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I'm no stranger to controversy, been involved in local footy for over 40 yrs so i think I have a good understanding of where the league is, where it was and what its future should look like, if people bury egos and have footy in the region as there priority, and not concentrate on protecting there little empires, then I think the league has a chance of survival. But lets be honest, the vultures are circling the carcass that was the once the mighty RDNFL.

So lets break it down to a few simple facts.

Years ago the clubs in the RDFL were power houses, if an RDFL club took on any other club from the surrounding leagues we more than held our own, if fact we lead the way with recruitment and junior development. Unfortunately we never set the world on fire in Interleague as the problems of the today are the same of yesteryear , the best players do not want to play. To be honest the clubs got so powerful that neighbouring leagues (Bendigo, Ballarat and Essendon) saw what we had to offer and dangled the carrot in front of our big clubs and enticed them away. And apart from Melton South, all the clubs that left have won Premierships in there new leagues and to this day are powerhouses in there new leagues. So why did they leave......Opportunity? ......Better Competition?....Better Sponsorship?......they maybe some of the reasons, but the real reason they left was due to poor management from a league level. Poor Management took many forms and its a debate that has been debated many times so I wont go to deep here.

So here we are 20 yrs later and has the problems changed? Simple answer is No. We have sold our soul to Big Brother( AFL Goldfields).....who promised us the world but have delivered nothing, except high fees, poor representation at our local level and an uneven competition where clubs now want out...and who could blame them. Gee this sounds like the same story we had 20 yrs ago. In AFL Goldfields eyes we run a distant last compared to its other comps it manages, in fact all but the major league(Ballarat FL) have clubs that are struggling and uneven competitions. Has anyone seen league reps at a game? Or even more the men who walk on water from Ballarat at our games to see for themselves whats happening down here? So poor Management has created this mess again.....good to see our fees going to work to make local football better in Ballarat.

So whats the answer......is it Diggers and Rupo and Romsey joining Essendon next year, what about poor Rockbank....is the Western Region the answer for them?
I dont think so.... we have one last chance to save this league (AFL Victoria does) but unless we make noise now we will loose this comp forever, because once clubs leave they never come back. So I dont apologise for the ideas I am about to throw up, but we do need clubs to start talking and making noise. So here goes.....
Club Viability
To even out the comp AFL Victoria need to play hard ball with clubs and leagues, force mergers, and realign boundaries and entice clubs to make radical business decisions for the benefit of the game ( like they promised in the toothless review)
Lets start with our own comp......If you cannot field 3 teams as per the rules of the league your club is not viable? Hard to do they say? Lets looks at the Reserves.....struggling for numbers...why...Club Footy and Masters. Thats where all the 30 yo players are....Masters footy and Club footy are thriving, but most of them dont come under our clubs structure, they are independent. So why dont we throw out the idea of getting clubs to invest in the formation of a Reserves Comp that actually is the Super rules team or the Club Team.....brings back the older players to the clubs and older players drink beer and have business to inject funds into the clubs? Just an Idea. If you cannot field 3 teams you are in direct conflict of the rules and there fore cannot play....hate to say it and I know clubs work there arse of to get numbers, but its got to hard and players have to many other choices.
Years ago we never played U18s in the Reserves due to the roughness of that level of footy, but today its so much tamer at that level, so what about the idea of the reserves being a 50/50 mix of Under 19 and Reserves players, and those who miss out on a game with there own club play in sides who are short...once again just another idea.
So lets look at clubs individually and this is where it gets hard and people will get the s**ts with my commments
Mergers and why?
Lancefield and Romsey....... we all know Romsey owe the league alot of money, we all know that Lancefield are hanging on..just. so with just 10 or so KM between the towns ..bury the egos, do whats best for footy and merge...like you did yrs ago with the juniors. they would become a powerhouse.
Woodend and Macedon....Sorry Woodend but you are the closest club...Macedon have no 3rds....struggle for numbers in the twos, and have a strong senior team, these 2 together, who I know have hated each other for years would be a super powerful club lets call the Macedon Ranges for the exercise. the reason Macedon should look at it, is the facilities are poor (change rooms) and they dont meet the criteria of fielding 3 teams and they have a history... they did fold once before'
Unfortunately... Broadford belong in the new Northern League
Melton South want in....so lets welcome them back
Kyneton are in trouble and would fit this league beautifully.....lets welcome them
Rockbank need to cross the hwy and merge with one of the new estates teams and as a new identity start again.
Melton Centrals to change there name to Arnolds Creek to better represent its locality in the community and a name change would make sponsorship more appealing as there are alot of footy clubs with the name Melton in it
Time for us to look at CHFL....Ballan and even Gordon comming over to our new look league
So heres what it might look like...

