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Review Round 1 Western Bulldogs
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Ben the Gooner
Stand by Hird
Agreed.
It was a valid point, but I thought Spike (although he played well) should have been with Myers as too slow on occasions.
I think Hank will come in when fit. yaco said to me today that Hirdy tends to pick guys with a tougher body, and if there's a 50/50 call, the bigger body will win out. If it's between Hank and Howlett for example, Hank has the bigger body.
Williams is a different kettle of fish. His defensive presence has been excellent so far this pre-season. If he can maintain that but add some more of a goal threat he'll be back in. Crameri, as an example of a fringe forward, has shown he's capable of bobbing up for goals.
Obviously Prismall's attacking efforts weren't good enough, despite his strong defense. If he's outside our 22, we've got excellent selection pressure.
Myers just isn't working for me, maybe a move to the middle will help ?
Ben the Gooner
Stand by Hird
And who replaces him at CHB?
yaco55
Hall of Famer
Sj
It must be late at night !
Dempsey will survive if he can hold his opponent - Last 2 coaching panels have decided that dempsey will be a defender.
yaco55
Hall of Famer
You move or drop Myers when he ic consistently beaten by his direct opponent - This hasn't occurred YET.
Not sold on that theory, tbh. As long as their is a decent enough balance I don't think size will really come into it. They will just go with the best option. Slattery is hard at it but so is Spike. If Spike was more of a softer player It might be different.
Williams would have to be a long way off Crameri at this point in time. Don't thi nk we will be seeing him any time soon.
Yes yes and the beers are wearing off.
This is what I alluded to earlier when I asked why everyone is concentrating so much on how many kicls the guy got and talking about SC scores.
He was actually pretty handy today and he kept Grant pretty quiet. Grant is a dangerous player. Over on the Bulldogs board they were going on about how Fletcher wouldn't even be quick enough to stop him.
His primary role was to stop his opponent and he did a pretty good job. Grant kicked 1 and he kicked 1 himself.
I've been told that the coaching staff are a bit of a wrap for Myers and Hooker so the people wanting Myers gone might be in for a bit of a wait.
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Yes, looking back over the tape this morning, I would have to agree although I stand by my original assessment.
Why spike doesn't hurt us so much is because:
- Smart positioning
- Great decision making
- Very good disposal
When spike gets it.. it goes to a bomber and thus gives him time to man up. When myers gets it... well we all know what happens
There is no doubt Spike has lost a yard but I thought he was great.. opposed to myers who was poor by any measure.
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People focus on SC scores because lots of guys play SC! Also SC is based on champion data stats which are USED by AFL clubs to determine performance. It is NO secret on here (or at the club) that Myers has talent (we picked him at 6 remember) but at this stage it is not translating to performance.
I would hardly call Grant a game breaker yet.. despite what the doggies fans may want! He is still a young man earning his stripes. It would be like Lake keeping Crameri quiet.. we would hardly say that Crameri was an ëxcellent" player whilst he is improving etc etc
I think the days of a defender "minding"one player and that being their role per se.. are over. I think that role may be played by 1 perhaps 2 defenders, those being the key position players of say pears, hooker but our "running"HBF such as dempsey, myers etc will be expected to keep their man quiet AND provide run through the middle.. myers doesn't do that because he makes too many errors with the ball and is too slow.
But you were right in saying the coaching panel have great faith in him and he will probably play out the year.
Ben the Gooner
Stand by Hird
Yes, looking back over the tape this morning, I would have to agree although I stand by my original assessment.
Why spike doesn't hurt us so much is because:
- Smart positioning
- Great decision making
- Very good disposal
When spike gets it.. it goes to a bomber and thus gives him time to man up. When myers gets it... well we all know what happens
There is no doubt Spike has lost a yard but I thought he was great.. opposed to myers who was poor by any measure.
Spike was excellent, certainly.
One criticism I have of him is that he overestimates his pace, gets caught and tries to break the tackle rather than disposing of it. Didn't detract from his game much, but it's a little thing I noticed.
I thought Myers was very good. Grant barely got a look in.
It's stupid isn't it.
"Drop him for Davey"... seriously... Alwyn will go really well at CHB on Adam Goodes next week
Myers has been just ok. Stopped his man (again) but a few bad mistakes.
