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If the Walker/Jacobs move is more than speculation, then you'd think Chris Knights might be involved in the trade as well. Perhaps a draft selection might have to thrown our way as well.
Could very well be a win/win for both clubs.
Could very well be a win/win for both clubs.
I was really disappointed that we didn't pick up any real midfielders last year when it was clearly what we needed after we took all those talls the year before.
It was good to hear Rendell interviewed after the draft saying that the midfielders didn't fall to us so they took the best available rather than mids they didn't rate. He said that mids would be the priority this year and from this interview now its good to hear that nothing has changed.
For the second time he hinted that with pick 14 they would take the best mid available rather than just the best player available. (Obviously listening to him if Day was available for example that would change though).
It's interesting to me that having conceded our squad needs as mids, mids and more mids he goes on to say we are chasing a ruckman and (yet another) tall utility.
Hopefully, pick 14 won't be traded and we get a second rounder for Griffin that could perhaps be used to get Jacobs, but I would hope that if we don't use the Bock pick this year picks 14 and 32 go on the best mids available.
I'll be really disappointed if we take one mid with pick 14, then the next mid is at pick 49 or lower in the order. We need some class mids to complete this squad so lets go after them!
It was good to hear Rendell interviewed after the draft saying that the midfielders didn't fall to us so they took the best available rather than mids they didn't rate. He said that mids would be the priority this year and from this interview now its good to hear that nothing has changed.
For the second time he hinted that with pick 14 they would take the best mid available rather than just the best player available. (Obviously listening to him if Day was available for example that would change though).
It's interesting to me that having conceded our squad needs as mids, mids and more mids he goes on to say we are chasing a ruckman and (yet another) tall utility.
Hopefully, pick 14 won't be traded and we get a second rounder for Griffin that could perhaps be used to get Jacobs, but I would hope that if we don't use the Bock pick this year picks 14 and 32 go on the best mids available.
I'll be really disappointed if we take one mid with pick 14, then the next mid is at pick 49 or lower in the order. We need some class mids to complete this squad so lets go after them!
Interesting to hear Rendells thoughts on Giles.
I probably have this wrong but I thought we could perhaps do a deal with him to enter only the PSD.
My understanding is that GC don't get a pick in the PSD, because they have the right to sign up to 10 players who are currently outside the AFL but have been there previously. I assume that Giles could refuse to sign with them and just enter the PSD.
We have pick 5 and I don't think the teams picking ahead of us have any need for a ruckman so couldn't we come to an agreement with him on this basis? From what I hear he is dirty on Port for delisting him (they have pick 6 and need rucks) and this would enable him to come back to the AFL whilst staying in Adelaide.
Interested to know if I have this wrong somehow?
I probably have this wrong but I thought we could perhaps do a deal with him to enter only the PSD.
My understanding is that GC don't get a pick in the PSD, because they have the right to sign up to 10 players who are currently outside the AFL but have been there previously. I assume that Giles could refuse to sign with them and just enter the PSD.
We have pick 5 and I don't think the teams picking ahead of us have any need for a ruckman so couldn't we come to an agreement with him on this basis? From what I hear he is dirty on Port for delisting him (they have pick 6 and need rucks) and this would enable him to come back to the AFL whilst staying in Adelaide.
Interested to know if I have this wrong somehow?
You are NOT going to get class midfielders with picks 14, 32 and what ever else in a compromised draft.
Even Rendell himself said that there are some good midfielders in this draft but none are superstars like Scully, Trengrove and Martin from last draft.
If you are expecting us to get anything more than good players with those picks, then I think you will be disappointed. If we get some good solid players from those picks we would be laughing!
Getting class players is pie in the sky stuff!
Rendell himself even said that you don't have to be dead to be stiff....any other year we would have a top 5 pick, this year we are pick 14 in a draft that has already been raided by GC by picking the best dozen 17 year olds last year.
There is no law saying that he HAS to sign with GC as one of their 10 players - but he would be mad not to unless he has a rock-solid agreement that another club would pick him up.
As for those teams above us, West Coast have a distinct shortage of ruckmen on their list once you go past NicNat and Cox. Next cab off the rank is Q Lynch - and a ruckman he ain't. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them grab Giles if he were available in the PSD.
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I did say if the speculation about Knights was true.
If it's not, then a new deal will need to be thrashed out.
Yep, not expecting Chris Judd just some good honest 10 year midfield players. Scott Thompson was pick 18 IIRC and Bernie Vince pick 32. Young Swallow from North Melbourne AA standard this year and went at pick 42.
There are no guarantees of course which is why I want us to get as many mids in as possible in the hope that one of them is a real gem, or at least as I said really solid 10 year players. History says that some won't make it.
There are good reports on guys like Luke Parker, Josh Caddy, Brodie Smith, Jed Lamb, Warrick Andreoli etc - some of them should be available at our first and second round picks and these are the kinds of players that I mean.
That'd be around what you'd think they'd put on the table.
Marginally under-paying, but if both players want out, and WANT to come to Adelaide, then it's about right.
Mackay
Knights
Otten
Johncock
ETC.
Yeah and which one of those drafts was as compromised as the one we are about to have?!
NONE!
True Stiff but MacKay was pick 49 and Johncock & Knights in the 50's.
With the players precluded from this draft you'd think we would want to use first and second round picks to have any chance of equal success, but this still supposed to be a reasonably deep draft. Rory Sloane was mid 40's too.
