Autopsy Recruiting Philosophy

[LeatherPoison]

I'm not sure someone who got flogged by Gus at VFL level has the ability to even just compete. That's not merely uncompetative, that's ******* comatose.

would love to see footage of this game, i find it very hard to believe Graham would have flogged him

 

[Mr Magic]

So glad we passed on Dayle Garlett.

Richmond have always been to one to 'take the bait' and deal with these morons.

Great character to me means room for improvement. Ellis, Conca and Vlastuin will all improve because they're smart enough to push themselves not rely on talent.

I like what we're doing, drafting 12 Damien Hardwick clones to compliment our KPPs.

I would rookie Dayle, call me crazy but it is a position we really are looking for. Sounds like a nut case so if he flunks dump him but still worth a shot for nothing. Dayle can grow up new environment Mark W guidance or he can jump down the toilet, I would empower him to go one way or another, no loss for Richmond either way, and some people can change their outlook, I don't think he is a complete waste of time yet. risk reward and with low cost risk low, reward high, maybe unlikely but high

 

[LeatherPoison]

I'm not sure someone who got flogged by Gus at VFL level has the ability to even just compete. That's not merely uncompetative, that's ******* comatose.

So this is you're idea of being flogged

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/139734/default.aspx

According To Greg Mellor
Angus Graham
A serviceable performance. Had 21 hit-outs and 16 possessions, alternating between ruck and full-forward. Took some strong marks, but we are looking for him to convert more on the scoreboard.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/139664/default.aspx
According To Tarkyn Lockyer
19. Cameron Wood
Stats: 7 kicks, 6 handballs, 13 possessions, 2 marks, 21 hitouts
Battled against Andrew Browne and also Angus Graham for much of the day in the ruck.

 

[Mr Magic]

Would have prefered Menzel to V but we will be a very good player and a definite part of our midfield rotations ie Martin more forward, V more back, I like his reach, jump, Marking at top point, toughness uncompromising approach. V needs to become one percenter V at AFL level which is very acheivable with his lack of fear Should be good provided he doesn't do anything too stupid and knows his limitations unlike J Brown.

Having said that in next few years we need to find forwards and more mids. We definitely need Menzel types now. How smart was the Mcintosh pick.

Not sure about McDonough, lklike more pace and tricks but an upgrade, who knows maybe Chapman and at least step in right direction regarding foot skills and marking. We need a left sided small/medium forward though apart from Knights

 

[Mr Magic]

I think we need to abolish this notion of leadership at U18 level.

Frankly I think it is BS and massively overrated.

Sure include intelligence and behaviour , activities as part of the scrutiny but judging leadership from youth is utter stupidity. Eg. some of the young so-called leaders for mine are weak as leaders no doubt. Cotch should be a winner though

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I would rookie Dayle, call me crazy but it is a position we really are looking for. Sounds like a nut case so if he flunks dump him but still worth a shot for nothing. Dayle can grow up new environment Mark W guidance or he can jump down the toilet, I would empower him to go one way or another, no loss for Richmond either way, and some people can change their outlook, I don't think he is a complete waste of time yet. risk reward and with low cost risk low, reward high, maybe unlikely but high

FJ has already said No to Garlett at PSD or Rookie Draft.

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

I would rookie Dayle, call me crazy but it is a position we really are looking for. Sounds like a nut case so if he flunks dump him but still worth a shot for nothing. Dayle can grow up new environment Mark W guidance or he can jump down the toilet, I would empower him to go one way or another, no loss for Richmond either way, and some people can change their outlook, I don't think he is a complete waste of time yet. risk reward and with low cost risk low, reward high, maybe unlikely but high

Uhhhh, like if he messed up, cause issues we don't need internally, shine a bad light on the club, cost us members and sponsors.......

 

[Mr Magic]

Uhhhh, like if he messed up, cause issues we don't need internally, shine a bad light on the club, cost us members and sponsors.......

BS either Garlett becomes human or jumps off a cliff up to him, no collateral damage at all except might lose a few moos.

Life is about law of the jungle, don't pretend to think people give a toss!

politics are losing relevance as the governments and reg bodies are heading to default!

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

I think we need to abolish this notion of leadership at U18 level.