When he does kick it, it's OK. It's when he stops or takes too long to make a decision that he fails.
Young tall back holding their man = doing OK.
No Pears or Daniher until further notice = he is in the side.
Deal with it.
McVeigh will thrive under Hird and again showed his talent with the ball in hand yesterday.
Stanton (after making a couple of mistakes early) played a wonderful game of hard running and link play.
Our forward line worked really well and took advantage of the poor WB defense.
A lot of pleasing signs, but now comes the real test, backing up interstate.
Stanton (after making a couple of mistakes early) played a wonderful game of hard running and link play.
Our forward line worked really well and took advantage of the poor WB defense.
A lot of pleasing signs, but now comes the real test, backing up interstate.
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Yeah.. BTG.. rare for us to agree on anything but your Spike comment is prob spot on. I would expect Hird to say something very much along those lines to Mark when they roll through the tape. Play to your limits and ability and it is still ok rather than think you are a young man etc..
We will continue to disagree on Myers.. but as has been the case for our last 4 disagreements.. you'll come to my side at the end of the season.
And to remind you:
Such is life
We will continue to disagree on Myers.. but as has been the case for our last 4 disagreements.. you'll come to my side at the end of the season.
And to remind you:
- Knights WAS a shit coach (Correct)
- Gumbleton isn't really good enough for our top 22 and has been passed by younger guys (Correct)
- Dyson won't make the top 22 by choice this year (Correct)
- Jetta will become a midfield lock (Correct)
- Myers, despite his high draft pick, is a waste and won't reach the heights you NEED a pick 6 to reach..
Such is life
Ben the Gooner
Stand by Hird
What?
Gumbleton is injured.
I agreed completely with Jetta and Dyson.
What about Houli? Shit under Knights, shit under the messiah Hardwick. Didn't include that big fat incorrect on your list.
What a load of self congratulating wank.
Gumbleton is injured.
I agreed completely with Jetta and Dyson.
What about Houli? Shit under Knights, shit under the messiah Hardwick. Didn't include that big fat incorrect on your list.
What a load of self congratulating wank.
That is not surprising from him though. Seems to take a while to get going & often has a shocking 1st couple of touches.
Great game after the first 5 minutes.
Not mine. Very smart, creative.Another that i think flew a little under the radar was Melksham.
Played an outstanding game and also noticed that he loved to kick it to Hurley
Yeah but Pears was like terrible he like barely got a kick and like he was like totally playing like full-back.
Myers is, for the moment, playing CHB. That is the job he is being asked to do, {regardless of your little ideas} so let's judge him on that.
At the end of the day he played on a kid exactly the same age, as close draft position as you could get, and as close in experience as you could get, and beat him.
Side note - I don't (at all) see why Pears is Mr Lockdown and why Myers has to be Mr Run-and-carry, bar their initial positions (FB & HBF).
Myer's strengths is in the contest, Pears does that as well as runs & carries very well. IMHO it'd make a lot more sense to just accept what Myers does do pretty well & work with that.
The "YOU NEED A PICK 6 TO BE YOUR BEST PLAYER" brigade will have their little vendetta but if we end up with a decent versatile player that's at least something.
GoldenboyHird_5
All Australian
This bit here is spot on.
What annoys me, and probably many others, is that there are still people here that overrate his performances and, in doing so, pump him up to be one of our better/best players.
The reality is that he'll be a solid player who'll have his good and bad patches over the entirety of a game. Would be pretty content with that given his injuries and the limitations on his game.
we lock the ball into our forward line for approx 75% of the game.
Yet people are judging a defender because he didn't score enough SC points.
Crazy.
I watched the replay last night after being at the game, and Myers actually did ok. I don't get the haters
Yet people are judging a defender because he didn't score enough SC points.
Crazy.
I watched the replay last night after being at the game, and Myers actually did ok. I don't get the haters
Best game from Stanton in a couple of years. I'm not a massive stats person, but I think he would have had more touches in a game in the last 2 years, but, I have at times found him to be a little bit selfish with his play. Today, I saw a committed, fit, selfless guy who has probably taken on board a bit of constructive criticism in recent times, and is having a massive crack and "righting the wrongs". Really impressive.
