Injury Review into our medical staff

[TKiL]

Somewhat doubt Bucks was saying he was going to do the review hinself. From your rant I got that you don't like reviews and would prefer that the problems be left to just magically disappear on their own without all the effort and fuss.

No objections to reviews as long as they produce results - we are a football club that hasn't set the world on fire for a while yet - we are not the federal Govt commissioning reviews, Royal Commissions etc

 

[Seedsfan]

I agree with your thought about the role of doctors in rehabbing the soft tissue injuries. They will have a minor hands off role.

Not sure how you expect the current rehab protocols and exercise physiology to prevent soft tissue injuries and re injury. Look through the lists of soft tissue injuries at the 18 clubs currently, Collingwood isn't too bad, and you will see that's a forlorn hope. These injuries are a consequence of the exertion of the game and are not going away.

Collingwood hasn't had a spate of soft tissue injuries. The ones we have had have as bit of predictability about them and are very hard to prevent.

Wells came to the club over 30 and with a recent history of injury. He was always a risk. Our staff can't change that

Moore did hammies from early in his 1st season. I can guarantee you he will have been managed properly and gone through all the recommended rehab and testing. All the boxes would have been ticked. Even when you do that an increased risk remains. That can't be changed

Eliott past problems with back and ankle. Off season surgery and a loss of a preseason base but this seems the 1st time he has had a soft tissue injury. To reinjure is unfortunate. Still he would have done the best practice rehab and tick all the boxes. Shows,again the process can only,do so much. Can't prevent fully.

Reid. A history of various soft tissue injuries, is a chronic problem. Some players seem a greater risk.

Again with these numbers and especially looking at the players involved nothing suggests Collingwood have a soft tissue injury problem compared to the other 17 clubs

Early doors they use to rush Moore back after two weeks and he would retear it. Then this year they played him when he wasn’t good to go, the fact he only managed 60% of the game against lions shows he wasn’t ready

 

[Gone Critical]

Early doors they use to rush Moore back after two weeks and he would retear it. Then this year they played him when he wasn’t good to go, the fact he only managed 60% of the game against lions shows he wasn’t ready

Rubbish. He played 69% game time against the Lions. His carer average is 77% and is a similar average each season. No doubt they were likely managing him a little in his comeback game which would be understandable. Doesnt show he wasnt ready.

 

[Seedsfan]

Rubbish. He played 69% game time against the Lions. His carer average is 77% and is a similar average each season. No doubt they were likely managing him a little in his comeback game which would be understandable. Doesnt show he wasnt ready.

If you are managing him his not ready for senior footy

 

[Maggie5]

We have 2 club doctors who both work at the club on a part time basis. One is the main doctor. Since the years of Buckley where people have complained about the clubs doctors that head position has been held by 3 different doctors. Not sure who it was pre 2015 but then Bradsure was recruited from Geelong in 2015 and now Branson in charge as of late 2017.

You stated there was only one recent change which was one doctor leaving who hadn't been replaced. That s clearly incorrect.

One of which was already there and is now in charge. So not significant. Significant to me implies sufficiently great or of high importance.

 

[Gone Critical]

One of which was already there and is now in charge. So not significant. Significant to me implies sufficiently great or of high importance.

Branson wasnt already there. He was appointed 2017 presumably at the end of the season. During the 2017 season he was the Sydney Swans doctor for games played in Victoria. He was at Collingwood 2006-10. So to have 3 different head doctors since 2015 is a bit of change.

 

[Gone Critical]

If you are managing him his not ready for senior footy

What? Every player out there has their work load managed. All are on different programs on game day depending on position, fitness, history injury etc.

 

[Vicky Park]

Great 2 losses coming up. When is ths last time we won a game at Etihad? That ground is a s***hole for us...

We beat North there last year, although agree it's not a happy hunting ground for us. Not lately anyway.

On Wells, we have to play him. He was kept in the twos due to poor conditioning/fitness. And despite calls from many, including me, I think his lack of match ready fitness showed yesterday. He has to be better next week, when we'll need all hands on deck to beat the hapless Saints.

 

[deck]

What I found interesting last week Mark Ricciuto was talking about seedsman and said that he came to Adelaide with his body in a mess so they had to work really hard on getting it right again. This leaves me thinking what the hell was the Collingwood fitness staff doing in getting his body right then? Now he is going along with no real issues.

Yet Adelaide have there own soft tissue injury crisis.

 

[BEEG]

I went to the VFL ground yesterday Olympic park our training facility.

The very first thing that came to mind was wow the ground looks like a putting green.

I then had a look all around the ground to see many holes being dug up by players boots etc.

Ground is shit.

 

[good4footy]

Gone Critical interested in your opinion of Elliott doing the pre game warm up, asked to sit on the bench for a quarter and then sent out for the 2nd quarter- essentially having cooled down.

