Riewoldt or Brown

[Rabid Mongrel]

I now understand why so many Saints fans have trouble with this thread. Its not that they seriously overrate Riewoldt, its that they seriously underrate Brown.

To take anything from this thread you need to view it without reading any comments from St Kilda fans. :club:

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Yep Brown won them on his own, didn't have the best team ever around him or anything.

Brown had one decent GF in that period, other than that his only decent final was against the Saints in 04 (a year they didn't win the comp).

Brown is truely one of the most overated players I have seen, put any CHF in that Lions team and they win.

Saints have had a fair team the last 4 or 5 years and have come up short.

Roo is a star, no doubt.

Put Brown in your GF team last year in place or Roo and you would have doubled the amount of premiership cups in the cupboard.

As for your Cam Mooney argument, plays his part, makes those around him walk a little taller, something Brown does in spades.

Don't think you can say the same about Roo, just ask Kosi.

 

[QueensofLeon]

Saints have had a fair team the last 4 or 5 years and have come up short.

Roo is a star, no doubt.

Put Brown in your GF team last year in place or Roo and you would have doubled the amount of premiership cups in the cupboard.

As for your Cam Mooney argument, plays his part, makes those around him walk a little taller, something Brown does in spades.

Don't think you can say the same about Roo, just ask Kosi.

If you are talking about my Cam Mooney comment you have totally missed what I was pointing out yes Cam does play his part but is he 3 times as good as Plugger as a forward because of his premiership medals. I just get sick and tired of people who rate a players abilities on premiership success. Yes you can count a teams success on Premierships but not singling out a players abilites

 

[DannyJ]

Franklin.

However, if you have a great side then I would take Brown as he is the better player when it matters most. If a ordinary side were going to take someone, I would say Roo as he is consistent ang great in H & A games.

 

[EddieMurphy]

Roo is actually a pretty good contested mark. I'd be interested to see peoples top 5 contested marks in the comp.

With all of the whining about Roos shirt lifting style of play it only seems to have entered his game around the end of last year. I'm sure he can get rid of it. Diving is not in the spirit of the game, but alot of other stuff that goes on is in the same boat, like being aware a paid goal was not a goal in a GF for example...

 

[beerbandit]

brown

 

[g_TRAIN]

Brown has a sub par record in finals - this point really annoys me, people go on about what a great player he is but seem to overlook the fact he has never dominated a finals match or even kicked more than 3 goals in a final on the MCG. On the other hand Roo's finals records is second to none aside from a slightly below par GF.

By the way I'm not saying finals performances mean everything but this is where so many judge Roo for on based on one match, ignoring the fact he has won us about 4 finals off his own boot something Brown has never done.

 

[Gozz]

Riewoldt is clearly the best in my mind. He's been dominating for years, Jonno Brown has two good games and suddenly he is better? What a steaming heap of sh*t.

The key reason St K are premiership contenders now is because of the day they drafted Riewoldt. If they had picked someone else the club would not be up their at the moment and would just be around with us and Essendon etc - not really challenging but being half decent.

The argument of premiership medals is just plain stupid. Jonno Brown won his cos he was part of a sweet team, not because of his dominance. If ST K win it will almost certainly be on the back of Riewoldt dominating.

The two hardly compare - Jonno Brown is nowhere near Riewoldt with his endurance and ability to read the play. It is a joke that on the back of playing good against an undermanned Carlton defence Brown can suddenly overtake years of Riewoldt being the better player. Disgrace.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

On the other hand Roo's finals records is second to none aside from a slightly below par GF.

it wasn't below par, he was close to worst on ground

 

[g_TRAIN]

it wasn't below par, he was close to worst on ground

No I think you will find Stevie J was worst on ground chump

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

No I think you will find Stevie J was worst on ground chump

nope

riewoldt constantly spoiled his teamates by trying to take mark of the year

had a negative impact on st kilda

the saints needed him to step up, and he failed

 

[maryjames]

I've heard of Brown but whos this Riewoldt OP speaks of..

 

[Lionfan17]

The point where Riewoldt has played better in finals kinda bugs me a bit. Brown was still young and in a team of superstars (Voss, Aker, Black, Power, Lynch, Keating, Leppa, Michael, Bradshaw) So it's kinda hard for him to win finals games off his own boot. Brown contributed what he should have in our finals saga for what he was then.

Also remember Browny kicking 6 goals in a Qualifying final against the Sainters once but thats irrelevant...

 

[salty parish]

Riewoldt is clearly the best in my mind. He's been dominating for years, Jonno Brown has two good games and suddenly he is better? What a steaming heap of sh*t.

The key reason St K are premiership contenders now is because of the day they drafted Riewoldt. If they had picked someone else the club would not be up their at the moment and would just be around with us and Essendon etc - not really challenging but being half decent.

