern FL (Vic)
Tallangatta DFL
Katherine DFL
Tiwi Islands FL
VAFA D1
Warrnambool DFL

Tier 10 (Towards the lower end of the scale)
Colac DFL
East Gippsland FL
Ellinbank DFL
Gove FL
Heathcote DFL
Mallee FL (Vic)
Maryborough-Castlemaine DFL
North Gippsland FL
Ovens & King FL
Top End FA
VAFA D2

Tier 11
Adelaide Plains FL (SA)
Barkly AFL (NT)
Golden Rivers FL
Lexton Plains FL
Loddon Valley FL
Mallee FL (SA)
Mininera DFL
Northern Plains FL
Riviera FL
VAFA D3

Tier 12 (Park Football)
Maningrida FL
Millewa FL
Omeo & DFL
Upper Murray FL
VAFA D4
Woomera DFL
Tanami FL

Tier 13
VAFA Club XVIII
Wadeye FL
Anangu P F.L
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in the last 5 years i've moved around the state abit with school and work and have played seniors in 5 different leagues...a the teams i played for were pretty strong with in there league...the leagues in order from strongest to weakest were;

hampden league (very strong league, far stronger than bendigo or central murray which i have seen a fair bit of which are rated on the same tier)

golden rivers league (top four or five teams in this comp are very strong, most players in the better teams would slot well in to any central murray team)

warrnambool district league (really scrappy league, even the top teams play ulgy congested footy....should be about two tiers below golden rivers)

picola league (about on par with warrnambool district...however has been five years since i've seen that league)

marybrough district (what can i say...no offence but this league should be at least 3 tiers below golden rivers and at least one below warrnambool and picola...ugly football not much structure and some really un fit footballers)

Thats how i rate those leagues after playing in them in the past few years! however the standard of football has never had anything to do with the amount of enjoyment i've had. if any thing i recon the most enjoyable league would have been golden river....any way that just what i think

cheers
 
My friend who has watched Diamond Valley for forty years reckons that their standard has slipped away and is now a tier below Eastern.
 

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Mobbenfuhrer said:
Ok I've just added them in, of course its always subject to debate :

Tier 1
AFL (National)

Tier 2 (Semi Pro)
SANFL
VFL
WAFL

Tier 3
Diamond Valley FL
Eastern FL (Vic)
VAFA A Grade

Tier 4 (Strong Regional)
Ovens & Murray
Northern Territory FL
Essendon DFL


Tier 5
Geelong FL
AFL Canberra (ACT)
SAAFL Div 1
Goulburn Valley
MPNFL
Southern FL (SA)
VAFA B Grade



Tier 6
AFLQ (Qld)
Northern Tasmanian FL
Southern FL (Tas)
SAAFL Div 2


Tier 7 (Middleing)
Ballarat FL (Vic)
Bendigo FL
Central Aust CC (NT)
Central Murray FL
Hampden FL
Riverina FL
SAAFL Div 3
VAFA C Grade
West Gippsland-La Trobe FL
Western Border FL
Sydney FL


Tier 8
Barossa Light Gawler FL (SA)
Bellarine FL (Vic)
Central AFL (NT)
Great Southern FL (SA)
Murray FL
North Central FL (Vic)
Sunraysia FL
VAFA D Grade
Western DFL Div 1 (Vic)
Wimmera FL


Tier 9 (Still good standard)
Alberton FL (Vic)
Central Highlands FL
Geelong DFL (Vic)
Hills FL
Horsham DFL
Mid Gippsland FL
Riverland FL
Southern FL (Vic)
Tallangatta DFL
Katherine DFL
Tiwi Islands FL
VAFA D1
Warrnambool DFL

Tier 10 (Towards the lower end of the scale)
Colac DFL
East Gippsland FL
Ellinbank DFL
Gove FL
Heathcote DFL
Mallee FL (Vic)
Maryborough-Castlemaine DFL
North Gippsland FL
Ovens & King FL
Top End FA
VAFA D2

