Review Review of St Kilda drafting 2006 - present

[Kildonan]

Grant Thomas had this playing list in 2006

2006 List in age order::

   Name              Games Age Date of Birth Height Weight Origin Position
  Harvey, Robert (V+)   340 35 21 Aug 1971 181cm 84kg Seaford Midfield
  Thompson, Andrew      211 33 21 Oct 1972 180cm 81kg Old Melburnians Midfield
  Gehrig, Fraser        235 30 03 Mar 1976 195cm 104kg Murray Bushrangers Forward
  Hudghton, Max         194 30 02 Sep 1976 191cm 92kg Northern Knights Defender
  Hamill, Aaron         190 29 20 Aug 1977 184cm 94kg Tuggeranong Forward
  Voss, Brett           159 28 22 Feb 1978 181cm 84kg Morningside Defender
  Hayes, Lenny          149 26 14 Jan 1980 186cm 85kg Pennant Hills Midfield
  Milne, Stephen        119 26 08 Mar 1980 176cm 80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
  Baker, Steven         134 26 22 May 1980 179cm 83kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
  Michael Rix            11 25 08 Jan 1981 200cm 100kg Coburg Ruck
  Blake, Jason           91 25 15 Mar 1981 189cm 87kg Beaumaris Ruck Utility
  Fiora, Aaron          108 25 19 Apr 1981 186cm 80kg Port Adelaide Winger/Flanker
  Schwarze, Troy         71 24 23 Dec 1981 190cm 89kg Dingley Defender
  Ackland, Cain          53 24 16 Mar 1982 196cm 96kg Port Adelaide Ruck
  Murray, Allan          16 24 20 May 1982 180cm 83kg Murray Bushrangers Forward
  Fisher, Sam            51 24 10 Jul 1982 191cm 88kg West Adelaide Defender
  Koschitzke, Justin     78 24 20 Sep 1982 197cm 96kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck KPP
  Riewoldt, Nick        114 23 17 Oct 1982 193cm 95kg Southport Forward 
  Clarke, Xavier         79 22 28 Sep 1983 181cm 80kg St Marys Forward
  Montagna, Leigh        52 22 02 Nov 1983 178cm 76kg Northern Knights Midfield
  Brooks, Barry           8 22 24 Dec 1983 198cm 95kg Grassy Ruck
  Dal Santo, Nick        98 22 22 Feb 1984 185cm 83kg Bendigo Pioneers Midfield
  Fisher, Leigh          25 22 19 Apr 1984 184cm 90kg Mentone Grammar Midfield
  Gram, Jason            32 22 27 Apr 1984 186cm 84kg Gippsland Power Defender
  Ball, Luke             86 22 25 May 1984 183cm 84kg Sandringham Dragons Midfield
  Maguire, Matthew       85 22 30 May 1984 190cm 96kg Geelong Falcons Defender
  McGough, Mark          49 22 22 Jun 1984 188cm 88kg Murray Bushrangers Midfield
  Ferguson, Matthew       8 21 01 Oct 1984 187cm 87kg Heyfield Forward
  Pfitzner, Dylan (R)     0 20 13 Apr 1985 196cm 82kg Central District Forward
  Goddard, Brendon       83 21 20 May 1985 189cm 96kg Traralgon Utility
  Watts, Fergus           6 21 21 Sep 1985 195cm 95kg Sandringham Dragons Forward
  Clarke, Raphael        22 20 24 Sep 1985 188cm 82kg St Mary's Defender
  McQualter, Andrew      17 20 09 Jun 1986 179cm 79kg Gippsland Power Midfield
  Gwilt, James            5 20 11 Aug 1986 188cm 88kg Noble Park Utility
  Gilbert, Sam            2 20 19 Aug 1986 194cm 82kg Southport Defender
  McDonnell, Edward (R)   0 19 30 Dec 1986 192cm 87kg Western Magpies Utility
  Raymond, Phillip        0 19 24 Jun 1987 186cm 69kg Glenelg Forward
  Corr, Cathal (R)        0 18 01 Nov 1987 182cm 82kg Northern Knights Utility
  Sweeney, Justin         0 18 25 Dec 1987 186cm 87kg Tyabb Forward

After GT was sacked, the club was restructured and more resources were allocated toward recruiting.

The changes to the list 2006/7

Deletions

Justin Peckett (retired)
Stephen Powell (retired)
Troy Schwarze (delisted)
Cain Ackland (delisted)
Matthew Ferguson (delisted)
Mark McGough (delisted)
Allan Murray (delisted)

Rookie Deletions

Cathal Corr (delisted)
Ed McDonnell (delisted)
Dylan Pfitzner (delisted)

Additions

Michael Gardiner (52 matches)
Shane Birss (20 matches)
David Armitage (107+ matches)
Brad Howard
Jarryd Allen
Matthew Ferguson (redrafted)
Matthew Clarke (10 matches)

Rookie Additions

Clinton Jones (149 matches)
Luke Van Rheenen
Robbert Eddy (33 matches)
James Wall
Jarryn Geary (100+ matches)
Jaydn Attard

Thats 9 players out and 12 players in (utilising our rookie spots more appropriately)* Ignoring Matthew Ferguson

The St Kilda 2007 list in age order after the draft:

This is the list that Ross Lyon inherited - he had some input on recruiting immediately after his appointment but most of the groundwork had already been done and the recruiters were able to follow up on their work all season.

