Autopsy Rd 3 Blues beat Giants - We're not putting that one in a time capsule

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Harry Mckay a big big worry just doesn't seem to have the appetite to compete ATM. Always running under the ball, sometimes playing for a free kick that's not there. Needs to learn how to impose himself more on games and quickly.

Tough day for tall forwards all around, given how hard it was to find clean entries. Then there was the Sam Taylor factor. He's a gun. H does tend to get the better key defender since his height is a concern for the opposition. He will find his way out of this.

 

[T2B_]

Harry is putting in some nice pressure acts though, which wasn't his natural game before, so I don't think his mentality is the problem. He'll be fine.

 

[Robertio]

Harry is putting in some nice pressure acts though, which wasn't his natural game before, so I don't think his mentality is the problem. He'll be fine.

Great to have two key forwards who are really mobile

 

[Garters]

I really try to be a positive and a glass half full kind of person, but when I see Fish and Lob’s effort or should I say lack of effort, all I see is red, and wasted spots on our list. Not positive about them at all. They are fast becoming whipping boys 1 and 2 for me. Supposed talent in spades yet we never see any of it!

Really hope they spend some time in the 2’s and feel what it’s like to earn the spot rather than assuming they’re walk up starts. Maybe that will change the effort, attitude and output. ?

Surely there’s better options knocking down the door!?
How about Dow? How about Honey? Cunners? Someone!

Honey 7 touches in the twos yesterday Cunners 1st game back 9 touches. Both seem miles of the pace at this stage. As someone else has mentioned, with Walsh and Kennedy to come in prob takes care of itself at this stage.

 

[BlueTongue]

Ps: you do realise Owies was subbed at quarter time with an injury?

err no, only got home for the last Qtr. Eating a massive slice of humble pie now arent I ...

 

[The Sultan]

Not enough love for Charlie’s mark in the last quarter. Two players on him and on the boundary and plucks a one handed from no where, I assumed it had gone over the line..

 

[T2B_]

Not enough love for Charlie’s mark in the last quarter. Two players on him and on the boundary and plucks a one handed from no where, I assumed it had gone over the line..

Even the commentators were surprised.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Our highest scores last year had 31 scoring shots. We also had a game with 30 scoring shots last season. 29 scoring shots last night will end up being one of the highest we have this season too.

Fixing the shot taking and adjusting the forward 50 entries is more solvable than getting contested ball or setting up a team defence (had those been in our problems instead).

So my main takeaway is the thing we need to work on most is actually very solvable.






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A little bit of selfishness from some players but I’m not too mad about that. I thought we overused the ball last season inside 50 and this season it seems players are taking the responsibility to take the shot. Need to find a happy medium but I’d much rather the latter over playing hot potato.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

All things considered, it's been a great weekend so far....

Carlton win
Storm win
* lose

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not enough love for Charlie’s mark in the last quarter. Two players on him and on the boundary and plucks a one handed from no where, I assumed it had gone over the line..

Looked like it fell in his lap more than anything. Good judgement to keep his eye on the ball and mark with those bodies in front of him though.

 

[Robertio]

Looked like it fell in his lap more than anything. Good judgement to keep his eye on the ball and mark with those bodies in front of him though.

I was jumping up and down wanting to know why O'Brien kicked it into the pocket, and then it became a pin point pass.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I was jumping up and down wanting to know why O'Brien kicked it into the pocket, and then it became a pin point pass.

It was lucky. 2 on 1 and from behind, we got lucky. Will count as a goal assist for LOB when you look at the stats sheet, but not at the actual passage of play.

 

[Stamos]

I was jumping up and down wanting to know why O'Brien kicked it into the pocket, and then it became a pin point pass.

It was lucky. 2 on 1 and from behind, we got lucky. Will count as a goal assist for LOB when you look at the stats sheet, but not at the actual passage of play.

SOS kicked it to Charlie

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

SOS kicked it to Charlie

Ah, there you go. I didn't know who kicked it so went with what I was told. Love Jack but that was a low percentage kick.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

The most undeserving win.

Sorry. Call me negative all you like. But I am not impressed at all.

Last week's win was satisfying. This one wasn't.

A win is a win. The main thing is that we banked the four points. Hopefully we'll see a more polished performance against the Roos next week though.

We've still yet to develop that sense of ruthlessness/killer instinct to really put a team to the sword imo.

 

[GoBlues!]

Ah, there you go. I didn't know who kicked it so went with what I was told. Love Jack but that was a low percentage kick.

Not really low percentage at that stage of the game, JSOS would’ve hoped for a mark or over the boundary line for a throw in deep in our forward line. This would have given our forwards a chance to reset and create further stoppages.

The low percentage kick would’ve been to kick it more centrally - turn the ball over and watch GWS run it out of their defence to create a scoring opportunity.

 

[GinTonic]

with all rules, there needs to be a line - with dissent, what exactly is a swear word? cricket has chalk lines and cameras to adjudicate whether they are crossed or not - the umpire as usual in afl gets the pressure heaped on him/her by having to make objective decisions with things like whether players have deliberately worked the ball out of bounds or have tackled high - it's putting the responsibility on the adjudicator which gives the player an out and draws screams of protest because a rule that was brought in recently has actually been used..........

This is what the AFL needs to make clear, its definition of dissent. I don't believe any rational person would construe Coniglio’s actions of arms out and asking for clarification of why a free kick wasn’t paid as threatening or abusive to an umpire.