Kyneton
Woodend/ Macedon (Macedon Ranges)
Romsey/Lancefield
Wallan
Rupo
Diggers
Riddell
Arnolds Creek (Melton Centrals)
Melton South
Rockbank/Plumpton...or similar
Ballan
Gordon


I know this will upset people, but we need to start talking, looking for solutions. We cannot continue as we are, but if we make noise and get AFL Goldfields to listen and the RDNFL board of there arse and start talking to clubs then we are doomed. Change is hard, and History is the past....please look forward, save our comp. People are talking and the war drums are starting to beat loud....... its gaining momentum...people are starting to put there hands up and ask questions of the management......its just the start. Happy to accept the bullets here but these are ideas and we have to start somewhere
romsey and lancefield, woodend and Macedon will never merge and IMO nor should they.
Agree with you that clubs need to start making noise to save the Comp because it is in massive trouble. We all know goldfields have their own agenda and the rdfnl are right at the bottom of that and the rdfnl board are extremely good at sitting on their hands and making poor decisions. Change needs to happen, unfortunately can’t see it happening
 
romsey and lancefield, woodend and Macedon will never merge and IMO nor should they.
Agree with you that clubs need to start making noise to save the Comp because it is in massive trouble. We all know goldfields have their own agenda and the rdfnl are right at the bottom of that and the rdfnl board are extremely good at sitting on their hands and making poor decisions. Change needs to happen, unfortunately can’t see it happening
Omho so remember we all have opinions, Clubs won’t have to merge, 2 clubs will move next year. 1 top six and 1 bottom club. Another will feel the strain and go into recess I would think. It will be a matter of whether the RDFL can get other clubs to join.
 
Omho so remember we all have opinions, Clubs won’t have to merge, 2 clubs will move next year. 1 top six and 1 bottom club. Another will feel the strain and go into recess I would think. It will be a matter of whether the RDFL can get other clubs to join.
Who is the top 6 club that is moving Humphrey?
 

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I'm no stranger to controversy, been involved in local footy for over 40 yrs so i think I have a good understanding of where the league is, where it was and what its future should look like, if people bury egos and have footy in the region as there priority, and not concentrate on protecting there little empires, then I think the league has a chance of survival. But lets be honest, the vultures are circling the carcass that was the once the mighty RDNFL.

So lets break it down to a few simple facts.

Years ago the clubs in the RDFL were power houses, if an RDFL club took on any other club from the surrounding leagues we more than held our own, if fact we lead the way with recruitment and junior development. Unfortunately we never set the world on fire in Interleague as the problems of the today are the same of yesteryear , the best players do not want to play. To be honest the clubs got so powerful that neighbouring leagues (Bendigo, Ballarat and Essendon) saw what we had to offer and dangled the carrot in front of our big clubs and enticed them away. And apart from Melton South, all the clubs that left have won Premierships in there new leagues and to this day are powerhouses in there new leagues. So why did they leave......Opportunity? ......Better Competition?....Better Sponsorship?......they maybe some of the reasons, but the real reason they left was due to poor management from a league level. Poor Management took many forms and its a debate that has been debated many times so I wont go to deep here.

So here we are 20 yrs later and has the problems changed? Simple answer is No. We have sold our soul to Big Brother( AFL Goldfields).....who promised us the world but have delivered nothing, except high fees, poor representation at our local level and an uneven competition where clubs now want out...and who could blame them. Gee this sounds like the same story we had 20 yrs ago. In AFL Goldfields eyes we run a distant last compared to its other comps it manages, in fact all but the major league(Ballarat FL) have clubs that are struggling and uneven competitions. Has anyone seen league reps at a game? Or even more the men who walk on water from Ballarat at our games to see for themselves whats happening down here? So poor Management has created this mess again.....good to see our fees going to work to make local football better in Ballarat.