My lay persons understanding would be for him to start once warmed up and come off for the last quarter and protect against reinjuring due to fatigue first game back.

 

[Maggie5]

Branson wasnt already there. He was appointed 2017 presumably at the end of the season. During the 2017 season he was the Sydney Swans doctor for games played in Victoria. He was at Collingwood 2006-10. So to have 3 different head doctors since 2015 is a bit of change.

I was referring to Dr Greg Shuttleworth who was his 2IC and is still there (since 2010).
Branson agree was there during MM era and came back in 2017.
Brayshaw came and went (he replaced Peter Baqui who is currently at North).

So I really don't get your significant changes.

 

[Darkyprotector]

I went to the VFL ground yesterday Olympic park our training facility.

The very first thing that came to mind was wow the ground looks like a putting green.

I then had a look all around the ground to see many holes being dug up by players boots etc.

Ground is shit.

It's designed I believe as a multi use oval

Has different toppings unlike cotchs paddock,isn't settled and is a HUGE issue

Harder and shifty underfoot

 

[Gone Critical]

I was referring to Dr Greg Shuttleworth who was his 2IC and is still there (since 2010).
Branson agree was there during MM era and came back in 2017.
Brayshaw came and went (he replaced Peter Baqui who is currently at North).

So I really don't get your significant changes.

Not sure where you want to go with this. You started this by disagreeing with Collingwood HQ who said the medical staff had "changed several times in the last few years". Despite this being correct you disagreed saying "Only lost a doctor who hasn't been replaced."

That was wrong on all scores. The main doctors position has been held by 4 doctors since Baqui was replaced in 2015, Baqui, Bradshaw, Shuttleworth (temorary) and now Branson. Seems we like the B's. Clearly all the doctors we lost or have moved on have also been replaced.

Argue all you like that that isn't significant when there are only 2 doctors contracted to the club at any time. Wont be much of an argument but give it your best shot. What won't change is your initial assertion was wrong. To that there is no argument.

 

[sr36]

Our medicos are shit. Moore Elliott Sinclair Seedsman and Freeman all players we recruited and then have developed chronic injuries at the club

+ Langdon to the list.

My uneducated theory is that it goes back a few years to the whole "you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelette" approach that the club had. They overtrained blokes bringing on a heap of soft tissue injuries. Those blokes now have a fair bit of scar tissue where they should have soft tissue and are thus more susceptible to injury.

Davoren will get the blame, but I think it was the coaches as well. It was them who sold the message as 'these are the injuries we had to have.' and I suspect it was the coaches who okayed a training approach likely to lead to more injuries. I'd be shocked if they didn't know they were increasing the chances of injury by a sudden increase in training loads, like what supposedly occurred in Daveron's first year.

 

[Maggie5]

Not sure where you want to go with this. You started this by disagreeing with Collingwood HQ who said the medical staff had "changed several times in the last few years". Despite this being correct you disagreed saying "Only lost a doctor who hasn't been replaced."

That was wrong on all scores. The main doctors position has been held by 4 doctors since Baqui was replaced in 2015, Baqui, Bradshaw, Shuttleworth (temorary) and now Branson. Seems we like the B's. Clearly all the doctors we lost or have moved on have also been replaced.

Argue all you like that that isn't significant when there are only 2 doctors contracted to the club at any time. Wont be much of an argument but give it your best shot. What won't change is your initial assertion was wrong. To that there is no argument.

Finally we can agree on something. I will not continue, I stand by what I posted!

 

[Gone Critical]

Gone Critical interested in your opinion of Elliott doing the pre game warm up, asked to sit on the bench for a quarter and then sent out for the 2nd quarter- essentially having cooled down.

My lay persons understanding would be for him to start once warmed up and come off for the last quarter and protect against reinjuring due to fatigue first game back.

I have no expertise in this area but would think either starting him later in the game or finishing earlier would be acceptable. Presumption is he stays warmed up and ready to go during the first Q if he sits it out. I dont think the way it occurred yesterday would be of significance.

 

[Gone Critical]

Finally we can agree on something. I will not continue, I stand by what I posted!

Good I didnt think I would get you to the point of understanding you were wrong but glad we can agree on that now. It was pretty straightforward in the end

 

[Maggie5]

Good I didnt think I would get you to the point of understanding you were wrong but glad we can agree on that now. It was pretty straightforward in the end

Last word?

 

[Unknown Identity]

I'm convinced it's the ground.

Much like Etihad when it first played footy on it, was causing duress with hamstrings and rolled ankles most prevalent.

Biggest issue is that we spend 6-10 hours training on this shoddy surface compared to to a 2 hour match.

 

[ArielZ]

Bloody terrific.

 

[Unknown Identity]

It's farcical isn't it..

I give up.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

It's becoming a sick joke now.

 

[CFC2010]

Bloody terrific.

 

[unplugged]

Gee whiz, anyone else? Varcoe would be about due for another hammy.