Interestingly, the word 'dissent' isn't mentioned in the 2023 edition of 'Laws of Australian Football'. Based on the general definition of the word, the free kick was incorrectly awarded as Coniglio technically didn’t disagree with the decision i.e. 'that was holding the ball'. He simply asked why it wasn’t, to which the umpire could’ve simply said 'the ball was knocked out' or 'he handballed' etc.

I find the current interpretation and execution of the dissent rule very confusing.

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

If yo

Except when he was the best teenager in the AFL Emerging gem: Zac Fisher is the top AFL teenager — and already matching it with Blues’ leaders

u have to go that far back then there is the problem. Last great game was he snared 4 goals in the west many many years ago

 

[thylacine60]

This is what the AFL needs to make clear, its definition of dissent. I don't believe any rational person would construe Coniglio’s actions of arms out and asking for clarification of why a free kick wasn’t paid as threatening or abusive to an umpire.

Interestingly, the word 'dissent' isn't mentioned in the 2023 edition of 'Laws of Australian Football'. Based on the general definition of the word, the free kick was incorrectly awarded as Coniglio technically didn’t disagree with the decision i.e. 'that was holding the ball'. He simply asked why it wasn’t, to which the umpire could’ve simply said 'the ball was knocked out' or 'he handballed' etc.

I find the current interpretation and execution of the dissent rule very confusing.

it doesn't matter what the wording is though - we know the head high rule, everyone does - does that stop the cries of "that wasn't high?" "that was soft!" wouldn't have thought so - there is a weird other-worldly type thinking among supporters that one day it will all be ok - it won't - the proof being I have personally experienced the same complaints for 50 years and it goes back much further - concentrate on what you can control - like not abusing umps for a kickoff.....

 

[thylacine60]

err no, only got home for the last Qtr. Eating a massive slice of humble pie now arent I ...

at least you're putting your hand up.......

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The issue with Fish is he doesn't have a dominant position. He's nominally a high half forward who goes on ball now and then. A floating small if you like.

He scores half a goal per game so doesn't stack up with the small forwards. He averages 16 disposals per game so doesn't stack up against on ballers. He gets 2 marks per game and has 4 contested marks in his career thus far, so he doesn't stack up against outside midfielders/wingers.

He's around 2 and a half tackles per game so he doesn't stack up against defensive half forwards or run with players. He has 1 Brownlow vote in his whole career so he doesn't dominant games. He averages less than 1 one percenter per game so he's not a team orientated player. He just slips into the cracks.

Mind you, I advocated for Fisher to be taken with our second selection in his draft year. He and Nic Newman

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Nic Newman

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.3

5star

MG

400.8

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

MG

157.0

3star

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.6

5star

MG

387.8

5star

are probably the best (maybe only) calls I have made in advance as a supporter. So it's not like I have an agenda where Fish is concerned. I just feel that the occasional good game, where someone might call out all of the Fisher critics, don't necessariy negate those where he's not performing.

Right now though, we have nobody to replace him. Perhaps Binns is the best 'like for like' option in time, despite Binns being more of a winger.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This is what the AFL needs to make clear, its definition of dissent. I don't believe any rational person would construe Coniglio’s actions of arms out and asking for clarification of why a free kick wasn’t paid as threatening or abusive to an umpire.

Interestingly, the word 'dissent' isn't mentioned in the 2023 edition of 'Laws of Australian Football'. Based on the general definition of the word, the free kick was incorrectly awarded as Coniglio technically didn’t disagree with the decision i.e. 'that was holding the ball'. He simply asked why it wasn’t, to which the umpire could’ve simply said 'the ball was knocked out' or 'he handballed' etc.

I find the current interpretation and execution of the dissent rule very confusing.

I think the AFL have made it clear. Dissent is disagreeing with an umpire's decision in a demonstrative fashion. Arms out is demonstrative. What you phrase as 'asking for clarification', was clearly disagreeing with an umpiring decision after the decision has been made. I don't feel like the umpire had any choice there. If Coniglio didn't have the arms out and simply asked if that was illegal disposal by McKay, it would have passed. It wasn't though, he demanded the umpire explain himself.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Very impressive games from youngsters Mots who was outstanding and Hollands who plays like he already has 30 games under his belt, both these two talented kids look to have enormous futures, Durdin is a ripper & Cowan very promising too…

Acres has been an incredible pickup for the club already, both games the past two weeks have been first class, having both wings positions in Acres & Hollands doing exceptionally well has made an enormous difference…

The bad kicking for goal continues to be harming our chances of having the game under better control, also enables you to put sides away at times when really dominating with so many shots on the scoreboard…

The ease in which they transitioned the ball so quickly and cleanly was not a great look, out positioned and in no man’s land we were made to look at times very dysfunctional defensively which was disappointing…

Just happy we got the 4 points…
Go Baggers…

 

[Jeremias]

+ 4

Not the performance we were after but ultimately it’s the result that matters.

Poor in front of goals, but strong enough to ensure it didn’t cost us.

Encouraged by the fight shown to regain the lead and hold off a challenge in the 4th.

Lots to work on but 3 rounds in we are undefeated. Important we don’t forget that in the wash up.

Great platform.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not really low percentage at that stage of the game, JSOS would’ve hoped for a mark or over the boundary line for a throw in deep in our forward line. This would have given our forwards a chance to reset and create further stoppages.

The low percentage kick would’ve been to kick it more centrally - turn the ball over and watch GWS run it out of their defence to create a scoring opportunity.

I'd have to see what the other options were at the time. You're assuming any other option would have been a turnover in order to justify kicking to a two on one.