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AFLW 2024 - Round 8 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
I noticed Wikipedia has both Rod Horrocks and John McCashney with a DOD of July 8 2023, but AustralianFootball.com and the Season Guide obituaries page have 8/8/2023 for Horrocks.
Looking at this on a spreadsheet I use, AF.com have a DOD for 496 Hawthorn players. The recently-departed John Elward hasn't been added.
This chap is on that Wiki list, but didn't play VFL/AFL football for Hawthorn (so I'm guessing he's not included in stemline 's tally):
There must be quite a few on the list you've produced who only played for Hawthorn (VFA), but presumably did play VFL football for another club. Gordon Munro (St Kilda) did that, as did Bill Walton (Collingwood).
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These 16 guys on that list didn't play VFL/AFL for Hawthorn
But that list is missing
Turnbull, Lindsay Wallace - DOD 22/11/2023
Which gets us back to a total of 500.
| Carkeek, Vernon |
| Gambetta, Billy |
| Gibb, Len |
| Gibb, Reg |
| Godfrey, Dick |
| Hurren, Frank |
| Lowell, Rupe |
| Marchbank, Bill |
| Marchbank, Jim |
| McCormick, John |
| Osborne, Bill |
| Phillips, Len |
| Rademacher, Arthur |
| Rudolph, George |
| Wade, Tommy |
| Walton, Bill |
But that list is missing
Turnbull, Lindsay Wallace - DOD 22/11/2023
Which gets us back to a total of 500.
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Thanks for that. Wikidata/Wikipedia should always just reflect the truth, not be the setter of it. The "member of sports team" parameter is able to differentiate by league, and/or time, but those qualifiers aren't often used, and the queries I use don't account for it, so the VFA vs VFL is always going to be an issue. SANFL vs AFL for Port is a much bigger problem.
I started to update Horrocks from July to August, then I found this that says July.
Do you have any references to an obituary or cemetery record for Turnbull?
That does make it look like the AFL has the wrong DOD, but was he really cremated more than a year after he died?!:
Surely they mean 12 July 2023 for the Date of service?!
Edit: I note the issue of the DOD in the Season Guide being incorrect was raised here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/recent-deaths.1186497/page-29#post-82333716
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Gordon Munro, who I mentioned earlier, is also on that Wiki list, but didn't play VFL/AFL for Hawthorn.
George Noonan as well.
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There is nothing I can see in Ryerson, it may be that he had no next of kin or was estranged from them, so they may have had to wait 12 months? Is that a thing?
Curiously, upon googling his full name, Martin Bryant was charged with attempting to murder a man by that same name. The court transcript mentions his wife. Anyone know if it was him?
Not sure! I think it's probably a mistake on the cemetery website. I couldn't find the Horrocks name on the list of 2024 services for the listed funeral directors.
That (possible Martin Bryant connection) got mentioned back on page 29 as well. It would be very surprising if it wasn't him! The Port Arthur chap did have a wife, at least, and this will be the marriage of the Hawthorn footballer:
That should be Lois Elsie Parker.
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Right yes...
And the list is missing Wally Nash (20/6/24) and the nefarious Alf Neeson.
No sorry, I probably got it from this...
Research - Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)
Harry is definitely still going!: Resource - List thread - Inaccuracy in official records He's Collingwood's oldest living player. He is actually Henry Charles Paynter. This is a wonderful listen with Harry being interviewed earlier this month on his life story...
www.bigfooty.com
There's also a DOD discrepancy with this chap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachlan_Cameron
AF.com has:
Plus:
His Wiki page has April 10 as well as mentioning April 11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Dickson
AF.com has:
Plus:
His Wiki page has April 10 as well as mentioning April 11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Dickson
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Someone did enter a DOD for Wally on his Wiki page a while back, but they didn't do a very good job:
It looks like he died at Warragul: https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/nash-walter-edward/6218555/
He was buried at Altona Memorial Park, according to this: https://www.nelsonbros.com.au/obituaries/Walter-Edward-Nash?obId=32109966#/obituaryInfo
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Neeson is on this list of people over 80 without a date of deaths. Some, obviously are still alive. Others, are not, but hard to find. Here are the Hawthorn over 90s:
| wd:Q19975141 | Arch Robinson (VFA) | 134 | 9 July 1890 |
| wd:Q20679321 | Alf Neeson | 110 | 15 June 1914 |
| wd:Q21176272 | Jack Taylor | 100 | 9 May 1924 |
| wd:Q6113807 | Jack MacDonald | 97 | 16 May 1927 |
| wd:Q21176187 | Barry Griffiths | 95 | 12 July 1929 |
| wd:Q21176255 | Jim Rattray | 95 | 22 August 1929 |
| wd:Q21598099 | Peter Charleston | 94 | 28 August 1930 |
| wd:Q21598244 | Brian Leary | 94 | 24 May 1930 |
| wd:Q21598382 | Lindsay Turnbull | 94 | 9 October 1930 |
| wd:Q18388160 | Dave Morgan | 94 | 29 September 1930 |
| wd:Q21598101 | Alf Chown | 92 | 28 April 1932 |
| wd:Q19662447 | John O'Mahony | 92 | 7 December 1931 |
| wd:Q19662058 | Norm Maginness | 91 | 29 April 1933 |
| wd:Q21598076 | George Barton | 90 | 23 August 1934 |
| wd:Q21598136 | Don Douglas | 90 | 7 October 1934 |
| wd:Q21598306 | Ian Pearson | 90 | 9 February 1934 |
| wd:Q21598416 | Keith White | 90 | 11 February 1934 |