So whats the answer......is it Diggers and Rupo and Romsey joining Essendon next year, what about poor Rockbank....is the Western Region the answer for them?
I dont think so.... we have one last chance to save this league (AFL Victoria does) but unless we make noise now we will loose this comp forever, because once clubs leave they never come back. So I dont apologise for the ideas I am about to throw up, but we do need clubs to start talking and making noise. So here goes.....
Club Viability
To even out the comp AFL Victoria need to play hard ball with clubs and leagues, force mergers, and realign boundaries and entice clubs to make radical business decisions for the benefit of the game ( like they promised in the toothless review)
Lets start with our own comp......If you cannot field 3 teams as per the rules of the league your club is not viable? Hard to do they say? Lets looks at the Reserves.....struggling for numbers...why...Club Footy and Masters. Thats where all the 30 yo players are....Masters footy and Club footy are thriving, but most of them dont come under our clubs structure, they are independent. So why dont we throw out the idea of getting clubs to invest in the formation of a Reserves Comp that actually is the Super rules team or the Club Team.....brings back the older players to the clubs and older players drink beer and have business to inject funds into the clubs? Just an Idea. If you cannot field 3 teams you are in direct conflict of the rules and there fore cannot play....hate to say it and I know clubs work there arse of to get numbers, but its got to hard and players have to many other choices.
Years ago we never played U18s in the Reserves due to the roughness of that level of footy, but today its so much tamer at that level, so what about the idea of the reserves being a 50/50 mix of Under 19 and Reserves players, and those who miss out on a game with there own club play in sides who are short...once again just another idea.
So lets look at clubs individually and this is where it gets hard and people will get the s**ts with my commments
Mergers and why?
Lancefield and Romsey....... we all know Romsey owe the league alot of money, we all know that Lancefield are hanging on..just. so with just 10 or so KM between the towns ..bury the egos, do whats best for footy and merge...like you did yrs ago with the juniors. they would become a powerhouse.
Woodend and Macedon....Sorry Woodend but you are the closest club...Macedon have no 3rds....struggle for numbers in the twos, and have a strong senior team, these 2 together, who I know have hated each other for years would be a super powerful club lets call the Macedon Ranges for the exercise. the reason Macedon should look at it, is the facilities are poor (change rooms) and they dont meet the criteria of fielding 3 teams and they have a history... they did fold once before'
Unfortunately... Broadford belong in the new Northern League
Melton South want in....so lets welcome them back
Kyneton are in trouble and would fit this league beautifully.....lets welcome them
Rockbank need to cross the hwy and merge with one of the new estates teams and as a new identity start again.
Melton Centrals to change there name to Arnolds Creek to better represent its locality in the community and a name change would make sponsorship more appealing as there are alot of footy clubs with the name Melton in it
Time for us to look at CHFL....Ballan and even Gordon comming over to our new look league
So heres what it might look like...

Kyneton
Woodend/ Macedon (Macedon Ranges)
Romsey/Lancefield
Wallan
Rupo
Diggers
Riddell
Arnolds Creek (Melton Centrals)
Melton South
Rockbank/Plumpton...or similar
Ballan
Gordon


I know this will upset people, but we need to start talking, looking for solutions. We cannot continue as we are, but if we make noise and get AFL Goldfields to listen and the RDNFL board of there arse and start talking to clubs then we are doomed. Change is hard, and History is the past....please look forward, save our comp. People are talking and the war drums are starting to beat loud....... its gaining momentum...people are starting to put there hands up and ask questions of the management......its just the start. Happy to accept the bullets here but these are ideas and we have to start somewhere
Nothing new there this has been discussed over the last 3 years with nothing ever done the clubs and executive of the RDFL have no idea the comp is doomed due to to many Egos and a board that enjoy the perks as long as there is no hard yaka
 
Facts only one team looking to move next year to another league if the comp gets up with two divisions and two teams looking to join in the next two years . One next year and the other the year after. All the club presidents know about these talks.
 
Facts only one team looking to move next year to another league if the comp gets up with two divisions and two teams looking to join in the next two years . One next year and the other the year after. All the club presidents know about these talks.
Surely it’s more productive to spread gossip and promote unlikely doomsday scenarios than bring facts into this?
 
Nothing new there this has been discussed over the last 3 years with nothing ever done the clubs and executive of the RDFL have no idea the comp is doomed due to to many Egos and a board that enjoy the perks as long as there is no hard yaka
Why couldn’t a business model like the CHFL work in the RDFL ? In that you have 2 full time staff members running the league. The clubs paid over 300k for fees last year. Surely there has to be a cheaper way forward.
 
