Riewoldt - how good is he really?

[MrSquashed]

Then who is on the fringe? If the coach was asked which three players were the least talented of the group, those three would be up there. (not that they'd every answer that question.

Their importance to the lineup is critical, however they are fresh in the team and still have to prove their worth. And on current form, we are wasting potential on a young kid who might be able to IMPROVE our on ground running side. I would love to see 3-4 kids blooded this year, but that'll be impossible when we take such a conservative approach. And one time we get injuries we are ****ed!
Those three are possibilites to drop for a youngster to get a game. The other possibities would be the young kids (McVeigh basically) and Mathews, Chambers, LRT (in that order).

What can't just accept our side cannot improve. There is always a weak like or 4.


Okay. Nick Riewoldt, a person like Nick, whatever. You are letting your emotions get ahead of clear judgement.

I was at the game in 1994 (I think) where Tony "Plugga" Lockett lifted his elbow, lifted off the ground and attempt to destroy Peter Cavens face. Happened right in front of me. However, when he came up in time for the trade and he wanted to go to Sydney, I thought I hate that guy (I was 10 or 11), but thought that he would add a bit to our side (as you should know we were stuggling, even if you were 4.

As it turns out he ADDED GREATLY to the TEAM to help take us to our first grand final since 1945.


You might not like them, but as a football supporter you need to learn to apreciate the skills of the great players of the game, regardless of what team you support. If a bloke from the opposition take a "speccie" (flashy mark) I will clap them, regardless if I am going for my team at the time.
What makes our game great is the amount of spectacular moments the stars of the game give us, and the elite of the national playing this sport. You have to approve brilliance.

He is a brilliant player at his best (Hall wasn't as consistant) and when he plays his worst if team mates struggle. If that is the case then I reckon he'd be a hell of a bloke to build a team around....

i think that because this topic is already so far offtopic, it was originally about riewoldt, then it turned into riewoldt going to sydney thread (as almost every thread with a decent player in it does...) then it turned into Nat is a ****** thread so I thought I would just top it off with...

cheers Nat, shut up please, so support the swans in silence, and if u have a membership, goto the freakin matches and let us be.

 

[natlovestheswans]

Then who is on the fringe? If the coach was asked which three players were the least talented of the group, those three would be up there. (not that they'd every answer that question.

Their importance to the lineup is critical, however they are fresh in the team and still have to prove their worth. And on current form, we are wasting potential on a young kid who might be able to IMPROVE our on ground running side. I would love to see 3-4 kids blooded this year, but that'll be impossible when we take such a conservative approach. And one time we get injuries we are ****ed!
Those three are possibilites to drop for a youngster to get a game. The other possibities would be the young kids (McVeigh basically) and Mathews, Chambers, LRT (in that order).

I think really only McVeigh would be the possibility for getting dropped.. that's the way i see it. I can't believe you are saying Mathews has a chance? He's in the leadership group and obviously is a vital part of their team. I think saying we'd drop him is like saying we'd drop of player like C.Bolton or Micky (seeing he's not at his best anymore).. I just don't see that happening.
Also, i really don't think we'll be dropping Chambers.. i mean unless a player like Doyle would come back into the team and replace him. I think Chambers is improving though and unless he gets injured he won't be going anywhere.

What can't just accept our side cannot improve. There is always a weak like or 4.


Okay. Nick Riewoldt, a person like Nick, whatever. You are letting your emotions get ahead of clear judgement.

I was at the game in 1994 (I think) where Tony "Plugga" Lockett lifted his elbow, lifted off the ground and attempt to destroy Peter Cavens face. Happened right in front of me. However, when he came up in time for the trade and he wanted to go to Sydney, I thought I hate that guy (I was 10 or 11), but thought that he would add a bit to our side (as you should know we were stuggling, even if you were 4.

As it turns out he ADDED GREATLY to the TEAM to help take us to our first grand final since 1945.

So a bit like saying we'll have Matt Mcquire in the team? Haha. Except he's got a bad attitude and yeah.. i won't get in an argument about him now.

You might not like them, but as a football supporter you need to learn to apreciate the skills of the great players of the game, regardless of what team you support. If a bloke from the opposition take a "speccie" (flashy mark) I will clap them, regardless if I am going for my team at the time.
What makes our game great is the amount of spectacular moments the stars of the game give us, and the elite of the national playing this sport. You have to approve brilliance.

I will aswell, at times. Like at the Geelong game like 5 rounds back when that guy took that great mark, ofcourse i clapped and was impressed. But in other games when it's closer and more is on the line.. then i wouldn't. Hm, for instance in the GF when Adam Hunter got the Eagles 2nd goal of the last quarter and it was pretty clear that he pushed C. Bolton out.. i was furious.. but on the otherhand if it was Sydney who got the mark and who was going for goal then i would have been screaming at the Eagles players to get over it.

I do think we are all like that, even though everyone on here is saying they are a supporter of the AFL, i'm not really.. i don't care about any other team except my own, i don't care if a team wins by 300 points, aslong as my team wins.

He is a brilliant player at his best (Hall wasn't as consistant) and when he plays his worst if team mates struggle. If that is the case then I reckon he'd be a hell of a bloke to build a team around....

Is he a player that can grow to be consistent? Because i haven't seen that from him. Barry may have not been consistent all the time, years back.. but look at him now. Even if he's not kicking the goals, he is a great leader, an unselfish player and he won't give up. Proof of this was last Sunday.. Bazza totally stepped up, he did kick the goals and set some up aswell.