Frankly I think it is BS and massively overrated.

Sure include intelligence and behaviour , activities as part of the scrutiny but judging leadership from youth is utter stupidity. Eg. some of the young so-called leaders for mine are weak as leaders no doubt. Cotch should be a winner though

They are looking for those characteristics, so when the heat is on or the game is on the line, these guys will step up, do the hard things and lead by example.
Utter stupidity!?
Magic I really don't get your logic....EVER.
Care to name names to your pot shot?

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

BS either Garlett becomes human or jumps off a cliff up to him, no collateral damage at all except might lose a few moos.

Life is about law of the jungle, don't pretend to think people give a toss!

politics are losing relevance as the governments and reg bodies are heading to default!

I'll leave it at that because I don't understand you.

 

[Mr Magic]

They are looking for those characteristics, so when the heat is on or the game is on the line, these guys will step up, do the hard things and lead by example.
Utter stupidity!?
Magic I really don't get your logic....EVER.
Care to name names to your pot shot?

yeah , I wouldn't follow Selwood, not good enough

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

yeah , I wouldn't follow Selwood, not good enough

Wikipedia
During the final against St Kilda, Selwood addressed the playing group with a "stirring speech"[60] as Geelong entered the half–time break trailing by 6 points. Teammate Andrew Mackie lauded Selwood as "a born leader"[61] and credited the team's second half turnaround to Selwood's reminder to "go back to basics and focus upon tackling"
Man, do even the most basic, fundamental aspects of footy and how a club is run puzzle you?

 

[Mr Magic]

Wikipedia
During the final against St Kilda, Selwood addressed the playing group with a "stirring speech"[60] as Geelong entered the half–time break trailing by 6 points. Teammate Andrew Mackie lauded Selwood as "a born leader"[61] and credited the team's second half turnaround to Selwood's reminder to "go back to basics and focus upon tackling"
Man, do even the most basic, fundamental aspects of footy and how a club is run puzzle you?

BS , Geelong have the cattle.


How have Captains at same draft picks gone compared to the rest??? Any stats over the years??

 

[Mr Magic]

I'll leave it at that because I don't understand you.

Life is about survival of the fittest, if you want to smoke pot or get drunk you become road kill to be pushed aside.

Life gives you choices why let others play God who wish to moo???

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

BS , Geelong have the cattle.


How have Captains at same draft picks gone compared to the rest??? Any stats over the years??

Again, I can't reply because I don't understand you.

 

[_RT_]

BS either Garlett becomes human or jumps off a cliff up to him, no collateral damage at all except might lose a few moos.

Life is about law of the jungle, don't pretend to think people give a toss!

politics are losing relevance as the governments and reg bodies are heading to default!

Well we won't have to worry about losing your membership dollars now would we.

 

[Mr Magic]

Well we won't have to worry about losing your membership dollars now would we.

When you don't care you don't have to worry.

But when the freebies end you will have to start worrying, worrying about performing , winning and getting members seeking success, Which means for nothing you consider Garlett, you pick V because of height, one percenters, hardness, reach. marking kicking etc.. and toss the leadership crap, because if you don't you don't perform and no one wants you, no one wants to accommodate losers any more cause votes don't put bread on the table, success does!!

 

[Bojangles17]

i watched the draft with interest and after initially flying into a fit of rage on passing over Grundy i was somewhat comforted that clubs with more pressing ruck needs than us also saw fit to pass on him and then in the cool light of day it became pretty apparent that we were drafting on a needs basis rather than first fella in the queue.

I agree that dimma has a thing for hard nuts , he wants an overwhelming balance of Inside Mids to wage war on the opposition. MM addresses shortcomings in our front half that were exposed too often when we failed to cash in on a surplus of I50 entries. Sure they may not hit paydirt ea time, but im liking the way they are thinking

 

[Mr Magic]

i watched the draft with interest and after initially flying into a fit of rage on passing over Grundy i was somewhat comforted that clubs with more pressing ruck needs than us also saw fit to pass on him and then in the cool light of day it became pretty apparent that we were drafting on a needs basis rather than first fella in the queue.