Facts only one team looking to move next year to another league if the comp gets up with two divisions and two teams looking to join in the next two years . One next year and the other the year after. All the club presidents know about these talks.
Be interested to know how you know everything that’s going on.
And why you would think the league knows everything that’s going on I assume this is how the presidents found out.
One side leaving is possible, so is no sides and up three sides leaving.
Without doubt by 2021 there will be big changes if things continue as they do.
 
I'm no stranger to controversy, been involved in local footy for over 40 yrs so i think I have a good understanding of where the league is, where it was and what its future should look like, if people bury egos and have footy in the region as there priority, and not concentrate on protecting there little empires, then I think the league has a chance of survival. But lets be honest, the vultures are circling the carcass that was the once the mighty RDNFL.

So lets break it down to a few simple facts.

Years ago the clubs in the RDFL were power houses, if an RDFL club took on any other club from the surrounding leagues we more than held our own, if fact we lead the way with recruitment and junior development. Unfortunately we never set the world on fire in Interleague as the problems of the today are the same of yesteryear , the best players do not want to play. To be honest the clubs got so powerful that neighbouring leagues (Bendigo, Ballarat and Essendon) saw what we had to offer and dangled the carrot in front of our big clubs and enticed them away. And apart from Melton South, all the clubs that left have won Premierships in there new leagues and to this day are powerhouses in there new leagues. So why did they leave......Opportunity? ......Better Competition?....Better Sponsorship?......they maybe some of the reasons, but the real reason they left was due to poor management from a league level. Poor Management took many forms and its a debate that has been debated many times so I wont go to deep here.

So here we are 20 yrs later and has the problems changed? Simple answer is No. We have sold our soul to Big Brother( AFL Goldfields).....who promised us the world but have delivered nothing, except high fees, poor representation at our local level and an uneven competition where clubs now want out...and who could blame them. Gee this sounds like the same story we had 20 yrs ago. In AFL Goldfields eyes we run a distant last compared to its other comps it manages, in fact all but the major league(Ballarat FL) have clubs that are struggling and uneven competitions. Has anyone seen league reps at a game? Or even more the men who walk on water from Ballarat at our games to see for themselves whats happening down here? So poor Management has created this mess again.....good to see our fees going to work to make local football better in Ballarat.

So whats the answer......is it Diggers and Rupo and Romsey joining Essendon next year, what about poor Rockbank....is the Western Region the answer for them?
I dont think so.... we have one last chance to save this league (AFL Victoria does) but unless we make noise now we will loose this comp forever, because once clubs leave they never come back. So I dont apologise for the ideas I am about to throw up, but we do need clubs to start talking and making noise. So here goes.....
Club Viability
To even out the comp AFL Victoria need to play hard ball with clubs and leagues, force mergers, and realign boundaries and entice clubs to make radical business decisions for the benefit of the game ( like they promised in the toothless review)
Lets start with our own comp......If you cannot field 3 teams as per the rules of the league your club is not viable? Hard to do they say? Lets looks at the Reserves.....struggling for numbers...why...Club Footy and Masters. Thats where all the 30 yo players are....Masters footy and Club footy are thriving, but most of them dont come under our clubs structure, they are independent. So why dont we throw out the idea of getting clubs to invest in the formation of a Reserves Comp that actually is the Super rules team or the Club Team.....brings back the older players to the clubs and older players drink beer and have business to inject funds into the clubs? Just an Idea. If you cannot field 3 teams you are in direct conflict of the rules and there fore cannot play....hate to say it and I know clubs work there arse of to get numbers, but its got to hard and players have to many other choices.
Years ago we never played U18s in the Reserves due to the roughness of that level of footy, but today its so much tamer at that level, so what about the idea of the reserves being a 50/50 mix of Under 19 and Reserves players, and those who miss out on a game with there own club play in sides who are short...once again just another idea.
So lets look at clubs individually and this is where it gets hard and people will get the s**ts with my commments
Mergers and why?
Lancefield and Romsey....... we all know Romsey owe the league alot of money, we all know that Lancefield are hanging on..just. so with just 10 or so KM between the towns ..bury the egos, do whats best for footy and merge...like you did yrs ago with the juniors. they would become a powerhouse.
Woodend and Macedon....Sorry Woodend but you are the closest club...Macedon have no 3rds....struggle for numbers in the twos, and have a strong senior team, these 2 together, who I know have hated each other for years would be a super powerful club lets call the Macedon Ranges for the exercise. the reason Macedon should look at it, is the facilities are poor (change rooms) and they dont meet the criteria of fielding 3 teams and they have a history... they did fold once before'
Unfortunately... Broadford belong in the new Northern League
Melton South want in....so lets welcome them back
Kyneton are in trouble and would fit this league beautifully.....lets welcome them
Rockbank need to cross the hwy and merge with one of the new estates teams and as a new identity start again.
Melton Centrals to change there name to Arnolds Creek to better represent its locality in the community and a name change would make sponsorship more appealing as there are alot of footy clubs with the name Melton in it
Time for us to look at CHFL....Ballan and even Gordon comming over to our new look league
So heres what it might look like...