Tier 11
Adelaide Plains FL (SA)
Barkly AFL (NT)
Golden Rivers FL
Lexton Plains FL
Loddon Valley FL
Mallee FL (SA)
Mininera DFL
Northern Plains FL
Riviera FL
VAFA D3

Tier 12 (Park Football)
Maningrida FL
Millewa FL
Omeo & DFL
Upper Murray FL
VAFA D4
Woomera DFL
Tanami FL

Tier 13
VAFA Club XVIII
Wadeye FL
Anangu P F.L
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I've played in all three of these leagues and played in a combined 3 senior premierships in two of them (AFL Canberra and NTFL) and i can say that the Canberra league is as good if not better then these other two. My opinion.
 
catch me if u can said:
in the last 5 years i've moved around the state abit with school and work and have played seniors in 5 different leagues...a the teams i played for were pretty strong with in there league...the leagues in order from strongest to weakest were;

hampden league (very strong league, far stronger than bendigo or central murray which i have seen a fair bit of which are rated on the same tier)

golden rivers league (top four or five teams in this comp are very strong, most players in the better teams would slot well in to any central murray team)

warrnambool district league (really scrappy league, even the top teams play ulgy congested footy....should be about two tiers below golden rivers)

picola league (about on par with warrnambool district...however has been five years since i've seen that league)

marybrough district (what can i say...no offence but this league should be at least 3 tiers below golden rivers and at least one below warrnambool and picola...ugly football not much structure and some really un fit footballers)

Thats how i rate those leagues after playing in them in the past few years! however the standard of football has never had anything to do with the amount of enjoyment i've had. if any thing i recon the most enjoyable league would have been golden river....any way that just what i think

cheers
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catch me, you have some great thoughts here..interesting and based upon experience, an excellent mix..an unwinnable debate it is, but a super fun and interesting one at that! just a couple of questions for you,

a)- i see you have high regard for the golden rivers league, the one in northern victoria? you say that the players in the good sides would slot easily into central murray sides (the neighboring major league)..is this because the difference between the top few sides and the rest is quite large in the GRFL, and as a result the good players perhaps look better than they actually are as they are playing against low rate opposition every 2nd week? which is surely evident in every league, however more prominant in the minor leagues in this case?

b)- what are your thoughts with judgement, do you think it can sometimes be different from watching to actually playing? i know mine is in this regard, often footy looks scrappier or worse when watching from the outer..i cannot compare the 3 mentioned leagues however i know the bendigo league is well respected or was before this drought?

c)- and finally, you can definitely help me with this one..is the type of footy different in say the western areas such as hampden, warrnambool etc (not certain on geographical locations) compared to say the bendigo, central murray and golden rivers??
 
football head said:
catch me, you have some great thoughts here..interesting and based upon experience, an excellent mix..an unwinnable debate it is, but a super fun and interesting one at that! just a couple of questions for you,

a)- i see you have high regard for the golden rivers league, the one in northern victoria? you say that the players in the good sides would slot easily into central murray sides (the neighboring major league)..is this because the difference between the top few sides and the rest is quite large in the GRFL, and as a result the good players perhaps look better than they actually are as they are playing against low rate opposition every 2nd week? which is surely evident in every league, however more prominant in the minor leagues in this case?

b)- what are your thoughts with judgement, do you think it can sometimes be different from watching to actually playing? i know mine is in this regard, often footy looks scrappier or worse when watching from the outer..i cannot compare the 3 mentioned leagues however i know the bendigo league is well respected or was before this drought?

c)- and finally, you can definitely help me with this one..is the type of footy different in say the western areas such as hampden, warrnambool etc (not certain on geographical locations) compared to say the bendigo, central murray and golden rivers??
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a) i most can see your point here..and yes the bottom few teams are definatly poor (not the case this year i beleive) and i guess that can make the good players look a hell of a lot better. but in last years comp the top 4 teams were very strong and most of there players would be welcomed into the most central murray teams. also alot players from the central murray seniors to golden rivers and i can tell u that not to many of them stand out in the teams they go to! however in sayin that there a some absoulte guns in the CM who would carve it up i golden river!

b) yes, games can look scrappy on the side line. this is highlighted well when you actually watch a video of some games and u think sh!t that not as quick as i thought.

