Richmond are now equal bottom

[estibador]

Some teams finish middle tier continuously and keep getting middle tier players.

Port are a great example of a team who bottomed out then came back with talent.

Actually Port are the perfect example of how you don't need to bottom right out - you just need to draft well.

They may have been shit but thanks to the expansion clubs you have to go back to 2008 since they last had a top 5 pick.

 

[Syd]

Actually Port are the perfect example of how you don't need to bottom right out - you just need to draft well.

They may have been shit but thanks to the expansion clubs you have to go back to 2008 since they last had a top 5 pick.

You either have to draft well or be able to recognise critical shortages at your club, identify fringe talent at other clubs, trade away lower picks to recruit the right fringe players.

Later picks can still be gems (our 3rd rounders are generally better than our 1st round picks) given the extra time and development but recruiting almost ready players missing games at other clubs unearths the real gems.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

While Port have drafted well for sure, I think a lot of their improvement would also stem from getting quality into their footy department. Hinkley seems like a great motivator type coach and coupling that with their superior fitness levels - kudos to Darren Burgess (who incidentally, I believe has just signed an extension at Port and subsequently become the highest paid performance manager in the game today).

 

[Tedeski]

West Coast 2007 - 2008 is the biggest drop I have ever seen

Thankfully the rise between 2010 and 2011 is the biggest, so it sort of evens itself out.

Don't you mean "tankfully"?

 

[Son_Of_God29]

Actually Port are the perfect example of how you don't need to bottom right out - you just need to draft well.

They may have been shit but thanks to the expansion clubs you have to go back to 2008 since they last had a top 5 pick.

Well you have to go further back than that to see Geelong's last Top 5 pick the best the Cats have had is Pick 7 - Andrew Mackie and Joel Selwood that is the example of not bottoming out....ever

 

[nick1408]

Well you have to go further back than that to see Geelong's last Top 5 pick the best the Cats have had is Pick 7 - Andrew Mackie and Joel Selwood that is the example of not bottoming out....ever

I think a few Father-Son picks helped Geelong out. Not disparaging them, just not a fair comparassion of a team not bottoming out

 

[Saint_J]

WTF has happened to the Tigs this year? personally i thought top 6 this stage 14 for sure. is there such a thing as a finals berth hangover?

 

[rocket18]

Actually Port are the perfect example of how you don't need to bottom right out - you just need to draft well.

They may have been shit but thanks to the expansion clubs you have to go back to 2008 since they last had a top 5 pick.

I will probably get shot down in flames but I thought (heard from somewhere) Port had the most 1st round picks on their list than any other club (bar GWS & GC obviously)

 

[estibador]

I will probably get shot down in flames but I thought (heard from somewhere) Port had the most 1st round picks on their list than any other club (bar GWS & GC obviously)

Everyone gets a first round pick every year though.

If you're talking about the difference between a team like Richmond putting the cue in the rack or fighting out the season then it's only really top 5 picks that are relevant. You can still fight out the season and get a first rounder in the 6-10 range, which is where Port have picked up a lot of their gems recently.

 

[syl]

The Dees have gone past the Tiges.

 

[etsal1]

Actually Port are the perfect example of how you don't need to bottom right out - you just need to draft well.

They may have been shit but thanks to the expansion clubs you have to go back to 2008 since they last had a top 5 pick.

Which is why you have to laugh when Hardwick complains about having to rebuild with one hand tied back their back because of the expansion teams.

I even cringe whenever Sticks says it about all the expansion teams stealing all the good KP prospects.

Port did a great job. Geelong, Hawthorn & Sydney have all managed to keep regenerating their lists despite the compromised drafts.

Any club (including my own) blaming compromised drafts on their failures is a cop out. Our failures our based on inferior list management decisions & development programs.

 

[Port 2004]

I will probably get shot down in flames but I thought (heard from somewhere) Port had the most 1st round picks on their list than any other club (bar GWS & GC obviously)

That maybe true, although I am not sure. But Port has never actually bottomed out. We had a few crapp years post 2008, but we never finished bottom, never received a priority pick and like other clubs, had to contend with compomised drafts due to the expansion club. We have also traded in a least 3 first rounders in Schultz, Monfries and Polek. We also received 2 first rounders when Burgoyne left for the Hawks.