   Name              Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position
  Harvey, Robert (V+)   340 35 21 Aug 1971 181cm  84kg Seaford             Midfield
  Thompson, Andrew (V+) 211 34 21 Oct 1972 180cm  81kg Old Melburnians     Midfield
  Clarke, Matthew       248 33 18 Sep 1973 200cm 100kg West Gambier        Ruck
  Gehrig, Fraser        235 31 03 Mar 1976 195cm 104kg Murray Bushrangers  Forward
  Hudghton, Max         194 30 02 Sep 1976 191cm  92kg Northern Knights    Defender
  Hamill, Aaron         190 29 20 Aug 1977 184cm  94kg Tuggeranong         Forward
  Voss, Brett           159 29 22 Feb 1978 181cm  84kg Morningside         Defender
  Gardiner, Michael     129 27 05 Jul 1979 199cm  99kg Claremont           Ruck
  Hayes, Lenny          149 27 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield
  Milne, Stephen        119 27 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
  Baker, Steven         134 26 22 May 1980 179cm  83kg Geelong Falcons     Midfield
  Michael Rix            11 26 08 Jan 1981 200cm 100kg Coburg              Ruck
  Blake, Jason           91 25 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility
  Fiora, Aaron          108 25 19 Apr 1981 186cm  80kg Port Adelaide       Winger/Flanker
  Fisher, Sam            51 24 10 Jul 1982 191cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender
  Koschitzke, Justin     78 24 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  Ruck KPP
  Riewoldt, Nick        114 24 17 Oct 1982 193cm  95kg Southport           Forward 
  Birss, Shane           51 23 11 Mar 1983 183cm  80kg Sale                Midfield
  Clarke, Xavier         79 23 28 Sep 1983 181cm  80kg St Marys            Forward
  Montagna, Leigh        52 23 02 Nov 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield
  Brooks, Barry           8 23 24 Dec 1983 198cm  95kg Grassy              Ruck
  Jones, Clinton (R)      0 23 02 Feb 1984 183cm   83kg South Fremantle    Midfield
  Dal Santo, Nick        98 23 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield
  Fisher, Leigh          25 22 19 Apr 1984 184cm  90kg Mentone Grammar     Midfield
  Gram, Jason            32 22 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defender
  Ball, Luke             86 22 25 May 1984 183cm  84kg Sandringham Dragons Midfield
  Maguire, Matthew       85 22 30 May 1984 190cm  96kg Geelong Falcons     Defender
  Ferguson, Matthew       8 22 01 Oct 1984 187cm  87kg Heyfield            Utility
  Goddard, Brendon       83 21 20 May 1985 189cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Watts, Fergus           6 21 21 Sep 1985 195cm  95kg Sandringham Dragons Forward
  Clarke, Raphael        22 21 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defender
  Attard, Jayden (R)      5 21 27 Feb 1986 187cm  83kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender
  McQualter, Andrew      17 20 09 Jun 1986 179cm  79kg Gippsland Power     Midfield
  Gwilt, James            5 20 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility
  Gilbert, Sam            2 20 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defender
  Wall, James (R)         0 20 05 Jan 1987 198cm  80kg Calder Cannons      Defender
  Raymond, Phillip        0 19 24 Jun 1987 186cm  69kg Glenelg             Forward
  Howard, Brad            0 19 21 Dec 1987 180.5cm 72kg Redlands           Midfielder  
  Sweeney, Justin         0 19 25 Dec 1987 186cm   87kg Tyabb              Forward
  Eddy, Robert (R)        0 19 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85kg Gippsland Power    Midfield
  Allen, Jarryd           0 19 14 Jan 1988 193.2cm 88kg Calder Cannons     Forward
  Van Rheenan, Luke (R)   0 19 07 Mar 1988 201cm   90kg Scoresby           Ruck
  Armitage, David         0 18 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80kg Morningside        Midfielder
  Geary, Jarryn (R)       0 18 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield

 

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Ross Lyon has had 12 months to look at his players and the team structure. The recruiters attempted to address the deficiencies he percieved with trades while still focusing on youth especially via the rookie draft.

Players Removed from List End 2007:

Thompson, Andrew (V+)
Clarke, Matthew
Gehrig, Fraser
Hamill, Aaron
Voss, Brett
Brooks, Barry
Watts, Fergus
McQualter, Andrew
Raymond, Phillip
Sweeney, Justin
Wall, James (R)

Players Added to Main List:

Gehrig, Fraser (redrafted)
King, Steven (47 matches)
Gardiner, Charlie
Dempster, Sean (>50 matches)
Schneider, Adam (>50 matches)
McEvoy, Ben (>50 matches)
Connors, Eljay
Steven, Jack (>30 matches)

Rookies Promoted to Main List:
Jones, Clinton
Geary, Jarryn

Retained Rookies:
Attard, Jayden (R)
Eddy, Robert (R)
Van Rheenan, Luke (R)

Players Added to Rookie List:

McQualter, Andrew (R) (Redrafted)
Miles, Luke (R)
Chivers, Glenn (R)
Haretuku, Khan (R)

Thats 9 players out and 10 players in (ignoring Gehrig and McQualter)