 

[crazy_big_al]

as good as my nanna

 

[the_messiah]

I'm not taking a crack at him for the sake of it, but as a serious question, how much value to St.Kilda is Nick Riewoldt?

At the moment he's not playing as a leadup CHF, he's playing that Carey-30m from goal sort of spot, although he does rotate up the ground a bit. When playing this position he doesn't kick a lot of goals, as we all know his kicking is pretty poor at goal.

Is he more use as a "conventional" CHF, or maybe even as a FF (post-Gherig)? Jonothan Brown is the example of how to play that Carey role. Riewoldt's nowhere near that at the moment.

He's been built up as the GOAT, as a challanger to Judd, Brown, Hall and co for the best player in the league, but is he really just being used wrongly by St.Kilda or is he significantly overrated?

Lol yeah its true...but he's probably the ONLY player in the AFL that can play as Gehrig, Hamill, Kozichke and Milne...becoz those other 4 forward line players are injured/ or not in form.
Im sure it'd be pretty tough for anyone if the rest of the forward line was useless. Constantly he gets doubleteamed..but manages to play well.

 

[TheMase]

Okay. I think I give up as well...

 

[LittleSchneider]

Join the club - shes as dense as a brick wall.

 

[LittleSchneider]

Surely you jest!

She doesnt understand Shakespeare - its too advanced for her

 

[person077]

Those clubs being? I can certaintly tell you Sydney would have no room what-so-ever for him.. nor would we want him.

oh i see...so your speaking on behalf of the sydney coaching staff?

 

[Bourky23]

Every team would take him the guyz a superstar end of story

 

[1980]

Great player but we'll see how good he is this weekend against the Swannies. If the Saints go down, thats another year without a premeirship fight.

Is he the next Carey? Carey would lift his team when the season was on the line. Lets see what Riewoldt is made of.

 

[Trump]

Good, cant be seen as great, rarely turns it on against quality opponents.

When he starts performing, winning games off his own boot against decent sides then we should all rate him. At the moment a good player.

 

[natlovestheswans]

She doesnt understand Shakespeare - its too advanced for her

I see you're speaking for me now? Actually i do understand Shakespeare i've read Othello, MacBeth, King Lear and seen productions for them aswell so that shows how much you know.
You want to keep insulting my intelligence then go ahead because really, do you think anyone here cares? You want to score points with the members of this forum by insulting a fellow Sydney supporter.. it's really not the way to do it.

oh i see...so your speaking on behalf of the sydney coaching staff?

The funny thing is that all these other people have said Sydney would have him.. so they are doing exactly the same thing..

 

[saintsrule]

Word of advice to natlovestheswans

Sometimes it is better to say nothing and let people think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

[bluejay]

I can't believe she's older than me.

LOL. That was a funny remark Bellablaise.

 

[Truth Personified]

Really, he's very good. Cant be classifies great, just yet.

 

[F/D]

Firstly sweetie, i'm a girl. Secondly Sydney's forward line.. Hall, Davis, O'Keefe, Micky and then like Schneider, Buchanan and so on.. so why the hell would we want Riewoldt?

O'Keefe - Hall - Riewoldt
Schneider - O'Loughlin - Davis

That would be awesome, there is definately room there.

 

[bangko-bangko]

Good, cant be seen as great, rarely turns it on against quality opponents.

When he starts performing, winning games off his own boot against decent sides then we should all rate him. At the moment a good player.

How many times you seen him play?

 

[Truth Personified]

How many times you seen him play?

Perhaps you should respond to his assumption?

 

[Lazy Dave]

The awnser is very good that is evidenced by people not thinking Riewoldt is at his best when he has kicked 30 goals taken the 3rd most marks and top 5 in contested marks.

He is our best player by a fair way and is building towards having a better season than 2004 when he was regarded by many the best player in the game.

People saying Brown is consistent is foolish he has never been top 5 in the Best and Fairest or made all australian or even kicked over 50 goals in a year.

And to the person who even compared LRT to Riewoldt is absolutely kidding themselves whomever it is must be a comedian because I found it very funny.

Your right about LRT but give me Jonathan Brown anytime. Riewoldt is an excellent player, but he isn't in the league of Jonathan Brown. He doesn't have the presence like JB. Brown destroys players and games, he is another Carey in is hey day. He intimidates players and games and I am sure there wouldn't be to many people who would take Riewoldt before JB. He has to get more c**t in him and take the games by the neck. Brown does this regularely.

 

[giantsully]

As a utility player, up with the very best in the competition atm including Goodes and Burton.

As a CHF, comes after Hall, Brown, Tredrea, Lucas, Neitz - at least. Needs to learn to kick straight before he can become anywhere near great.

 

[Lazy Dave]

Word of advice to natlovestheswans

Sometimes it is better to say nothing and let people think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

From an outsider looking in, I think you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Truth Personified]

As a utility player, up with the very best in the competition atm including Goodes and Burton.

As a CHF, comes after Hall, Brown, Tredrea, Lucas, Neitz - at least. Needs to learn to kick straight before he can become anywhere near great.

Pavlich??

 

[bangko-bangko]

Perhaps you should respond to his assumption?

thought I did!

 

[bangko-bangko]

Pavlich??

Pavlich stands out cos he plays in a crap team

 

[LittleSchneider]

Oi natlovestheswans - MATTHEWS HAS BEEN DROPPED.....hahhahahaa. Guess Roos sees what us fans see, well most of us, then huh.