c) football in the western district is, i believe far more congested than that of the northen leagues (sort of basing that on golden rivers vs warrnambool district and central murray vs hampden). i guess this might be because of the weather condition down west being pretty wet most of the time.

hope that answers your questions footy head:thumbsu:
 
Mobbenfuhrer said:
Ok I've just added them in, of course its always subject to debate :

Tier 10 (Towards the lower end of the scale)
Colac DFL
East Gippsland FL
Ellinbank DFL
Gove FL
Heathcote DFL
Mallee FL (Vic)
Maryborough-Castlemaine DFL
North Gippsland FL
Ovens & King FL
Top End FA
VAFA D2

Tier 11
Adelaide Plains FL (SA)
Barkly AFL (NT)
Golden Rivers FL
Lexton Plains FL
Loddon Valley FL
Mallee FL (SA)
Mininera DFL
Northern Plains FL
Riviera FL
VAFA D3
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Mob, you're damned right it is up for debate. You seem to know lots about football but putting the MCDFL above LPFL and LVFL is a huge mistake.

Not being a di<k but I'd like to hear your justification on why you would give such a ranking.

Here is why I believe LPFL is miles in front of MCDFL.

1. The MCDFL is the worst brand of football I have ever seen. The competition last year had very few close games as there is 1 clearly dominant team. About 5 middle of the road and 3 teams that couldn't win a game in any league.

2. Blowouts: In one of the final rounds last year three (3) teams scored over 300 points. I don't think the 200 point barrier was cracked in the LPFL last season.

3. Champions League style match up.

1st v 1st: Carngham Linton v Harcourt

My tip: Carngham 5 goals. Too big, too strong, too intimidating for Harcourt. Harcourts forwards would have seriously had their supply cut off by CL's constant physical pressure and Ryan Head at CHB cutting every forward ball off fearlessly. Harcourt as good as they are would have trouble stopping Ross Waters, Robbie Greenbank, and Pring. And who could stop the mighty Porter?

Would be a good game though.

2nd v 2nd. Skipton v Newstead

My Tip: Skipton 10 goals. Oliver, Christmas and co are very good players but come up short against big Tim McKay, Darren Fletcher and Keirnan Molly. Skipton play a very strong team oriented game and the three mentioned above would be too much for a MCDFL team to handle.

3rd v 3rd. Natte v Carisbrook.

My tip: Natte 10 goals. Jeremy Sanders, Shane Field and Nathan Wright are worth having a look at if you were a major league coach. Yet when you look at Natte there are many to chose from. Steven Ross, James McNamee, Brent Mortlock, Jeremy Robinson, Luke and Leigh Berlund, and Ryan Weir were on the list for my clubs recruiting this year and all received phone calls. Bottom Line: Natte with way too much quality and run.

4th v 4th. Rokewood v Rovers.

My tip: Rokewood by less than a goal. Elliot, Sellars and Fraser are great players and Rokewood have a great list too with Blackford, Begbie and Coxon. The thing that seperates the 2 is the depth. Rokewood played around 50 people in their 1's last year which couldn't be done at Rovers.

5th v 5th. Lexton v Royal Park.
My tip: Lexton by 15 goals. Royal Park is not a finals side by any stretch of the imagination. The quality of players at Lexton in Box, Dridan, Matt Brown and etc are a long shot better than Forde, Noonan, and etc of Royal Park. Not taking anything away from those 2 good RP players but the three mentioned for Lexton would play well at major league levels.

4. Major League I look at things from a major league point of view and there are very few people that we would want to chase in the MCDFL. The LPFL on the other hand is very, very rich in talent. If a Ballarat Football League club could have free reign and choose a list of players from the LPFL to make a team from scratch, it should win a flag. The same could not be said for a MCDFL best of team.

5. The running game. The ball is moved around in the LPFL much better than MCDFL. My description of the MCDFL would be slow, sloppy football.

6. The average age. The LPFL teams are younger and the MCDFL is full of has beens who can stiff shuffle around for 5 or so years after their careers should be finished. LPFL and LVFL are very fit running teams.