Jetta, just what we needed to see. Do this every week, and you will be as valuable as any player in the side.
McVeigh, the McVeigh of old, brilliant, have missed him, great to have him back!
Hardingham, lock him in the side for as many games as he stays fit this year. Fearless attack on the By the way, lets just hope he lands a few hangers that he flies for, as he can rival Paddy and Hille for marks of the year.
Heppell, is exactly what a top 10 draft pick should be. Ready to play AFL footy. For so long we have gone with project players, speculative picks and ignored the best player. Finally, we have picked the best available player and in one game, he has confirmed it was the right decision. It does not matter if someone picked below him turns out to be a better player, it just matters that we picked a guy who is an AFL player, he is busting his arse, and making a difference already! Well done Essendon, well done Dyson.
Melksham, probably showed today what we expected to see in the second half of last year. Not brilliant, but just a good solid game from a young guy. Started well last year, slipped back, appears to have made up the lost ground and some. Lets hope the curve keeps moving upwards, cos he has all the tools to be an Essendon star.
Myers, I thought he was quite impressive today. As has been said elsewhere, looked more assured and confident, kicked well, on the upwards curve.
Monfries, quiet day, lets just hope that is all it is. Has probably been one of our most "talented" forwards for a while. I am assuming that this has given him a bit of a "guaranteed spot" in the side. Let's hope that the questions Hird is asking of all aren't creating doubts in his mind, or making him doubt his own ability, as he is definitely a vital member of the forward line. I would prefer him to stop "appealing for free kicks, ie. rushed behinds on 4 occassions today, and also falling in contests a bit as well"
Dempsey, same as Jetta. Just by playing the way they naturally play, they are eye catching. If he just goes about doing his jobs for the team the way he did today, he will be as important as any member of the side. Maybe that is the problem that he has had, in that he has been striving to do that bit extra to cement his spot, and that has bought him undone. By just being "normal" today, I thought he was outstanding. You can't buy pace like his!
Yeah, the one that resulted in a goal was bordering on embarressing. Let's hope he can toughen up that side of his game, but, lets not worry too much. Not many 18 year olds can do 100% of the things required in AFL football 100% of the time.
Great win. Just cruised in the last qtr.
The bottom line for me is the style and intensity of football we are playing is likely to see a drop off at some point (and possibly a high rate of injuries). Each early wins will help and hopefully by season end we hang onto a finals spot and set up for another surge.
Realisticially, if we can finish in the 8 its been an outstanding year for improvement providing a platform for a bona fide crack at Top 4 in 2012.
Mind you its Collingwood and the rest, so a top 4 spot is possible simply becuase other teams could drop off the pace (Cats, Saints, Bullies) and others step up.
Love the way we are playing.
The bottom line for me is the style and intensity of football we are playing is likely to see a drop off at some point (and possibly a high rate of injuries). Each early wins will help and hopefully by season end we hang onto a finals spot and set up for another surge.
Realisticially, if we can finish in the 8 its been an outstanding year for improvement providing a platform for a bona fide crack at Top 4 in 2012.
Mind you its Collingwood and the rest, so a top 4 spot is possible simply becuase other teams could drop off the pace (Cats, Saints, Bullies) and others step up.
Love the way we are playing.
Agree with the entire post but I think this bit is a very good point to raise.
The staging hurt us once or twice, and should've been more. Not what we need.
loved the rapturous reception Fletch got when he finished up for the day in the last quarter. Goddamn that man is a rolled gold champion
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Ok i have only watched the game once on replay because i was at TAC games all day yesterday but did i miss something ?
Did we or did we not carve up one of the premiership chances by 10 goals and people are still crapping on about how good or bad player x or z are ?
I thought most played well and did their bit, yes mistakes where made but they where made by all at times.
Coming off last years finishing debacle i am stuffed if i know why anyone is looking for negatives out of the game.
Ok i have only watched the game once on replay because i was at TAC games all day yesterday but did i miss something ?
Did we or did we not carve up one of the premiership chances by 10 goals and people are still crapping on about how good or bad player x or z are ?
I thought most played well and did their bit, yes mistakes where made but they where made by all at times.
Coming off last years finishing debacle i am stuffed if i know why anyone is looking for negatives out of the game.
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