Kyneton
Woodend/ Macedon (Macedon Ranges)
Romsey/Lancefield
Wallan
Rupo
Diggers
Riddell
Arnolds Creek (Melton Centrals)
Melton South
Rockbank/Plumpton...or similar
Ballan
Gordon


I know this will upset people, but we need to start talking, looking for solutions. We cannot continue as we are, but if we make noise and get AFL Goldfields to listen and the RDNFL board of there arse and start talking to clubs then we are doomed. Change is hard, and History is the past....please look forward, save our comp. People are talking and the war drums are starting to beat loud....... its gaining momentum...people are starting to put there hands up and ask questions of the management......its just the start. Happy to accept the bullets here but these are ideas and we have to start somewhere
Some good work there Smokey & worth exploring. I will correct you as sometimes they do come back, Wallan did this in 2008 after being belted in the Northern League, made finals in 2009. Great decision by the Wallan board at the time & look at them now. I don't believe Romsey are going that bad financially, sure they may owe fees, but they are a community strong enough to survive financially. I can tell you that Melton South DO NOT WANT TO RETURN TO THE RDFL (fact) The Western Rams would be the go there but their running out of time. I like the work you have put in here Smokey, some good arguments to come out of it, should be no bullets!
 
Love this discussion and hopefully the AFL Goldfields and RDFNL Board read these pages and take action now. We need to consider the future for at least 10 years not just year by year, the current state of clubs and supporters wondering what is going on must stop. It is no good for the competition or individual clubs.
About a year ago somebody on Big Footy Cenntral Highlands drew up possible league re structures whereby they finished with 2 x 10 team comps and
1 x 11 team, the perfect structure for all our clubs would be 10 team comps where everybody plays everybody twice over 18 weeks.
AFL Goldfields currently manger 53 clubs and I can see at least 2 moving on, one into recess or another comp and another definitely into another comp.
I have compiled a list of RDFL and BFL clubs showing the sides currently taking the field, it shows that a few clubs will have problems coming up within 10 years, AFL Goldfields and the Board have a responsibility to work with these clubs to find the right competition for them into the future not just next season.
It is now unacceptable that the Club Presidents and Board are aware of discussions, it must be made public for the sake of every club within the Goldfields region.
Current sides RDFNL
Riddell Seniors Reserves Under 19 Under 17 Under 15
Romsey Seniors Reserves Under 17 Under 15
Diggers Rest Seniors Reserves Under 19 Under 17 Under 15
Rupertswood Seniors Reserves Unde 19 Under 16 3 x Under 15
Wallan Seniors Reserves Under19 Under 16 Under 14
Macedon Seniors Reserves Under 17 Under 15
Woodend Seniors Reserves Under 19 Under 15
Centrals Seniors Reserves Under 19 Under 17 Under 15
Lancefield Seniors Reserves Under 19 Under 17 Under 15
Broadford Seniors Reserves Under 16 Under 14
Rockbank Seniors Reserves

BFL
East Point Seniors Reserves Under 19 Under 17 2 x Under 15
Darley Seniors Reserves Under 19 2 x Under 17 2 x Under 15
Sebastapol Seniors Reserves Under19 Under 17 2 x Under 15
Sunbury Seniors Resrves Under 19 2 x Under 17 2 x Under 15
Redan Seniors Reserves Under 19 2 x Undr 17 2 x Under 15
Melton Seniors Reserves Under 19 Under 17 2 x Under 15
North Ballarat Seniors Reserves Under 19 2 x Under 17 2 x Under 15
Bacchus marsh Seniors Reserves Under 19 2 x Under 17 2 x Under 15
Lake Wendouree Seniors Reserves Under 19 2 x Under 17 2 x Under 15
Ballarat Seniors Reserves Under 19 2 x Under 17 2 x Under 15
Melton South Seniors Reserves Undeer 19 Under 17 Under 15

By comparison the CHFL have 17 clubs playing seniors, Reserves, Under 18(all but Skipton) and Under 15
MCDFL have 14 clubs playing Seniors reserves Under 17.5 9 clubs and Under 14.5 10 clubs with every club having Under 11.