7. Avoca: Let's not forget that Avoca had to bail on the LPFL due to the horrible hidings they were copping each week and made the finals in the MCDFL the following year with essentially the same team. They were no way near the standard of the LPFL for the entire time of the merged leagues.

8. Goal kickers: To have 4 or 5 players kick 100 goals in a season is a joke. 2 players from 1 team kicked 100! Mob, you're a history buff. Is that a first time ever. LPFL had one century goal kicker. I'd love to see how much Porter or McNamee would get if they played 6 games against Cambells Creek, Dunolly or Trentham. In all honesty, Porter could not be stopped. He'd be kicking 20 a game against those teams. How many goals is Ladiges sitting on in the LPFL at the moment? Fu<k all. And he's playing for a way better team than Maldon.

9. Proximity to Ballarat:

It's a game of numbers. If you've got 5 teams within 30 minutes of a major city of 80,000 plus, the standard is going to be better. Maryborough and Castlemaine are the major hubs of the MCDFL, so it is stupid to think that the 2 leagues can even be compared in standard.

In Closing:
It's a bit of an endless debate because the MCDFL guys will come in and say that their league is quality football. I have played in neither, but I feel very sure in saying that the LPFL and LVFL are a long, long, long way in front of the MCDFL.
 
Old School Biff said:
Mob, you're damned right it is up for debate. You seem to know lots about football but putting the MCDFL above LPFL and LVFL is a huge mistake.

Not being a di<k but I'd like to hear your justification on why you would give such a ranking.

Here is why I believe LPFL is miles in front of MCDFL.

1. The MCDFL is the worst brand of football I have ever seen. The competition last year had very few close games as there is 1 clearly dominant team. About 5 middle of the road and 3 teams that couldn't win a game in any league.

2. Blowouts: In one of the final rounds last year three (3) teams scored over 300 points. I don't think the 200 point barrier was cracked in the LPFL last season.

3. Champions League style match up.

1st v 1st: Carngham Linton v Harcourt

My tip: Carngham 5 goals. Too big, too strong, too intimidating for Harcourt. Harcourts forwards would have seriously had their supply cut off by CL's constant physical pressure and Ryan Head at CHB cutting every forward ball off fearlessly. Harcourt as good as they are would have trouble stopping Ross Waters, Robbie Greenbank, and Pring. And who could stop the mighty Porter?

Would be a good game though.

2nd v 2nd. Skipton v Newstead

My Tip: Skipton 10 goals. Oliver, Christmas and co are very good players but come up short against big Tim McKay, Darren Fletcher and Keirnan Molly. Skipton play a very strong team oriented game and the three mentioned above would be too much for a MCDFL team to handle.

3rd v 3rd. Natte v Carisbrook.

My tip: Natte 10 goals. Jeremy Sanders, Shane Field and Nathan Wright are worth having a look at if you were a major league coach. Yet when you look at Natte there are many to chose from. Steven Ross, James McNamee, Brent Mortlock, Jeremy Robinson, Luke and Leigh Berlund, and Ryan Weir were on the list for my clubs recruiting this year and all received phone calls. Bottom Line: Natte with way too much quality and run.

4th v 4th. Rokewood v Rovers.

My tip: Rokewood by less than a goal. Elliot, Sellars and Fraser are great players and Rokewood have a great list too with Blackford, Begbie and Coxon. The thing that seperates the 2 is the depth. Rokewood played around 50 people in their 1's last year which couldn't be done at Rovers.

5th v 5th. Lexton v Royal Park.
My tip: Lexton by 15 goals. Royal Park is not a finals side by any stretch of the imagination. The quality of players at Lexton in Box, Dridan, Matt Brown and etc are a long shot better than Forde, Noonan, and etc of Royal Park. Not taking anything away from those 2 good RP players but the three mentioned for Lexton would play well at major league levels.

4. Major League I look at things from a major league point of view and there are very few people that we would want to chase in the MCDFL. The LPFL on the other hand is very, very rich in talent. If a Ballarat Football League club could have free reign and choose a list of players from the LPFL to make a team from scratch, it should win a flag. The same could not be said for a MCDFL best of team.