2008 List in age order:

   Name              Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
  Harvey, Robert (V+)   359 36 21 Aug 1971 181cm  84kg Seaford             Midfield  
  Gehrig, Fraser        255 31 03 Mar 1976 195cm 104kg Murray Bushrangers  Forward  
  Hudghton, Max (V+)    204 31 02 Sep 1976 191cm  92kg Northern Knights    Defence 
  [COLOR="Blue"]King, Steven          193 28 11 Nov 1978 201cm 105kg Shepparton HS       Ruck[/COLOR]
  Gardiner, Michael     129 28 05 Jul 1979 199cm  99kg Claremont           Ruck 
  Hayes, Lenny          168 27 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  Milne, Stephen        141 27 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  Baker, Steven         152 26 22 May 1980 179cm  83kg Geelong Falcons     Midfield  
  Michael Rix            28 26 08 Jan 1981 200cm 100kg Coburg              Ruck
  Blake, Jason          113 26 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  Fiora, Aaron          130 26 19 Apr 1981 186cm  80kg Port Adelaide       Wing/Flank  
  Fisher, Sam            71 25 10 Jul 1982 191cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  Koschitzke, Justin     97 25 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  Ruck KPP  
  Riewoldt, Nick        134 25 17 Oct 1982 193cm  95kg Southport           Forward    
  [COLOR="blue"]Gardiner, Charlie      51 24 01 Mar 1983 190cm  91kg Geelong Grammar     Forward[/COLOR]
  Birss, Shane           63 24 11 Mar 1983 183cm  80kg Sale                Midfield 
  Clarke, Xavier         97 24 28 Sep 1983 181cm  80kg St Marys            Forward  
  Montagna, Leigh        73 23 02 Nov 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  [COLOR="blue"]Dempster, Sean         51 23 20 Jan 1984 192cm  87kg Gippsland U18       Key Defence[/COLOR]
  Jones, Clinton          6 23 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  Dal Santo, Nick       120 23 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
  Fisher, Leigh          47 23 19 Apr 1984 184cm  90kg Mentone Grammar     Midfield  
  Gram, Jason            52 23 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  [COLOR="blue"]Schneider, Adam        98 23 12 May 1984 179cm  79kg Osbourne            Forward[/COLOR]
  Ball, Luke            104 23 25 May 1984 183cm  84kg Sandringham Dragons Midfield  
  Maguire, Matthew       95 23 30 May 1984 190cm  96kg Geelong Falcons     Defence  
  Ferguson, Matthew      10 23 01 Oct 1984 187cm  87kg Heyfield            Utility  
  Goddard, Brendon       90 22 20 May 1985 189cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility 
  Clarke, Raphael        30 22 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defence  
  Attard, Jayden (R)     25 21 27 Feb 1986 187cm  83kg Dandenong Stingrays Defence 
  McQualter, Andrew (R)  23 21 09 Jun 1986 179cm  79kg Gippsland Power     Midfield  
  Gwilt, James           13 21 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility  
  Gilbert, Sam           20 21 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defence
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Miles, Luke (R)         0 21 30 Oct 1986 185.8cm 78.8kg Swan Districts     Defence[/COLOR]
  Howard, Brad            2 19 21 Dec 1987 180.5cm 72.0kg Redlands           Midfield    
  Eddy, Robert (R)        0 19 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85.0kg Gippsland Power    Midfield
  Allen, Jarryd           0 19 14 Jan 1988 193.2cm 88.0kg Calder Cannons     Forward
  Van Rheenan, Luke (R)   0 19 07 Mar 1988 201.0cm 90.0kg Scoresby           Ruck
  Armitage, David         3 19 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside        Midfield
  Geary, Jarryn           0 19 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  [COLOR="blue"]Chivers, Glenn (R)      0 18 09 Apr 1989 188.4cm 87.5kg Oakleigh Chargers  Defence[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]McEvoy, Ben             0 18 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Haretuku, Khan (R)      0 18 19 Oct 1989 198.0cm 96.0kg NSW Scholarship[/COLOR]  
  [COLOR="blue"]Connors, Eljay          0 17 01 Jan 1990 181.0cm 65.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Steven, Jack            0 17 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield[/COLOR]

 

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Players Removed from List End 2008:

Harvey, Robert (V+)
Gehrig, Fraser
Michael Rix
Fiora, Aaron
Gardiner, Charlie
Birss, Shane
Ferguson, Matthew
Howard, Brad
Attard, Jayden (R)
Van Rheenan, Luke (R)
Chivers, Glenn (R)

Players Added to Main List:
Ray, Farren (>50 matches)
Stanley, Rhys (still listed)
Begley, Colm
Heyne, Nicholas
Smith, Alistair
Cahill, Paul
Lynch, Tom

Rookies Promoted to Main List:
McQualter, Andrew
Eddy, Robert

Retained Rookies:
Miles, Luke (R)
Haretuku, Khan (R)

Players Added to Rookie List:
Dawson, Zac (R) (>50 matches)
Simpkin, Tom (R) (still listed)
Howard, Brad (R) (Redrafted)
Gaertner, Steven (R)
McGarry, Sam (R)
Tungatulum, Ross (R)

Thats 10 players out and 12 players in (ignoring Brad Howard).