Stiffy, Collingwood grabbed Sidebottom and Beams with picks 11 and 29 in 2008. You don't need top 5 picks to get quality. Yes the odds are lower, but it is still doable.
We really need to go midfield heavy in this draft and stock up.
We really need to go midfield heavy in this draft and stock up.
And with Johncock and Mackay we are talking about some of the best drafts of all time.
Its not about the numbers, its about the depth of the talent pool. Some drafts you want as many picks as you can get, in others you want to take the minimum you are required to.
Throwing up numbers really means nothing to strengthen your argument. Its about how the draft pool is rated and according to all those that should know, the draft pool is nothing special.
For one, GC has raided all the good 17 year olds last year that would have made this draft reasonable. Secondly, GC gets enormous amounts of picks in this draft, especially in the first round, further diluting the draft pool that is questionable to genuine long term AFL talent.
Matt Rendell said there is some good talent in the top 5 and from 6-18 you can throw a blanket over the players because there is not much between them. He even said don't expect any stars like Scully, Trengove and Martin from last year, it will be a draft of solid players.
Solid players can go on and play 200 AFL games (see Michael Doughty) BUT they will not be class players. There is a difference between Michael Doughty and Simon Goodwin. One is a class player, the other is a good solid AFL footballer.
I am sure Rendell will make the most of our picks but he himself is not expecting stars out of this draft with our picks.
He also said that the GC can pick 10 previously listed AFL players before any other club gets a chance, so he was a certainty to be playing there as their number 1 ruck next year. Ohhhh Port.
Open your other eye.. people will soon be saying "and Adelaide let go of Ed Curnow. Ohhh Adelaide
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Butts_JZZ30
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Great post,
Anything that comes from this draft will be a bonus. It is well possible that we could find a very good player in this draft, but it would have to be considered very lucky.
Rendell's comment was referring to the midfielders from 6-18 not being Scully, Trengove, Martin quality. Considering they went 1-3 in their draft it makes sense. Swallow will probably be that quality and he said Day essentially has the potential to be the greatest AFL player we have ever seen.
There is more depth in the draft than people expected, it is just non-GC clubs have later picks so do not expect to see any of it at your club. Rendell was making sure people did not expect the Crows to get a star out of this draft because we finished low.
Butts_JZZ30
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How old is Jacobs? If the Crows want to win a flag when our window is available we will need a better ruckman than what we currently have. I think having at least one quality ruckman is essential for winning a flag. I can't think of to many sides that have one a flag in recent years without a good ruckman.
Ruckman take longer to mature so drafting a gun even now could be a bit late. Is Jacobs the ideal choice? I don't know a lot about him?
Ruckman take longer to mature so drafting a gun even now could be a bit late. Is Jacobs the ideal choice? I don't know a lot about him?
DOB 10th April 1988, making him 22 (turning 23 early in the season next year).
He may turn out to be very good, but right now he's probably on par with or slightly behind Maric. I wouldn't build up any great hope of him becoming the next Shaun Rehn.
Doubt the blues would be interested in that.
Just some comments
jacobs & walker have proven that they can come straight into the team and will contribute. Both also have a good deal of potential improvement (walker finally over shoulders, jacobs fitness & ruckmen dont peak till post 26).
It would also appear that the blues will be losing thornton - another player that can come in and contribute straight off. In effect the blues will be losing 3 players that are there and abouts the first 22 and given the teams development profile (ie pushing for top 4 in 2011), we will be looking more for players that can contribute.
That would mean a proven ready made player (ie unlikely to be sellar) or top line youngsters (ie 1st round).
A 2nd round pick would nab a player that is more speculative pick or a kid that might need more development - the compensatory pick wouldnt be used until post GC/WS compromised drafts - neither of those would improve carltons team for 2011 so we'd simply not be interested.
Barring injury, jacobs & walker would walk into the crows 22 in 2011 and stay there for 5+ yrs (walker 6-8+yrs, jacobs 8-10+ yrs) - You probably need to consider that and what the blues are looking for to work out what the crows might offer the blues.
Imo, it would have to be along the lines of pick 14 + unproven player (sellar, others) or proven/very promising tall + maybe later pick/pick swaps) for jacobs+walker.
What you're describing here is a "depth player" - the 23rd-25th ranked player on your list. Nobody in their right mind is going to give up a 1st round selection for a "depth player" who can't even command a position in your best 22.
Irrelevant. We're not trading for Thornton. That's your problem, not ours.
No.. it means 2x "depth players", draft picks to a similar value, or a combination of the two.
FWIW, Sellar has also proven to be a perfectly adequate "depth player" when called upon to do the job in 2009. He's not worth the same as Walker or Jacobs, but he fits the "depth player" definition just as well as your two players.
OK.. so you don't want draft picks. Which players would you be interested in - and who are realistically likely to be available?
Maybe.. that's the optimistic way of looking at it. On the other hand, Walker might not be able to force his way into our midfield, McKernan might show some spark in 2011 (sadly missing in 2010) making the selection of 2 lumbering ruckmen more of a quandry.
If you want to look at it this way, the Bock concession pick + pick 31 might get you 2 players who play for 10+ years.
You're not getting pick #14. Forget about it, try suggesting something a little more realistic.
Nothing against Maric and yes I may be biased, but I would place Jacobs ahead of Maric.
His improvement has been very good this year and there is plenty of scope for more improvement.
I'd place him behind Maric now, with scope to surpass Maric in the medium-term future. There's not a snowball's chance in Hades of him reaching Sean Rehn status.