5. The running game. The ball is moved around in the LPFL much better than MCDFL. My description of the MCDFL would be slow, sloppy football.

6. The average age. The LPFL teams are younger and the MCDFL is full of has beens who can stiff shuffle around for 5 or so years after their careers should be finished. LPFL and LVFL are very fit running teams.

7. Avoca: Let's not forget that Avoca had to bail on the LPFL due to the horrible hidings they were copping each week and made the finals in the MCDFL the following year with essentially the same team. They were no way near the standard of the LPFL for the entire time of the merged leagues.

8. Goal kickers: To have 4 or 5 players kick 100 goals in a season is a joke. 2 players from 1 team kicked 100! Mob, you're a history buff. Is that a first time ever. LPFL had one century goal kicker. I'd love to see how much Porter or McNamee would get if they played 6 games against Cambells Creek, Dunolly or Trentham. In all honesty, Porter could not be stopped. He'd be kicking 20 a game against those teams. How many goals is Ladiges sitting on in the LPFL at the moment? Fu<k all. And he's playing for a way better team than Maldon.

9. Proximity to Ballarat:

It's a game of numbers. If you've got 5 teams within 30 minutes of a major city of 80,000 plus, the standard is going to be better. Maryborough and Castlemaine are the major hubs of the MCDFL, so it is stupid to think that the 2 leagues can even be compared in standard.

In Closing:
It's a bit of an endless debate because the MCDFL guys will come in and say that their league is quality football. I have played in neither, but I feel very sure in saying that the LPFL and LVFL are a long, long, long way in front of the MCDFL.
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great wrap up old school!!! and every word is true. having seen all of these leagues i couldnt fault that write up!! have u ever consdiered a job writting 4 the hearld sun:thumbsu:
 
My justification? My justification is that I know far less about footy than you think I do, and I originally threw MCDFL in at a little bit higher grading because with places like Castlemaine and Maryborough around, I wrongly assumed there'd be more strength than in a league's largest centre was Avoca ... or maybe Skipton.

So ... in summary ... I just guessed! Have never seen a MCDFL match, nor a CHFL match, in my life, I have seen one LVFL match, 1 LPFL ground while no match was being played because Ararat didn't have reserves, and a very large number of Lexton FL matches, but few of those in the 90s.

But by putting all these up here, I inspire folks such as yourself to add argument, and corrections, and hopefully it will begin to take shape!
 
Oh, though now that I've read your post, re the Avoca comments. I thought Avoca were copping hidings every week because all their better players, some of which came from such places as Maryborough were adverse to the travel of the LPFL, anda lot of the reason Avoca moved to the MCDFL was to attract players back.

AVoca were a top team through the 1980s, it was usually assumed that that was due to their being the largest town. It was assumed it wasn't proximity to Ballarat, because if that was the case, why wasn't Lexton more successful than they were?
 
Mobbenfuhrer said:
My justification? My justification is that I know far less about footy than you think I do, and I originally threw MCDFL in at a little bit higher grading because with places like Castlemaine and Maryborough around, I wrongly assumed there'd be more strength than in a league's largest centre was Avoca ... or maybe Skipton.

So ... in summary ... I just guessed! Have never seen a MCDFL match, nor a CHFL match, in my life, I have seen one LVFL match, 1 LPFL ground while no match was being played because Ararat didn't have reserves, and a very large number of Lexton FL matches, but few of those in the 90s.

But by putting all these up here, I inspire folks such as yourself to add argument, and corrections, and hopefully it will begin to take shape!
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I thought you were an old Marnoo boy or something.

Your justification there is fair enough. In fact CL, Illabarook, Lexton, and Skipton would be 30m or less out of Ballarat. Rokewood would be 45m. Natte took me an hour on the weekend. Ararat is probably about the same and I wouldn't even know where the hell Navarre is.

On that, you can change the two spots around! :D

If anyone has a problem with it. Tell them to PM me.:thumbsu:
 
Mobbenfuhrer said:
Oh, though now that I've read your post, re the Avoca comments. I thought Avoca were copping hidings every week because all their better players, some of which came from such places as Maryborough were adverse to the travel of the LPFL, anda lot of the reason Avoca moved to the MCDFL was to attract players back.

