Roast Rhys Palmer

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daiks said:
wish people would get off this guys back.

his field kicking this year has been great (made one clanger against brisbane) and his kicking into the 50 has been his highlight so far IMO.

the media smashed this kid and made him believe that he had a problem with his kicking, which was news to me. i knew he had the ability to float one under pressure but dont all gut running mids do this?

for all the people asking for lower to come in for palmer, ask yourself this:

would lower have been able to run and make the same space that palmer did to enable himself to have 2 easy shots on goal?
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Lower could play the role of the high half forward equally as well.

And he has significant problems with his disposal, those clangers are not something you can carry for long.

I have noticed Rhys loading up longer before he diposes of the ball, it takes longer to kick and you can actively see him trying to correct his flaw.

However, is the AFL the correct forum for him to rectify this issue or the slower pace of the WAFL?

If he keeps taking an eternity to get rid of the ball coaches will pick up on it, and he will get caught which will then stir cries that he has lost pace.

He hasnt, he's just shit scared of kicking.

Fremantle are trying to cover this defiency by playing him in the same vein as one Rowan Jones, a power runner creating space across half forward whilst slowing the play down with ball in hand.

It might work, but I believe both Rhys and the club would be better served by sending him back to the WAFL to work on his disposal and giving him some much needed confidence.

Hopefully it will allow him to go back to the middle where he is much better suited.

Personally, I would be bringing in Crichton or Lower to take the spot of Palmer whilst he finds some form and confidence.
 
His first quarter was really good, he was on the ball and around the footy. Looked back to his old self and then he got moved forward again and spent way too much time off the field for my liking.
This sub rule should be suiting a guy with his running ability, insetad we are wasting his strength by sitting him forward and on the pine.
 

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I don't get the calls for Lower to replace Palmer. He's hardly outperformed Palmer this season and long term I don't think he has anywhere near the potential either. If anything, Lower has even more question marks on his game than Palmer.

I'm not trying to be critical of Lower here, but what exactly has he done to earn everyone's support that Palmer hasn't done? What is it that Lower is capable of doing that Palmer isn't? Other than Lower being another shiny new rookie draft pick for Fremantle supporters to hide the pile of junk we've accumulated over the years with I don't really get it.
 
Lower's done a little bit more than Palmer. Not a lot more, but a little bit. More contested possessions, more clearances - the things you want a grunt midfielder to be good at.

That said, I don't see the debate as being between those two, nor do I think Palmer is problematic for the side. He's done a pretty good job the past two weeks without being spectacular.
 
Good to see Palmer given a fair go by most round here now.

Anyone remember late in the first or maybe early in the 2nd Pavlich had 2 absolutely dreadful clangers going into forward 50 within the space of about 2 mins.
Yet barely gets a mention.

Now if that was Palmer that made them shocking clangers under little to no pressure, he would have been massacared on here.

He is still a fair way off his best but most of that is upstairs in his head.
Club needs to sned him to the shrink, do everything possible to get his head right.
Coz if they can get him just going out there an playing football without a care in the world like when he first started he can be a gun again.

He wasnt overrated by us just coz it was his first season like we see with many other youngsters.
He really was that damn good in 2008.
So good he was copping teams best taggers on him yet he was still able to rack up the disposals an kick at 65 or 67% disposal eff for the year.

Still no player can be excused for missing from less than 40 out with little angle.
Dont care how much great stuff they do throughout the game misses like that are inexcuseable.

Not dropped but need to know its not acceptable.
 
prattsta said:
I don't get the calls for Lower to replace Palmer. He's hardly outperformed Palmer this season and long term I don't think he has anywhere near the potential either. If anything, Lower has even more question marks on his game than Palmer.

I'm not trying to be critical of Lower here, but what exactly has he done to earn everyone's support that Palmer hasn't done? What is it that Lower is capable of doing that Palmer isn't? Other than Lower being another shiny new rookie draft pick for Fremantle supporters to hide the pile of junk we've accumulated over the years with I don't really get it.
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Penertration on his kicks, better decison making and better clearance work.

Like I said Lower and Palmer are fighting for the same spot. All things equal, I'd give the nod to the bloke who can kick.
 
MrMarkLatham said:
Like I said Lower and Palmer are fighting for the same spot. All things equal, I'd give the nod to the bloke who can kick.
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They're not fighting for the same spot though. Palmer has spent bugger all time in the midfield - the only game where he spent the majority of his TOG in an on-ball role was the Geelong game, when he was the substitute. Lower has spent his time exclusively in the midfield.
 
So we're suggesting Pitt will get a game ahead of Palmer. Hmmm.... I don't think so. It would be Chrichton for Pitt. Pitt's had his little run and has shown glimpses of form and oodles of footballing tripe.

I'd suggest Lower might come in for Suban. Palmer to stay.

And for Plugga. If Schammer had half Palmer's ability to win his own ball he might still be in the team. Unfortunately, blessed with elite slowness and the disposal skills of a 9 year old, Scham's real weakness in Harvey's eyes is his inability to win contests -- even at WAFL level.
 