2009 List in age order:

   Name              Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
  Hudghton, Max (V+)    227 32 02 Sep 1976 191cm  92kg Northern Knights    Defence 
  King, Steven          215 30 11 Nov 1978 202cm 105kg Shepparton HS       Ruck
  Gardiner, Michael     138 29 05 Jul 1979 199cm  99kg Claremont           Ruck 
  Hayes, Lenny          192 28 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  Milne, Stephen        165 28 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  Baker, Steven         154 28 22 May 1980 179cm  83kg Geelong Falcons     Midfield  
  Blake, Jason          136 27 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  Fisher, Sam            96 26 10 Jul 1982 192cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  Koschitzke, Justin    119 26 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  Ruck KPP  
  Riewoldt, Nick        158 26 17 Oct 1982 193cm  92kg Southport           Forward    
  Montagna, Leigh        98 25 11 Feb 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  Clarke, Xavier        105 25 28 Sep 1983 181cm  80kg St Marys            Forward  
  Dempster, Sean         73 24 20 Jan 1984 191cm  87kg Gippsland U18       Defence
  Jones, Clinton         26 24 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  Dal Santo, Nick       144 24 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
  Fisher, Leigh          56 24 19 Apr 1984 184cm  86kg Mentone Grammar     Midfield  
  Gram, Jason            77 24 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  Schneider, Adam       117 24 12 May 1984 179cm  79kg Osbourne            Forward
  Ball, Luke            122 24 25 May 1984 183cm  84kg Sandringham Dragons Midfield  
  Maguire, Matthew       99 24 30 May 1984 190cm  96kg Geelong Falcons     Defence  
  Goddard, Brendon      113 23 20 May 1985 191cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility 
  Clarke, Raphael        41 23 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defence  
  [COLOR="blue"]Dawson, Zac (R)        14 22 22 Feb 1986 195cm  95kg Doutta Stars        Defence[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="Blue"]Ray, Farren            75 22 29 Mar 1986 187cm  84kg Peel Thunder        Midfield[/COLOR] 
  McQualter, Andrew      35 22 09 Jun 1986 179cm  79kg Gippsland Power     Midfield  
  Gwilt, James           26 22 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility  
  Gilbert, Sam           39 22 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defence
  [COLOR="blue"]Begley, Colm           29 22 31 Aug 1986 188cm  83kg Ireland/Bris Lions  Defender[/COLOR] 
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
  Miles, Luke (R)         0 22 30 Oct 1986 185.8cm 78.8kg Swan Districts     Defence
  Howard, Brad (R)        2 20 21 Dec 1987 182.0cm 80.0kg Redlands           Midfield    
  Eddy, Robert           13 20 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85.0kg Gippsland Power    Midfield
  Allen, Jarryd           4 20 14 Jan 1988 193.2cm 88.0kg Calder Cannons     Forward
  Armitage, David        16 20 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside        Midfield
  Geary, Jarryn          10 20 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  McEvoy, Ben             1 19 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  Haretuku, Khan (R)      0 19 19 Oct 1989 198.0cm 98.0kg NSW Scholarship  
  Connors, Eljay          0 18 01 Jan 1990 181.0cm 65.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  [COLOR="blue"]Gaertner, Steven (R)    0 18 02 Jan 1990 199.0cm 87.0kg Dandenong Stingrays Defence[/COLOR]
  Steven, Jack            0 18 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield  
  [COLOR="blue"]McGarry,  Sam (R)       0 18 21 Apr 1990 186.0cm 77.0kg Sandringham Dragons Midfield[/COLOR]
  McGrath, Blake (R)      0 18 24 Apr 1990 208.0cm 85.0kg Pennant Hill       Ruck
 [COLOR="blue"] Tungatulum, Ross (R)    0 18 05 Jun 1990 ???.?cm ??.?kg St Mary’s          Forward[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Heyne, Nicholas         0 18 22 Jul 1990 188.2cm 79.1kg Orbost             Forward[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Simpkin, Tom (R)        0 18 07 Aug 1990 191.0cm 83.0kg Geelong Falcons    Defence[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Smith, Alistair         0 18 08 Aug 1990 183.5cm 79.0kg Perth              Midfield[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Cahill, Paul            0 18 18 Aug 1990 193.1cm 80.7kg Sturt              Forward[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Lynch, Tom              0 18 15 Sep 1990 191.7cm 85.2kg Sandringham        Forward[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]Stanley, Rhys           0 18 01 Dec 1990 200.4cm 88.5kg West Adelaide      Ruck[/COLOR]

 

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End 2009 Playing list departures:

Retirements:
Hudghton, Max (V+)
Allen, Jarryd

Delisted:
Fisher, Leigh
Ball, Luke
Maguire, Matthew
Begley, Colm
Connors, Eljay
Howard, Brad (R)
Haretuku, Khan (R)
McGarry, Sam (R)
Tungatulum, Ross (R)

Traded out:
Clarke, Xavier

2009/10 Playing list arrivals:

Traded in:
Lovett, Andrew
Peake, Brett (>42 matches)

Rookies promoted to main list:
Dawson, Zac
Miles, Luke

Players selected in the National Draft:
Pattison, Adam
Smith, Jesse W
Johnston, Will
Winmar, Nicholas (still listed)

Players selected in the Rookie Draft:
Fisher, Leigh (R) (for contractual reasons)
Allen, Jarryd (R) (for contractual reasons)
Hutchings, Mark (R)
Archer, Daniel (R) (still listed)

International Rookie:
Walsh, Tommy (R)