AVoca were a top team through the 1980s, it was usually assumed that that was due to their being the largest town. It was assumed it wasn't proximity to Ballarat, because if that was the case, why wasn't Lexton more successful than they were?
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That was part of the problem. The Lexton FL teams really struggled early when the leagues merged due to the fact that their major local cities were either Maryborough or Stawell which hardly yield the amount of footballers compared to Ballarat.

The travel is something that has made the LFL teams struggle to recruit but Lexton has been a finals regular and Natte has had 2 solid seasons coming 3rd and should do as well if not better this year. Navarre has improved greatly too.

If you look at Natte and Avoca, they both went different ways. Very poor results in 2004. They both are the same distance from Maryborough and Avoca is slightly closer to Ballarat. Natte stayed in the LPFL and Avoca left. The players Natte picked up would not play MCDFL football because they come from Ballarat. So, IMO, Avoca almost limited their recruiting pool to Maryborough with a move to the MCDFL wheras Natte kept it right open to Maryborough and Ballarat people.

Time will tell which club made the right choice but they are both looking for big years in their respective leagues.
 
Yes, from Marnoo, but never played footy there. Just went to the matches. My first match of open-age footy was down here in Melb, for Cheltenham, in 1991. My lord I was crap! :D

It was entertaining how you found Natte and went looking for the paper :), I believe there's a footy ground, some form of hall on the same property as the ground, and a house or two. Bealiba's a bit bigger but probably only similar size approx to Lexton. Navarre is somewhere between the two. No pub!

Ok, down comes MCDFL!
 
Ok I've just added them in, of course its always subject to debate :

Tier 1
AFL (National)

Tier 2 (Semi Pro)
SANFL
VFL
WAFL

Tier 3
Diamond Valley FL
Eastern FL (Vic)
VAFA A Grade

Tier 4 (Strong Regional)
Ovens & Murray
Northern Territory FL
Essendon DFL


Tier 5
Geelong FL
AFL Canberra (ACT)
SAAFL Div 1
Goulburn Valley
MPNFL
Southern FL (SA)
VAFA B Grade



Tier 6
AFLQ (Qld)
Northern Tasmanian FL
Southern FL (Tas)
SAAFL Div 2


Tier 7 (Middleing)
Ballarat FL (Vic)
Bendigo FL
Central Aust CC (NT)
Central Murray FL
Hampden FL
Riverina FL
SAAFL Div 3
VAFA C Grade
West Gippsland-La Trobe FL
Western Border FL
Sydney FL


Tier 8
Barossa Light Gawler FL (SA)
Bellarine FL (Vic)
Central AFL (NT)
Great Southern FL (SA)
Murray FL
North Central FL (Vic)
Sunraysia FL
VAFA D Grade
Western DFL Div 1 (Vic)
Wimmera FL


Tier 9 (Still good standard)
Alberton FL (Vic)
Central Highlands FL
Ellinbank DFL
Geelong DFL (Vic)
Hills FL
Horsham DFL
Mid Gippsland FL
Riverland FL
Southern FL (Vic)
Tallangatta DFL
Katherine DFL
Tiwi Islands FL
VAFA D1
Warrnambool DFL

Tier 10 (Towards the lower end of the scale)
Colac DFL
East Gippsland FL
Gove FL
Heathcote DFL
Lexton Plains FL
Loddon Valley FL
Mallee FL (Vic)
North Gippsland FL
Ovens & King FL
Top End FA
VAFA D2

Tier 11
Adelaide Plains FL (SA)
Barkly AFL (NT)
Golden Rivers FL
Mallee FL (SA)
Maryborough-Castlemaine DFL
Mininera DFL
Northern Plains FL
Riviera FL
VAFA D3

Tier 12 (Park Football)
Maningrida FL
Millewa FL
Omeo & DFL
Upper Murray FL
VAFA D4
Woomera DFL
Tanami FL

Tier 13
VAFA Club XVIII
Wadeye FL
Anangu P F.L
 

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