From these charts we can see that not every club in the region could compete on an equal basis with all the other clubs, so despite my original thoughts being that Goldfields need to restructure all the competitions we simply need to
Set up MCDFL and CHFL along the lines detailed on CHFL big footy.
Transfer Melton South out of BFL into RDFNL
Allow Broadford to move to a better structure competition in their own regions, they really need the old Waranga North East to be generated.
Work with Rockbank to merge with another club and join the WRFL or they will fold.
This gives us 2 x 10 team competitions all with the potential of fielding every age group within 2 years and long into the future.

We also need to find 5 people with open minds to work with all clubs to see that this or something similar happens quickly before we lose clubs to other competitions, I cannot see Diggers or anybody else going anywhere unless they are forced to by nothing happening within our regions.

Looking forward to further constructive discussions.
 

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The discussion and options thrown up are terrific. All have plausible reasoning. It is very hard trying to summarise your thoughts entirely in a post so to those guys with the detailed workings great job. Whilst you never want to stay in the past, there is merit in using the past to guide future decisions. The RDFL fell over with the 2 division structure 20 year ago, is there any concern that could happen again?. Back then the existing RDFL clubs could not compete with Melton South, Darley, Sunbury, Gisborne or Melton. In regards to Melton South, its population is ten times the size of 20 years ago, and there is only 1 extra club, can towns like Riddell, Romsey, Macedon, Diggers actually compete with them if they were to come back. They are an ordinary club and told with ordinary culture, there talent I would not assume would be a top team straight away, but if they get it right what is the impact on Melton Centrals?? Wow what is your thoughts on a Melton South return from a centrals perspective. It seems inevitable that Melton South is coming back, that Rockbank is gone and Broadford will exit, so 2 down 1 in. In terms of footy in the future, thinking long term is vital and I like the idea of you field a senior reserve and under 18 team or your out. Don't make netball compulsory, I think by it not being compulsory it will still flourish but let females choose between footy and netball with the footy growth. This though needs to flow through from the juniors so go back to under 18 football, change the juniors back to original age groups and fix the junior structure to be 2 divisions, a and b for top age and bottom age kids. Get rid of this three division rubbish with teams playing all over the place. Get the junior clubs united and passionate again so the flow on in the future converts juniors to senior clubs. If only Kilmore were still around I reckon, they are perfectly located. Target Kyneton food for thought.
 
The discussion and options thrown up are terrific. All have plausible reasoning. It is very hard trying to summarise your thoughts entirely in a post so to those guys with the detailed workings great job. Whilst you never want to stay in the past, there is merit in using the past to guide future decisions. The RDFL fell over with the 2 division structure 20 year ago, is there any concern that could happen again?. Back then the existing RDFL clubs could not compete with Melton South, Darley, Sunbury, Gisborne or Melton. In regards to Melton South, its population is ten times the size of 20 years ago, and there is only 1 extra club, can towns like Riddell, Romsey, Macedon, Diggers actually compete with them if they were to come back. They are an ordinary club and told with ordinary culture, there talent I would not assume would be a top team straight away, but if they get it right what is the impact on Melton Centrals?? Wow what is your thoughts on a Melton South return from a centrals perspective. It seems inevitable that Melton South is coming back, that Rockbank is gone and Broadford will exit, so 2 down 1 in. In terms of footy in the future, thinking long term is vital and I like the idea of you field a senior reserve and under 18 team or your out. Don't make netball compulsory, I think by it not being compulsory it will still flourish but let females choose between footy and netball with the footy growth. This though needs to flow through from the juniors so go back to under 18 football, change the juniors back to original age groups and fix the junior structure to be 2 divisions, a and b for top age and bottom age kids. Get rid of this three division rubbish with teams playing all over the place. Get the junior clubs united and passionate again so the flow on in the future converts juniors to senior clubs. If only Kilmore were still around I reckon, they are perfectly located. Target Kyneton food for thought.