2010 List:

   Name              Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
   2 King, Steven          234 31 11 Nov 1978 202cm 105kg Shepparton HS       Ruck
  15 Gardiner, Michael     158 30 05 Jul 1979 199cm  99kg Claremont           Ruck 
   7 Hayes, Lenny          214 29 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  44 Milne, Stephen        188 29 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  10 Baker, Steven         178 29 22 May 1980 179cm  83kg Geelong Falcons     Midfield  
  27 Blake, Jason          161 28 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  25 Fisher, Sam           120 27 10 Jul 1982 192cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  23 Koschitzke, Justin    142 27 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  KPP  
  12 Riewoldt, Nick        182 27 17 Oct 1982 193cm  92kg Southport           Forward    
   9 [COLOR="blue"]Lovett, Andrew[/COLOR]         88 27 11 Nov 1982 183cm  75kg Essendon            Fwd/Mid
  30 [COLOR="blue"]Peake, Brett[/COLOR]           75 26 05 Jul 1983 186cm  88kg Fremantle           Fwd/Mid
  11 Montagna, Leigh       122 26 11 Feb 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  24 Dempster, Sean         82 25 20 Jan 1984 191cm  87kg Gippsland U18       Defence
   4 Jones, Clinton         50 25 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  26 Dal Santo, Nick       168 25 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
  37 Fisher, Leigh (R)      56 25 19 Apr 1984 184cm  86kg Mentone Grammar     Midfield  
   1 Gram, Jason           101 25 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  13 Schneider, Adam       141 25 12 May 1984 179cm  79kg Osbourne            Forward
  18 Goddard, Brendon      137 24 20 May 1985 191cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility 
  16 Clarke, Raphael        57 24 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defence  
   6 Dawson, Zac            37 23 22 Feb 1986 195cm  95kg Doutta Stars        Defence
  34 [COLOR="Blue"]Pattison, Adam[/COLOR]         61 23 05 Mar 1986 197cm  99kg Richmond            Ruck / KPP
  22 Ray, Farren           100 23 29 Mar 1986 187cm  84kg Peel Thunder        Midfield 
  32 McQualter, Andrew      59 23 09 Jun 1986 179cm  79kg Gippsland Power     Midfield  
  33 Gwilt, James           41 23 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility  
  19 Gilbert, Sam           61 23 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defence
  31 [COLOR="blue"]Smith, Jesse W[/COLOR]         27 23 29 Sep 1986 191cm  83kg North Melbourne     Defence
  45 Miles, Luke             0 23 30 Oct 1986 185.8cm 78.8kg Swan Districts     Defence
  40 Eddy, Robert           23 21 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85.0kg Gippsland Power    Midfield
  50 Allen, Jarryd (R)       4 21 14 Jan 1988 193.2cm 88.0kg Calder Cannons     Forward
  20 Armitage, David        19 21 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside        Midfield
  14 Geary, Jarryn          25 21 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  36 [COLOR="blue"]Walsh, Tommy[/COLOR] (R)        0 21 ?? ??? 1988 195.0cm 95.0kg County Kerry
   5 McEvoy, Ben            12 20 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  38 [COLOR="blue"]Johnston, Will[/COLOR]          0 20 26 Oct 1989 191.0cm 90.0kg Sandringham        Defence
  49 Gaertner, Steven (R)    0 19 02 Jan 1990 199.0cm 87.0kg Dandenong Stingrays Defence
   3 Steven, Jack            1 19 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield  
  48 McGrath, Blake (R)      0 19 24 Apr 1990 208.0cm 85.0kg Pennant Hill       Ruck
  21 Heyne, Nicholas         0 19 22 Jul 1990 188.2cm 79.1kg Orbost             Forward
  47 Simpkin, Tom (R)        0 19 07 Aug 1990 191.0cm 83.0kg Geelong Falcons    Defence
  39 Smith, Alistair         0 19 08 Aug 1990 183.5cm 79.0kg Perth              Midfield
  41 Cahill, Paul            0 19 18 Aug 1990 193.1cm 80.7kg Sturt              Forward
  29 Lynch, Tom              0 19 15 Sep 1990 191.7cm 85.2kg Sandringham        Forward
  28 Stanley, Rhys           0 19 01 Dec 1990 200.4cm 88.5kg West Adelaide      Ruck   
  17 [COLOR="blue"]Winmar, Nicholas[/COLOR]        0 18 27 Apr 1991 189.0cm 77.0kg Claremont          Defence
  43 [COLOR="Blue"]Hutchings, Mark [/COLOR](R)     0 18 25 May 1991 180.0cm 82.0kg East Perth         Midfielder
  42 [COLOR="blue"]Archer, Daniel [/COLOR](R)      0 18 26 Oct 1991 193.0cm 98.0kg Clarence

A disasterous year for Saints recruiting

 

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2010/11 Playing list departures:

Retirements:
2 King, Steven
31 Smith, Jesse W

Delisted (Main List):
9 Lovett, Andrew
34 Pattison, Adam
40 Eddy, Robert
45 Miles, Luke

Delisted (Rookie List):
37 Fisher, Leigh (R) (contractual agreement completed)
43 Hutchings, Mark (R)
48 McGrath, Blake (R)
50 Allen, Jarryd (R) (contractual agreement completed)

2010/11 Playing list arrivals:

Traded in:
Nil

National Draft Recruits:
Picks # 24, 43, 59, 75, 90, 103, 111*

2 Siposs, Arryn (still listed)
9 Crocker, Sam (still listed)
16 Gamble, Ryan
34 Polo, Dean (still listed)
35 Cripps, Jamie (still listed)
37 Ledger, Tom (still listed)

Rookies promoted to main list:
47 Simpkin, Tom

Rookie Draft Recruits:
40 Eddy, Robert (redrafted)
43 Curren, Thomas (still listed)
45 Ferguson, Jackson (still listed)
46 Andreoli, Warrick (still listed)