Clay Davis said:
Lower's done a little bit more than Palmer. Not a lot more, but a little bit. More contested possessions, more clearances - the things you want a grunt midfielder to be good at.
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That is because when Lower played he was in the midfield. Palmer has played predominantly in the forward line.

prattsta said:
I don't get the calls for Lower to replace Palmer.
I'm not trying to be critical of Lower here, but what exactly has he done to earn everyone's support that Palmer hasn't done? What is it that Lower is capable of doing that Palmer isn't? Other than Lower being another shiny new rookie draft pick for Fremantle supporters to hide the pile of junk we've accumulated over the years with I don't really get it.
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Lower has scored more DT/SC points that Palmer therefore that must mean he is a better player.
 
Palmer's confidence seems to be coming back. Yes he has the yips in front of goal, however the improvement from how he was playing last year is encouraging. He needs more AFL games not time in the WAFL.
 

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As mentioned before if he had kicked those goals then this debate would have less to it.
The bloke for my mind is slowly starting to come back to confidence & form .
Lower for me was hard done by me to be dropped last week & it must have been his 6 or 8 clangers he was attributed to have & then probably more to the fact that they wanted Van Berlo to run with Harvey .

I am reckoning that Palmer , because of the GWS rumours , is being made a scapegoat not unlike McPhee was like year.

If he is picked in our 21 it is because the team selection committee deem that he is worthy of a spot.
These blokes I trust over anyone else !!!
 
bfff said:
Palmer's confidence seems to be coming back. Yes he has the yips in front of goal, however the improvement from how he was playing last year is encouraging. He needs more AFL games not time in the WAFL.
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I agree with your last comment, but you must be on drugs if you think his confidence is coming back. Yesterday was as bad as i've seen him - at one stage he handed it off to Sandi despite being in a better position to kick it. Despite that, he really should have had 4 goals and we'd be raving about his game. He moved really well and ran forward at the right times.
 
MrMarkLatham said:
Penertration on his kicks, better decison making and better clearance work.

Like I said Lower and Palmer are fighting for the same spot. All things equal, I'd give the nod to the bloke who can kick.
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Palmer had a pretty solid game yesterday and seems to be getting better each week. At times his skills are a little off but more times than not he does the right thing. People are writing off a young player too soon.

Lower is 1/2th the footballer that Palmer is. I think people here are thinking that he is the second coming of Micky Barlow. He is not. Lower is the depth player on our list not Rhys. He should not get a game before our kids. I would much rather see Jesse Crichton replace Suban this week.
 
Puregold said:
Palmer had a pretty solid game yesterday and seems to be getting better each week. At times his skills are a little off but more times than not he does the right thing. People are writing off a young player too soon.

Lower is 1/2th the footballer that Palmer is. I think people here are thinking that he is the second coming of Micky Barlow. He is not. Lower is the depth player on our list not Rhys. He should not get a game before our kids. I would much rather see Jesse Crichton replace Suban this week.
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Point 1 : Second thoughts?

Point 2 : Looked totally lost in the game... dunno his stats. Should have been subbed off earlier IMO.
 
Freodoc said:
Point 2 : Looked totally lost in the game... dunno his stats. Should have been subbed off earlier IMO.
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Big difference in tempo between playing for peel and the top level. First game for the year, has the ethic and can kick goals. Lower is ahead of Jesse ATM, I'd like to see both come on. Need to have excellent midfield depth for September.
 
Puregold said:
Palmer had a pretty solid game yesterday and seems to be getting better each week. At times his skills are a little off but more times than not he does the right thing. People are writing off a young player too soon.

Lower is 1/2th the footballer that Palmer is. I think people here are thinking that he is the second coming of Micky Barlow. He is not. Lower is the depth player on our list not Rhys. He should not get a game before our kids. I would much rather see Jesse Crichton replace Suban this week.
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Great point about people writing Palmer off too soon. I reckon its to do with the fact he started his career so well, we expect him to continue doing it. He'll be fine, just a bit of patience.
 
rgauci said:
Much better kick. Nowhere near the running capacity. Not even close.

Our forwardline with Palmer is much more functional than with Walters. Palmer will run a defender into the ground. They will be much less capable of running off him and rebounding from defence. The combined endurance of our forwardline is whats locking the ball in our forwardline. Swapping Walters with Palmer reduces our forward pressure immensely.

Palmer has got behind the defence on 1-2 occasions in our last 2 games. The difference between him and Walters is that he gets behind the defence by running hard. Walters gets behind the defence by lagging behind in a chase.
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Spot on.
 
I think Rhys is close to where db was when he came into the team.

He has a lot of endevour and works hard, it's only when he has time that his demons creep in. That's why I think Harves is playing him well atm, no time and plenty of extraction work.
 
paul8241 said:
I think Rhys is close to where db was when he came into the team.

He has a lot of endevour and works hard, it's only when he has time that his demons creep in. That's why I think Harves is playing him well atm, no time and plenty of extraction work.
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With all these close contests and only a goal or two seperating teams this is what may cost us at some stage.
 

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