Well said mate 👍
 
The discussion and options thrown up are terrific. All have plausible reasoning. It is very hard trying to summarise your thoughts entirely in a post so to those guys with the detailed workings great job. Whilst you never want to stay in the past, there is merit in using the past to guide future decisions. The RDFL fell over with the 2 division structure 20 year ago, is there any concern that could happen again?. Back then the existing RDFL clubs could not compete with Melton South, Darley, Sunbury, Gisborne or Melton. In regards to Melton South, its population is ten times the size of 20 years ago, and there is only 1 extra club, can towns like Riddell, Romsey, Macedon, Diggers actually compete with them if they were to come back. They are an ordinary club and told with ordinary culture, there talent I would not assume would be a top team straight away, but if they get it right what is the impact on Melton Centrals?? Wow what is your thoughts on a Melton South return from a centrals perspective. It seems inevitable that Melton South is coming back, that Rockbank is gone and Broadford will exit, so 2 down 1 in. In terms of footy in the future, thinking long term is vital and I like the idea of you field a senior reserve and under 18 team or your out. Don't make netball compulsory, I think by it not being compulsory it will still flourish but let females choose between footy and netball with the footy growth. This though needs to flow through from the juniors so go back to under 18 football, change the juniors back to original age groups and fix the junior structure to be 2 divisions, a and b for top age and bottom age kids. Get rid of this three division rubbish with teams playing all over the place. Get the junior clubs united and passionate again so the flow on in the future converts juniors to senior clubs. If only Kilmore were still around I reckon, they are perfectly located. Target Kyneton food for thought.
Agree with you on the Kilmore topic. I believe if they ever win a flag in the Northern League, they will struggle to compete once promoted. They would be a good fit back in the RDFL, however the Kilmore people would probably disagree. Melton South believe they are above the RDFL.
 
Agree with you on the Kilmore topic. I believe if they ever win a flag in the Northern League, they will struggle to compete once promoted. They would be a good fit back in the RDFL, however the Kilmore people would probably disagree. Melton South believe they are above the RDFL.

I’m also lead to believe Kyneton are of the same opinion as Melton south sly, both would be a great fit for the rdfnl.
 
I’m also lead to believe Kyneton are of the same opinion as Melton south sly, both would be a great fit for the rdfnl.
I’m also lead to believe Kyneton are of the same opinion as Melton south sly, both would be a great fit for the rdfnl.
You need plenty of $$$ to play finals in the BFL, or have a very good junior program, South has neither. South are also in an industrial area compared to Centrals who are in a growth area. Their are some good people at South, you only need one idiot to bring the culture down, so I don't believe their is a culture problem there, as its very difficult to control everyone who walks in the joint. If South crossed over to the league they were born in, they would be very competitive & it would rejuvenate the club as a whole, however the people who are in charge atm, do not want to come across. In my opinion & my opinion only, If they stay put in the BFL, Centrals will become the number two club in Melton, purely because you don't need as many $$$, so they will have success before South & everyone wants to know & be apart of a winning team, that includes sponsors & you can only go to the well, so many times.
 
The discussion and options thrown up are terrific. All have plausible reasoning. It is very hard trying to summarise your thoughts entirely in a post so to those guys with the detailed workings great job. Whilst you never want to stay in the past, there is merit in using the past to guide future decisions. The RDFL fell over with the 2 division structure 20 year ago, is there any concern that could happen again?. Back then the existing RDFL clubs could not compete with Melton South, Darley, Sunbury, Gisborne or Melton. In regards to Melton South, its population is ten times the size of 20 years ago, and there is only 1 extra club, can towns like Riddell, Romsey, Macedon, Diggers actually compete with them if they were to come back. They are an ordinary club and told with ordinary culture, there talent I would not assume would be a top team straight away, but if they get it right what is the impact on Melton Centrals?? Wow what is your thoughts on a Melton South return from a centrals perspective. It seems inevitable that Melton South is coming back, that Rockbank is gone and Broadford will exit, so 2 down 1 in. In terms of footy in the future, thinking long term is vital and I like the idea of you field a senior reserve and under 18 team or your out. Don't make netball compulsory, I think by it not being compulsory it will still flourish but let females choose between footy and netball with the footy growth. This though needs to flow through from the juniors so go back to under 18 football, change the juniors back to original age groups and fix the junior structure to be 2 divisions, a and b for top age and bottom age kids. Get rid of this three division rubbish with teams playing all over the place. Get the junior clubs united and passionate again so the flow on in the future converts juniors to senior clubs. If only Kilmore were still around I reckon, they are perfectly located. Target Kyneton food for thought.
I personally don’t see any problem with South crossing over to the RDFL, to me given their recent history it seems like a smart option. Unfortunately as Slyone eluded to there is a huge ingrained belief at South that they are too good for the RDFL which was understandable during the early to mid 2000’s but maybe isn’t the case now, ironically Centrals current coach was leading South during arguably their most successful era but fell short of winning a flag. In more recent times I have had discussions with mates at South and I always say when the “too good for the RDFL” comments come up that maybe you shouldn’t hang your hat on the competition your in but judge it on your own results.

