Autopsy Rd 10 Carlton d Geelong by 19 points - Post Match Discussion

[T2B_]

Ugh stop

 

[Windhover]

Not at all "ridiculous"... Selwood had not been in great form for about a month. Plus he looks a little less than 100% fit.

1. This is factually incorrect. 3 weeks before playing against us he had 35 possies against West Coast, and 32 against Gold Coast. 24 disposals against the Crows was not a great return, but not hopeless. He was apparently well-tagged against the Pies.
2. What player starts a game not 100% fit, gets sfa of the ball in the opening quarter and then plays out the remainder of the game strongly?

If Scott wasn't taking us seriously, he would've indeed started Selwood in the middle.

I read what you wrote. I don't believe it. Selwood has nearly as many clearances this year as Cripps. You think BB will start Cripps anywhere other than the middle in a game we are taking seriously?

The idea being, our midfield wouldn't put up too much resistance against them and Selwood would have a day out. If anything, Selwood started forward to avoid the early onslaught from our tough, hard hitting, formidable midfield... They were protecting him.

Protecting Joel Selwood? Seriously? He hasn't had or needed that sort of protection from his first season. I'm willing to bet Joel Selwood starts in the middle against the GWS whether or not Coniglio starts on him.

No chance Scott was taking us lightly. Love him or hate him, he's no fool, he knows underestimating us would be a mistake...

I agree with you that Scott was absolutely NOT "Taking us lightly". What he was doing was "taking us lightly" relative to the time, planning and effort he would make in a game against one of the other teams currently in the top 8 (since they are the only teams who have any realistic chance of playing finals). They are the 8 point games. Winning those games means more than 4 points. It means depriving one of your finals competitors of 4 points and relative position on the ladder. It also means gaining "the wood" over them.

Scott's 1/4 time performance barraging/berating his team suggests the team was likewise not "switched on". AFL is a very long season. No team can play at their best all season and hope to be any good at the business end. Even good sides have form slumps and the Cats losses against the Pies and us demonstrates clearly they are going through one. This makes it as silly for us to go overboard with our good win as it would be for the Cats to lose perspective from their bad loss.

 

[TheCoach16]

1. This is factually incorrect. 3 weeks before playing against us he had 35 possies against West Coast, and 32 against Gold Coast. 24 disposals against the Crows was not a great return, but not hopeless. He was apparently well-tagged against the Pies.
2. What player starts a game not 100% fit, gets sfa of the ball in the opening quarter and then plays out the remainder of the game strongly?



I read what you wrote. I don't believe it. Selwood has nearly as many clearances this year as Cripps. You think BB will start Cripps anywhere other than the middle in a game we are taking seriously?



Protecting Joel Selwood? Seriously? He hasn't had or needed that sort of protection from his first season. I'm willing to bet Joel Selwood starts in the middle against the GWS whether or not Coniglio starts on him.



I agree with you that Scott was absolutely NOT "Taking us lightly". What he was doing was "taking us lightly" relative to the time, planning and effort he would make in a game against one of the other teams currently in the top 8 (since they are the only teams who have any realistic chance of playing finals). They are the 8 point games. Winning those games means more than 4 points. It means depriving one of your finals competitors of 4 points and relative position on the ladder. It also means gaining "the wood" over them.

Scott's 1/4 time performance barraging/berating his team suggests the team was likewise not "switched on". AFL is a very long season. No team can play at their best all season and hope to be any good at the business end. Even good sides have form slumps and the Cats losses against the Pies and us demonstrates clearly they are going through one. This makes it as silly for us to go overboard with our good win as it would be for the Cats to lose perspective from their bad loss.

You seem determined to take the gloss off this win. You call it "balance", fair enough...
Let's assume that everything you're saying is 100% true and accurate. Let's assume you know exactly what Chris Scott and all his players were thinking...
Given ALL THAT, plus the fact that we were two men down for the majority of the game. Do you think we would've won this game, in this fashion, last year? Or the year before that? Rhetorical... No we wouldn't have...
On pure talent alone, Geelong would've found a way to win this game. We would've been brave, unlucky and happy to get close. But we would've lost...

This was a win that showed our club has improved in so many areas and on so many levels. I couldn't care less about what our opposition is thinking or doing. We beat a premiership contender on the rebound, down two players.
This was a mammoth victory, for the players, the coaches, the club and the supporters.
It would be very difficult to replicate that performance every week, but the way we played, we would've beaten anyone last week, whether they were serious or not...
We may go out and lose to Brisbane this week, but our performance against Geelong was nothing short of brilliant. And if you know anything about a team and club environment, you'll know that victories like that are invaluable...

 

[T2B_]

Well said coach. We'll have losses along the way, we'll probably be inconsistent at times, but let's not devalue the genuinely good performances.

 

[Sector 7G]

You would think that after an insipid performance against the Pies the Cats would be raring to prove that loss was an aberration. I know I was concerned we would be made an example of.

What the 2 loses seem to indicate is the Cats aren't a top 4 side and are reliant on stars to drag them across the line. They have too many very average players who were outworked.

It was a great team performance by the Blues in adverse conditions with no passengers. I am loving the Journey.

 

[Magruder]

That's only because that is what is meant by "under"estimating.

Taking the colloquial meaning of your phrase ("this game was very important to our long term development"), I disagree.

That said, I agree with you.

I tend to ignore grammatical or compositional advice from those that confuse verbiage with quality communication of a viewpoint.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

we need a shitfights thread

 

[thylacine60]

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

 

[bluebrew]

Funny our team wins a few games and all of a sudden it is not us winning, but the other team not trying...honestly some will never be happy.

 

[ShanDog]

I've come around to the windbag. He poo poo'd everything Malthouse and our previous game plan and he was right. Since Bolton has arrived, Windhover has made some very positive and astute posts. I've gone from dismissing him as a disgruntled ass to dipping my lid to someone who could see the coming apocalypse and stuck to his guns.

Don't agree with a lot of what you're saying now, but enjoy reading your point of view.

 

[mediumsizered]

Funny our team wins a few games and all of a sudden it is not us winning, but the other team not trying...honestly some will never be happy.

You sound surprised. It goes something like this. Carlton lose: we are crap, our players are crap, we're a laughing stock. We win: the opposition aren't trying, the opposition are crap, we got lucky.

 

[BM123]

Bolton would've learned a lot of about Geelong at Hawthorn I imagine.

Clearly out coached Scott.

 

[thylacine60]

Stuff like pressure them and hit them hard and they fold? Stuff like that?

 

[BM123]

Stuff like pressure them and hit them hard and they fold? Stuff like that?

Geelong really don't like it when you bring the heat. Look at how Sydney and Freo have embarrassed them in recent years.

Their younger guys aren't so flash at the coal face compared to their premiership heroes like Joel Corey, Kelly and Bartel in their prime.

 

[thylacine60]

spot on - we gave them zero room - they looked a lot like us in the past - ring-a-ring-a-rosy in the back pocket with no way out and all the time being pushed further toward the donut van.

 

[Wiggo4PM]

Why is this fred still being bumped - time to move on. I am sure the team haven't discussed Geelong game for as long as we have.

Its game day.