 

[Iron]

That maybe true, although I am not sure. But Port has never actually bottomed out. We had a few crapp years post 2008, but we never finished bottom, never received a priority pick and like other clubs, had to contend with compomised drafts due to the expansion club. We have also traded in a least 3 first rounders in Schultz, Monfries and Polek. We also received 2 first rounders when Burgoyne left for the Hawks.

Bottoming out doesn't mean finishing last... And I think beating Gold Coast in their first year by percentage alone counts. With that being said, you were far more effective with your trade picks than GWS, which is why you've got cattle like Wingard and Wines.

 

[Port 2004]

Bottoming out doesn't mean finishing last... And I think beating Gold Coast in their first year by percentage alone counts. With that being said, you were far more effective with your trade picks than GWS, which is why you've got cattle like Wingard and Wines.

Point taken. But I still don't think we actually bottomed out. We definitely managed to grab some good players along the way including late draft picks who have developed into good players.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

I will probably get shot down in flames but I thought (heard from somewhere) Port had the most 1st round picks on their list than any other club (bar GWS & GC obviously)

That's because they traded players/picks for players drafted in the 1st round and signed free agents who were players drafted in the 1st round.

 

[OFFtheBALL]

About as long as it took for Richmond's season to go down the toilet.

not as long as it has taken for you guys to get remotely close to a flag? youve had long enough to pull at least one back off us. LOL

 

[rocket18]

That's because they traded players/picks for players drafted in the 1st round and signed free agents who were players drafted in the 1st round.

Agree, you have done very well with recruiting and trading in/out players, whilst not finishing last I would have thought equal last on percentage is close enough to bottoming out.

Your list management compared to the Melbourne (Carlton/Richmond/Melbourne) clubs has been exceptional. Your period down the ladder happened with the compromised expansion picks so instead of getting picks 2 or 3 you were getting 5 & 6 and yet you have assembled a list the envy of these Melbourne clubs.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Some teams finish middle tier continuously and keep getting middle tier players.

Just one theory, Collingwood have played in finals for 9 consecutive years and managed to get 2 of the top 10 draft picks last year. Not to mention the rookies they've been able to unearth.

Having a decent development system and good personal in place is the most important thing.

 

[Tiger71]

The Dees have gone past the Tiges.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

hold onto that dream syl. Lets see how the rest of the year pans out. You guys have been so very very very bad that even though you have only one more game then us and have a worst percentage, your mob is spoken about massive improvement and talked up. Melbourne would have to be the most talked up 4 win team I have ever heard lol

 

[TigerTime88]

Just one theory, Collingwood have played in finals for 9 consecutive years and managed to get 2 of the top 10 draft picks last year. Not to mention the rookies they've been able to unearth.

Having a decent development system and good personal in place is the most important thing.

Clearly important. But Collingwood well and truly set themselves up in the 2005 and 2008 draft. I think our drafting has been good and that we over achieved last year and under achieved this year. Think we will see significant improvement when Vlaustin/Conca/Ellis get another pre season or two in and produce what they have shown they can on a more consistent basis. Think the drafting has been there and it needs to continue on the same path (bar recycle) and we will move forward. Keep drafting good kids and put good people around them and the tide will turn.

 

[theyellowsash]

I will probably get shot down in flames but I thought (heard from somewhere) Port had the most 1st round picks on their list than any other club (bar GWS & GC obviously)

actually i think it was carlton with 14 or something, who actually have more than gc and i think maybe gws too, like port a lot traded in. i think port were the 4th, and last was brisbane with only 6 or so. was on sen earlier in the week.

 

[Boppo]

Trade Martin out bring in some character and work ethic to help cotchin.

 

[Trav 20]

Another ripping crowd of 34K in prime time on a Friday night from the loyal army of die-hard Tiger fans.

Brilliant stuff.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Another ripping crowd of 34K in prime time on a Friday night from the loyal army of die-hard Tiger fans.

Brilliant stuff.

Slumbering Tiger got hit with a tranq dart before it could even bring itself to its feet.

 

[wowlace]

Another ripping crowd of 34K in prime time on a Friday night from the loyal army of die-hard Tiger fans.

Brilliant stuff.

Piss poor crowd for supposed top 4 contender.