From a Centrals point of you it would be great to have a cross town rivalry but a part of me also thinks it would be disappointing to lose the history that Bloods v South has in the town.

Will also agree with Slyone re: culture, sometimes it only takes a couple of people behaving poorly or engaging in behaviour that other people don’t like to push the rumour mill into over drive, every club has had their moments. South is like all clubs, it is filled with great people who are doing the best for their club to be successful, some of them a great friends of mine..........but that won’t stop us trying to pinch their players......but that’s part of the fun of having 3 clubs in the same town.

You will find although there is a lot of “I hate South/Bloods/Centrals” talk around Melton a lot of local footy lovers don’t really wish the worst of their cross town rivals, I take no joy out of Souths struggles because I have mates there that I would like to see do well and whichever way they decide to go I wish them the best. Given the population of Melton the results should have been better over the years and would love nothing more than to see all clubs thriving and challenging for premierships.
 
Be interested to know how you know everything that’s going on.
And why you would think the league knows everything that’s going on I assume this is how the presidents found out.
One side leaving is possible, so is no sides and up three sides leaving.
Without doubt by 2021 there will be big changes if things continue as they do.

Its easy to find out just ask your club what is happening in the competition. Only one side possibly leaving at the end of year. South trying to get in next year and Kyneton the following year. I couple more sides might depart as well down to the EDFL after next year. So it might be wise to recruit a couple more clubs to the local competition like the ones that are asking to come in.
 
You need plenty of $$$ to play finals in the BFL, or have a very good junior program, South has neither. South are also in an industrial area compared to Centrals who are in a growth area. Their are some good people at South, you only need one idiot to bring the culture down, so I don't believe their is a culture problem there, as its very difficult to control everyone who walks in the joint. If South crossed over to the league they were born in, they would be very competitive & it would rejuvenate the club as a whole, however the people who are in charge atm, do not want to come across. In my opinion & my opinion only, If they stay put in the BFL, Centrals will become the number two club in Melton, purely because you don't need as many $$$, so they will have success before South & everyone wants to know & be apart of a winning team, that includes sponsors & you can only go to the well, so many times.

Melton South had plenty of $$$ in 2017/18 and blew it with some of the worst recruiting I’ve ever seen in local footy.
 
Why couldn’t a business model like the CHFL work in the RDFL ? In that you have 2 full time staff members running the league. The clubs paid over 300k for fees last year. Surely there has to be a cheaper way forward.
There is but the clubs are to busy surviving they pay there subs to have this shit sorted. The only way this can be done is for the clubs to hold a meeting presidents secretary treasurers and perhaps two delegates people from the clubs with business experience. Approach AFL vic and put forward a business model that is sustainable and ask for there support also approach a few other clubs Kyneton etc .Then formulate a plan call the Goldfields to a extraordinary general meeting Put forward that the clubs have decided to move and have a plans formulated to move forward.
In the process reduce salary cap and share gates from finals with all clubs and all other takings. Give clubs a clean sheet and insure that you have under 17.5 reserves and seniours and re install the reserve grade as no violence tolerated comp so the kids comming up can insure clean footy . The RDFNL can stand alone and have a viable business model with great sponsorship club fees and grants from the afl. RDFNL Could become a destination comp again.
 
Melton South had plenty of $$$ in 2017/18 and blew it with some of the worst recruiting I’ve ever seen in local footy.
Yeh they removed a very capable and proven coach to throw money at a very high profile replacement that r*ped and pillaged the club. Original coach could have dragged them off the bottom with the money that they waisted.
 
Now we are talking.....this is exactly what I wanted to happen...keep the ideas comming...it’s working. Noticed on Diggers Facebook page they as a club have made a comment re there future. Keep going..People are talking, clubs are listening, let’s hope the league finally gets of its arse and does something about it. How about the RDNFL board now come out and make a comment, show us the plan for the future.
 
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