Current List 2010/2011

   Name                  Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
  15 Gardiner, Michael     180 31 05 Jul 1979 199cm  99kg Claremont           Ruck 
   7 Hayes, Lenny          239 30 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  44 Milne, Stephen        213 30 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  10 Baker, Steven         193 30 22 May 1980 179cm  83kg Geelong Falcons     Midfield  
  27 Blake, Jason          187 29 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  25 Fisher, Sam           144 28 10 Jul 1982 192cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  23 Koschitzke, Justin    163 28 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  KPP  
  12 Riewoldt, Nick        197 28 17 Oct 1982 193cm  92kg Southport           Forward    
  30 Peake, Brett           98 27 05 Jul 1983 186cm  88kg Fremantle           Fwd/Mid
  11 Montagna, Leigh       148 27 11 Feb 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  24 Dempster, Sean         96 26 20 Jan 1984 192cm  87kg Gippsland U18       Defence
   4 Jones, Clinton         74 26 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  26 Dal Santo, Nick       193 26 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
   1 Gram, Jason           119 26 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  13 Schneider, Adam       166 26 12 May 1984 179cm  79kg Osbourne            Forward
  18 Goddard, Brendon      162 25 20 May 1985 191cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility 
   8 Clarke, Raphael        65 25 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defence  
   6 Dawson, Zac            57 24 22 Feb 1986 195cm  95kg Doutta Stars        Defence
  22 Ray, Farren           125 24 29 Mar 1986 187cm  84kg Peel Thunder        Midfield 
  32 McQualter, Andrew      84 24 09 Jun 1986 179cm  79kg Gippsland Power     Midfield  
  34 [COLOR="blue"]Polo, Dean[/COLOR]             56 24 05 Aug 1986 187cm  84kg Richmond            Defence
  33 Gwilt, James           67 24 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility  
  19 Gilbert, Sam           87 24 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defence
  16 [COLOR="Blue"]Gamble, Ryan[/COLOR]           24 23 23 Sep 1987 184cm  85kg Geelong Cats        Forward
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
  40 Eddy, Robert (R)       33 22 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85.0kg Gippsland Power    Midfield
  36 Walsh, Tommy (R)        0 22 26 Feb 1988 195.0cm 95.0kg County Kerry
  20 Armitage, David        28 22 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside        Midfield
  14 Geary, Jarryn          44 22 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
   5 McEvoy, Ben            31 21 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  38 Johnston, Will          0 21 26 Oct 1989 191.0cm 90.0kg Sandringham        Defence
  49 Gaertner, Steven (R)    0 20 02 Jan 1990 199.0cm 87.0kg Dandenong Stingrays Defence
   3 Steven, Jack            9 20 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield  
  21 Heyne, Nicholas         3 20 22 Jul 1990 188.2cm 79.1kg Orbost             Forward
  47 Simpkin, Tom            0 20 07 Aug 1990 191.0cm 83.0kg Geelong Falcons    Defence
  39 Smith, Alistair         0 20 08 Aug 1990 183.5cm 79.0kg Perth              Midfield
  41 Cahill, Paul            0 20 18 Aug 1990 193.1cm 80.7kg Sturt              Forward
  29 Lynch, Tom              1 20 15 Sep 1990 191.7cm 85.2kg Sandringham        Forward
  28 Stanley, Rhys           7 20 01 Dec 1990 200.4cm 88.5kg West Adelaide      Ruck   
  17 Winmar, Nicholas        0 19 27 Apr 1991 189.0cm 77.0kg Claremont          Defence
  42 Archer, Daniel (R)      0 19 26 Oct 1991 193.0cm 98.0kg Clarence 
  46 [COLOR="Blue"]Andreoli, Warrick[/COLOR] (R)   0 18 28 Feb 1992 183.0cm 73.0kg South Fremantle
   9 [COLOR="Blue"]Crocker, Sam[/COLOR]            0 18 12 Mar 1992 178.0cm 71.0kg Oakleigh Chargers
  37 [COLOR="blue"]Ledger, Tom[/COLOR]             0 18 17 Mar 1992 178.0cm 73.0kg Claremont
  35 [COLOR="blue"]Cripps, Jamie[/COLOR]           0 18 23 Apr 1992 183.0cm 75.0kg East Fremantle
  43 [COLOR="blue"]Curren, Thomas[/COLOR] (R)      0 18 29 Jul 1992 178.0cm 78.0kg Dandenong Stingrays
  45 [COLOR="blue"]Ferguson, Jackson[/COLOR] (R)   0 18 23 Oct 1992 193.7cm 86.0kg Holroyd-Parramatta
   2 [COLOR="blue"]Siposs, Arryn[/COLOR]           0 18 25 Nov 1992 188.0cm 82.0kg Dandenong Stingrays

 

[sammm]

now thats a bad indictment on the club, the recruiters and the coach!

 

[InkerSaint]

It usually takes 5 years to assess a draft but I don't think anyone will argue that 2008 and 2009 were disasters for the Saints. Also Brad Howard was a costly misfire in 2006 which was an excellent draft in terms of depth.

Other than that, St. Kilda's record is solid without being spectacular in relation to the competition.

 

[VDS66]

It's a bit simplistic to argue that the results are an indictment on the club.

You have to consider the following...

How our churn rate is compared to the rest of the comp.