I agree that dimma has a thing for hard nuts , he wants an overwhelming balance of Inside Mids to wage war on the opposition. MM addresses shortcomings in our front half that were exposed too often when we failed to cash in on a surplus of I50 entries. Sure they may not hit paydirt ea time, but im liking the way they are thinking

we are taking a punt on the forwards available to recruit in the next 5 years. we only have one forward A grader in JR potentially another if you include Martin and the rest is incredibly light.

Does Richmond have the weakest forward line in the AFL??? Just so grateful we got Knights, MM, and Edwards recently to save us from total embarrassment!!

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

I scoured the Inside Footy Draft guide searching for 187-189cm outside midfielders hoping the club would ad some run with either pick 31,33 or 42 . The club out did me with McIntosh . The bloke is 192 runs like a gazelle , can take a contested mark , can spoil and is a great kick off both feet. And the character of the boy. I was actually looking at Marsh the other Western Australian kid that ended up going to Sydney but I think we got the right one.

The other two Macs were great pick ups too. Vlaustin was a very solid pick for pick 9. Gone are the JON recruiting days. Thank Moo

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

we are taking a punt on the forwards available to recruit in the next 5 years. we only have one forward A grader in JR potentially another if you include Martin and the rest is incredibly light.

Does Richmond have the weakest forward line in the AFL??? Just so grateful we got Knights, MM, and Edwards recently to save us from total embarrassment!!

With a percentage over 100 for a side that didn,t make the finals,Can see why our fwd line is in trouble.

 

[jreesosb]

another thing i have noticed in the last couple of years, we are no longer drafting stick figures. our guys have big bodies for 18y/o as it's a base to build them up from in the future!
i don't get the negative stuff i have read re: Vlastuin at all, he has great leadership qualities & i see him as a replacement for Tuck in the future/upgrade on Jackson.

Yes I love the stronger bodies too. All the premiership sides are big and strong. (and fast and skilful! ) Geelong Hawthorn Collingwood. God even carlton and St Kilda have been bigger than us recently. I wonder how we'll stack up weight and height wise to the rest of the teams this year. Any internet savvy person feel like checking on this? I can't, I'm too old and onto my 3rd beer.....

 

[Tiger68]

Im already sick of the Grundy talk, if he was that good, why did GWS pass on him .. not once,not twice, BUT 5 TIMES !! Dogs passed on him twice as well, Richmond would get more value rookie listing Wood, than drafting Grundy at pick 9, that is the reality, Wood has been judged harshly because Collingwood expected him to be a superstar, i hope we pick Wood up as a rookie, with the coaching staff telling him "you DONT need to be a superstar, you just have to COMPETE, that is all we want & all we expect"

now Grundy is going to have the pressure of becoming a 'SUPERSTAR' ruckman, but apparently according to BF he already is ... reality is, he will find going up against Senior ruckman very difficult for at least 4-5 years, maybe more

Couldn't agree more. I think the pies are very quick to eat their own and Wood had a pretty tough benchmark in Jolly. Gus needed a fresh start and I think it will benefit Wood as well. If Wood is willing to be on our Rookie list that would be a good result IMO

 

[Mr Magic]

With a percentage over 100 for a side that didn,t make the finals,Can see why our fwd line is in trouble.

Our forward line is being carried by our midfield and backline IMO creating the nice percentage

 

[partycorolla]

Our forward line is being carried by our midfield and backline IMO creating the nice percentage

Although I rarely agree with anything Magic says, I certainly agree that with a better functioning forward line, we would probably have made finals last year. Our mids and backs were dominant for large periods in games and we often won/broke even in I50's but our use going in, whether lack of options or no hit up forward (Miller our most effective?) cost us dearly.

Nahas and King need to playing out of their skin for our forward line to be really dangerous. JR is a star and if he gets an injury free run at it, he'll once again tear the comp apart (Norm Smith while half fit is noted... but prob didn't deserve it). Nahas kicked plenty but I felt he was better in 2011. Edwards is now a really dangerous (and more consistent) forward but we need a hit up forward or 2 plus a another high marking option (could TV/Griff please stand up and be injury free in 2013).

If this happens and our mids continue to perform (including a fit Axel) then we have the tools to make finals in 2013, and make them well (3-6).

Or maybe I've just had too many cans.... :/