The argument of premiership medals is just plain stupid. Jonno Brown won his cos he was part of a sweet team, not because of his dominance. If ST K win it will almost certainly be on the back of Riewoldt dominating.

The two hardly compare - Jonno Brown is nowhere near Riewoldt with his endurance and ability to read the play. It is a joke that on the back of playing good against an undermanned Carlton defence Brown can suddenly overtake years of Riewoldt being the better player. Disgrace.

You are the disgrace. Brown has ripped apart your mob for many years peanut.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

i fear jonathan brown

when he is on, he cannot be stopped

i remember he kicked a bag on scarlett a few years ago in a team that got smashed

riewoldt can take all the marks on the wing that he wants, but he's not the type who will win a game off his own boot

brown can and does

that is why he is better

 

[g_TRAIN]

The point where Riewoldt has played better in finals kinda bugs me a bit. Brown was still young and in a team of superstars (Voss, Aker, Black, Power, Lynch, Keating, Leppa, Michael, Bradshaw) So it's kinda hard for him to win finals games off his own boot. Brown contributed what he should have in our finals saga for what he was then.

Also remember Browny kicking 6 goals in a Qualifying final against the Sainters once but thats irrelevant...

That's 100% fair - my point was actually that people use Brown's finals record and say he has it over Roo because of his premierships etc..

I have no doubt that Brown would be a brilliant finals player today.

 

[Superduperouzel]

Dunstall v Lockett
who can split them on their day ?
same applies to Brown & Riewoldt
also in that era there was a bloke wearing number 5 for geelong
and another dude with tight shorts playing for Sydney who now does pr0n movies
who wasnt too bad abeit entertaining....
Brown & Riewoldt are champions in their own right no comparisons necessary, love watching both of them.

 

[Bourky23]

Put Brown in your GF team last year in place of Roo and you would have doubled the amount of premiership cups in the cupboard.

that is close to the worst post i've ever read on bigfooty.

They're called premierships, Brown has three of them.

relevance? but either way, Brown was just a kid surrounded by a team of superstars, hardly had a significant impact. Played his role, no more, no less.

Premierships are useless when comparing individuals IMO

Brown has 3 premierships and led the lions to at least 2 of those premierships.

never heard of Michael Voss champ? Brown wasn't even the best forward in his team during that time, let alone leading his team.

 

[jimmy35]

Dunstall v Lockett
who can split them on their day ?
same applies to Brown & Riewoldt
also in that era there was a bloke wearing number 5 for geelong
and another dude with tight shorts playing for Sydney who now does pr0n movies
who wasnt too bad abeit entertaining....
Brown & Riewoldt are champions in their own right no comparisons necessary, love watching both of them.

Lockett.

 

[skilts]

I don't care who is better I enjoy watching both guys play and am more than happy that I at least have one of them in my team. If I could also have Browny I would in a heartbeat. But why do people insist that the true measure of a player is premiership medals? By that reckoning Cam Mooney is three times the Full Forward that Plugger ever was. Give yourself an uppercut.

This. Statistics, premierships, B&Fs and All Australians are all used as 'objective' measures of who is the better player. This is BS.

I enjoy watching both play. This is the reason I watch footy - two hours of admiration for either bloke as they do things which I understand, but can only stand in awe of. All other measures and comparisons of the merits of footballers are irrelevant. It will never be established that Carey is the best footballer ever. To prove this I give you one word - Bunton. Who can possibly compare the two? This would be so even if they'd played in the same era.

I acknowledge that such debates keep BigFooty afloat, a good thing in itself, but ultimately, these debates are meaningless. Unless you're one of the select few who play at AFL level, watching the game is what we do. That's good enough for me. There are few better (albeit useless) things in life.too

 

[mysainters]

Seriously who cares?

Saints supporters wouldn't have anyone else leading their club than Roo, and likewise Brisbane supporters Brown.

 

[jazou]

The power bracelet that Riewoldt wears to improve his core strength by up to 500 % tips the scales in his favor...

ahahahahaha.... GOLD

 

[JDogg]

Seriously who cares?

Saints supporters wouldn't have anyone else leading their club than Roo, and likewise Brisbane supporters Brown.

Well... I dunno.. I know Id rather Browny and most Saints supporters I know would prefer Browny as well..

 

[Gozz]

You are the disgrace. Brown has ripped apart your mob for many years peanut.

how is that relevant u 'peanut'. Riewoldt has ripped us apart many times also

 

[Zagg]

It's strange how some people saw Brown's premierships give him the edge, but then excuse Brown's finals record because he was still young and not a big contributer then. Surely you can't have it both ways?

Well... I dunno.. I know Id rather Browny and most Saints supporters I know would prefer Browny as well..

Brown's a champ, but I'd certainly take Rooey any day of the week, and I think the vast majority of Saints fans wouldn't swap given the choice.