How close we came to winning a flag twice.

Think about it...

Ray, Jones, Dempster, Schneider. Dawson, Peake, King, Gardiner, Eddy. Mcqualter etc all came within a whisker of being premiership players.

So in that respect, we have done well.

Sure you can argue that the youth policy hasn't been ideal, but then again, we were never ina rebuild... nor did we have the luxury of top draft picks due to our sustained success.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Replacing Fraser Gehrig has become a curse.

2005. Fergus Watts, 197 cm , 26 YO now. Wasnt that good, ( similar stats to what we've seen from Stanley, Archer, or Johnson ), then broke his foot.

2006 Jarryd Allen, 193 cm, 24 now, his four games were underwhelming then he had a career ending injury.

2007 Khan Haratuku - 198cm, 23 now, NSW Scholarship rookie, didnt make it.

2008 Tom Lynch - 193cm, 21 now. Failed to develop as a forward and ran away.
Steven Gaertner - 199cm, 21, Everyone thought he was a full back. Walked out.

2009 Adam Pattison - 198cm , 25, Fancied himself as a forward, but no-one else did.
Daniel Archer - 193cm , 19YO. Has he been de-listed?
Tom Walsh - 195cm , 23YO. Ran off to Sydney because the Saints wanted him to learn the game before he played.

2010 - obviusly too scared to even try to pick a tall forward.

 

[StFly]

It usually takes 5 years to assess a draft but I don't think anyone will argue that 2008 and 2009 were disasters for the Saints. Also Brad Howard was a costly misfire in 2006 which was an excellent draft in terms of depth.

Other than that, St. Kilda's record is solid without being spectacular in relation to the competition.

Howard is in effect one of those players that come in in the wrong era of footy, he had a few decent years down back in the VFL years after we delisted him that if he was bottom age these days there'd be clubs taking a took at that time as well. It's not exactly a misfire as it is simply unfortunate (similar to Miles) in that these were blokes who in todays game of burst rotations could run, could kick but for other reasons never found their way to be retained.

As opposed to someone like Shattners nemesis who never really donned the jumper.

 

[The Punter]

Also remember 2006 was the year where 11 players from Queensland were taken.

Everyone wanted to take a Queenslander. Armitage and Howard were two of them.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Also remember 2006 was the year where 11 players from Queensland were taken.

Everyone wanted to take a Queenslander. Armitage and Howard were two of them.

Which sort of lines up with my other regret regarding the curse of Gehrig.
Some of the other teams seem to pick them up no worries.

Jack RIEWOLDT was taken after Armitage. Is there something about that name... nah plenty of Jacks around. Then there was Kurt Tippett taken a few after Howard.
We could have even got Jesse White with the pick we used to redraft Ferguson.

Freo picked up recycled Kepler Bradley well after the pick we used to redraft Gehrig.

Why isn't Mitch Brown, ( taken with Geelong's first pick a couple after Tom Lynch ) , disgruntled by the lack of opportunity? A question for any Tom's that may have got disgruntled and asked to be traded.

How annoying is it for the Cats to just grab Podsiadly out of the VFL.

Jack Darling last year.

 

[Squizz]

How annoying is it for the Cats to just grab Podsiadly out of the VFL.

Pretty annoying.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It's a bit simplistic to argue that the results are an indictment on the club.

You have to consider the following...

How our churn rate is compared to the rest of the comp.

How close we came to winning a flag twice.

Think about it...

Ray, Jones, Dempster, Schneider. Dawson, Peake, King, Gardiner, Eddy. Mcqualter etc all came within a whisker of being premiership players.

So in that respect, we have done well.

Sure you can argue that the youth policy hasn't been ideal, but then again, we were never ina rebuild... nor did we have the luxury of top draft picks due to our sustained success.

So you need to be in REBUILD so that you dont completely neglect the drafting and development.
Either Lyon was in way over his depth with regards to these things, or he didnt give a rats tossbag, and always planned to get in , get the business done and get out before the team bottomed out.

I liked Watters comment that rebuilding is an ongoing process.

 

[Squizz]

Either Lyon was in way over his depth with regards to these things, or he didnt give a rats tossbag, and always planned to get in , get the business done and get out before the team bottomed out.

Whilst most of us are smarter with hindsight, it seems clear it's the latter.

Pretty clever by Lyon, but leaves our list looking like swiss cheese.

I always did wonder why we pursued the 27yo Lovett so vigorously and why Lyon couldn't bear to improve a competitor with Ball (rather than take a Jack Gunston or Mitch Duncan or Sam Reid or Max Gawn or Nathan Vardy).

His absence from Zeb games (until this year when he decided he needed to play some kids), the "retirement" debacle, Walsh not getting an opportunity, Lynch as a forward, Armitage as a forward, and some bizarre late season selection decisions just rounded out the rodgering nicely.

 

[VDS66]

So you need to be in REBUILD so that you dont completely neglect the drafting and development.
Either Lyon was in way over his depth with regards to these things, or he didnt give a rats tossbag, and always planned to get in , get the business done and get out before the team bottomed out.

I liked Watters comment that rebuilding is an ongoing process.

You'll get no argument from me on the latter. I think it was pretty obvious and I supported it 100% given where our list was at.

And I'm not about to change my views because he's gone.

Lyon was recruited to take us to the next level and win a flag. He built a team to do that and almost pulled it off twice. Had he won at least one flag, he would go down in history as a genius.

He didn't rodger us or anything like that. He was hired to win flags and did everything in his powers to do so... including Lovett.

Perhaps he did see the writing on the wall and moved on. Perhaps the club did also and hesitated in giving him 4 more years?

If his brief was to rebuild, then fair enough. But it wasn't. It wasn't your typical appointment coming after years of relative success.

I don't have a problem with that aproach. Voss on the other hand...

 

[Crippa2Sipa]

You'll get no argument from me on the latter. I think it was pretty obvious and I supported it 100% given where our list was at.

And I'm not about to change my views because he's gone.

Lyon was recruited to take us to the next level and win a flag. He built a team to do that and almost pulled it off twice. Had he won at least one flag, he would go down in history as a genius.

He didn't rodger us or anything like that. He was hired to win flags and did everything in his powers to do so... including Lovett.

Perhaps he did see the writing on the wall and moved on. Perhaps the club did also and hesitated in giving him 4 more years?

If his brief was to rebuild, then fair enough. But it wasn't. It wasn't your typical appointment coming after years of relative success.

I don't have a problem with that aproach. Voss on the other hand...

Great post

 

[sammm]

Whilst most of us are smarter with hindsight, it seems clear it's the latter.

Pretty clever by Lyon, but leaves our list looking like swiss cheese.

I always did wonder why we pursued the 27yo Lovett so vigorously and why Lyon couldn't bear to improve a competitor with Ball (rather than take a Jack Gunston or Mitch Duncan or Sam Reid or Max Gawn or Nathan Vardy).

His absence from Zeb games (until this year when he decided he needed to play some kids), the "retirement" debacle, Walsh not getting an opportunity, Lynch as a forward, Armitage as a forward, and some bizarre late season selection decisions just rounded out the rodgering nicely.

was he really not there until this year.

i am sure i remember there were people impressed with the fact that after GT left Lyon made sure he saw Zeb games? and we were all impressed?

was this not true?

 

[The Punter]

I remember seeing him at the game at Easter in 2009 (v Scorps at TBBO).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You'll get no argument from me on the latter. I think it was pretty obvious and I supported it 100% given where our list was at.

And I'm not about to change my views because he's gone.

Lyon was recruited to take us to the next level and win a flag. He built a team to do that and almost pulled it off twice. Had he won at least one flag, he would go down in history as a genius.

He didn't rodger us or anything like that. He was hired to win flags and did everything in his powers to do so... including Lovett.

Perhaps he did see the writing on the wall and moved on. Perhaps the club did also and hesitated in giving him 4 more years?

If his brief was to rebuild, then fair enough. But it wasn't. It wasn't your typical appointment coming after years of relative success.

I don't have a problem with that aproach. Voss on the other hand...

In which case its probably a pity the club left it a bit too late to hire Pelchen. Maybe the management mistakenly assumed that player development was one of the duties of the Coach.
Lyon seemed to think it was like picking apples at the supermarket, and if you found a Gala among the Granny Smith's , well it can goddam be a Granny Smith or get out.

 

[Squizz]

I remember seeing him at the game at Easter in 2009 (v Scorps at TBBO).

Can someone insert that applause thingy? (sarcasm alert )

Absence is in the context of him being there each and every week (unless there is a clash). I shouldn't have implied he was never there (just rarely).

He was certainly at games alot more in 2011 (which is a good thing, albeit off a low base!)

 

[Squizz]

Maybe the management mistakenly assumed that player development was one of the duties of the Coach.

Pretty sure Lyon didn't have his contract written up as "flag at all costs"!

Yeah, would have thought that the board assumed we'd be looking after the longer term too. Pelchen's appointment and now Burke's comments indicate they started to realise some issues were developing.

 

[VDS66]

Following the fiascoes that were Blight and Thomas, Lyon was under the pump like no ther.

There was massive fall out and division when GT got the flick... followed by calls to bring him back after 2007.

This guy was supposed to take us to the next level, they all cried. But when we got there in 09 and 10, no one was ranting.

Some were saying play the kids... but had he played the kids, who's to say we would have wona flag let alone made succesive GF's?

Lyon was not hired to rebuild the club / list. He was hired to make the most of what we had and go the next level.

Hindsight is an easy way to say if he was right or wrong. Regardless, he made the decisions he thought were needed at the time... rightly or wrongly.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Following the fiascoes that were Blight and Thomas, Lyon was under the pump like no ther.

There was massive fall out and division when GT got the flick... followed by calls to bring him back after 2007.

This guy was supposed to take us to the next level, they all cried. But when we got there in 09 and 10, no one was ranting.

Some were saying play the kids... but had he played the kids, who's to say we would have wona flag let alone made succesive GF's?

Lyon was not hired to rebuild the club / list. He was hired to make the most of what we had and go the next level.

Hindsight is an easy way to say if he was right or wrong. Regardless, he made the decisions he thought were needed at the time... rightly or wrongly.

I'd just like to know what his draft strategy was in 2008. Ignore ready made players and go for long term developments. Followed by a complete reversal in 2009, because we can obviously walk on water.

Or was it a shock when the team made a grab for the flag in 2009?
( I kind of think the Leigh Tudor forward pressure thing may have taken him by surprise ).

 

[Squizz]

This guy was supposed to take us to the next level, they all cried. But when we got there in 09 and 10, no one was ranting.

Some of us were expressing concern during 2010 (and post 2009 with Lovett and even further back with Brad Howard, Matthew Clarke and Fraser Gehrig).