RIEWOLDTEMBER 2 - The Return of the King

[ballanFYNE]

Both Buddy and Pav will be watching Riewoldt in a GF because they weren't good enough to get their teams there.

Riewoldt didn't even play most of the season but we still got there anyway and the bonus is that we have a fresh Riewoldt in September wreaking absolute havoc.

Sleep tight Mick, it will all be over soon. Riewoldt will put you and your beloved fagpies out of your misery soon.

Pavlich got his team from bottom 2, to top 6, winning a final in the process. Once we've seen Nick Riewoldt do that, we may be able to mention their names in the same sentence.

 

[Plugger35]

Pavlich got his team from bottom 2, to top 6, winning a final in the process. Once we've seen Nick Riewoldt do that, we may be able to mention their names in the same sentence.

Wow, Freo made it into their third final series in their history and won a final. Big deal.

Get back to me when you have won finals that actually matter and played a meaningful part in September rather than just a cameo.

Until then, Riewoldt > Pavlich

 

[Hodgepodge]

Give it up Hodgeflog. Anyone that knows the slightest thing about football would tell you that Riewoldt's performance in the prelim was head and shoulders above Franklin's performance in the 08 GF.

It was certainly seen that way due to Franklin's standard being a lot higher.

If there was any doubt over who is the better player then this finals series has removed that. Riewoldt has been a matchwinner in both our games whilst Franklin went missing against Freo like your buddy Hodge and the rest of the Hawks peahearts.

Another error.

Franklin was poor in a thrashing to Fremantle, no doubt.

However Riewoldt has gone missing twice in halves when the game was an armwrestle. Note that he was only ever in the game when StKilda were dominating. When it was a tight contest he was nowhere to be seen.

Another reason why Franklin is roundly acknowledged as the better player.

He's also been better in finals overall, and in home and away games overall, yet you want two games in 2010 to decide who the better player is? Don't blame you for trying

 

[STC]

The truth is he can't be stopped, if he decides to bring his A game it will be goodnight Pies.

You should let him know then - wouldn't want him to leave his A game at home again like last year!

 

[Plugger35]

You should let him know then - wouldn't want him to leave his A game at home again like last year!

At least he has the chance to bring his A game next Saturday. Harry Taylor and the rest of your washed up hacks will just be spectators.

 

[Hodgepodge]

At least he has the chance to bring his A game next Saturday. Harry Taylor and the rest of your washed up hacks will just be spectators.

As will Riewoldt.

Unless he decides to spoil his teammates again by going for Leo Barry marks

That was awkward for everyone.

 

[ballanFYNE]

Wow, Freo made it into their third final series in their history and won a final. Big deal.

Get back to me when you have won finals that actually matter and played a meaningful part in September rather than just a cameo.

Until then, Riewoldt > Pavlich

My point wasn't freo doing well, it was Pavlich dragging us up 8 ladder positions within a year. Riewoldt wouldn't be capable. Until Riewoldt does that, Pavlich > Riewoldt.

 

[Plugger35]

It was certainly seen that way due to Franklin's standard being a lot higher

O rly? I think you'll find that Riewoldt consistently sets higher standards than Franklin.

However Riewoldt has gone missing twice in halves when the game was an armwrestle. Note that he was only ever in the game when StKilda were dominating. When it was a tight contest he was nowhere to be seen.

As I've already pointed out the main reason St Kilda started dominating against the Dogs in the 2nd half was because of Riewoldt. He was also instrumental in setting up our win against Geelong in the 1st half before the rain reduced his effectiveness.

Hopefully we get dry conditions for the GF and it gives Riewoldt a chance to dominate for the whole game and lead us to victory. Even then I'm sure you will still invent some criticism of him and say Franklin is better.

 

[Plugger35]

My point wasn't freo doing well, it was Pavlich dragging us up 8 ladder positions within a year. Riewoldt wouldn't be capable. Until Riewoldt does that, Pavlich > Riewoldt.

It's pretty hard for Riewoldt to drag us up 8 ladder positions when we have consistently finisished in the top 4 for the past 6 or 7 years.

Your argument for Pavlich being superior to Riewoldt is almost as idiotic as Hodgeflog's arguments for Franklin being superior.

Riewoldt > Pavlich > Franklin

 

[Hodgepodge]

O rly? I think you'll find that Riewoldt consistently sets higher standards than Franklin.

lol, i thought you were going to follow that up with some facts?

Riewoldt hasn't had half as good a season as Franklin's 2008.

As I've already pointed out the main reason St Kilda started dominating against the Dogs in the 2nd half was because of Riewoldt.

Making a statement isn't pointing something out. You get the two confused too often.

He was also instrumental in setting up our win against Geelong in the 1st half before the rain reduced his effectiveness.

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Hopefully we get dry conditions for the GF and it gives Riewoldt a chance to dominate for the whole game and lead us to victory. Even then I'm sure you will still invent some criticism of him and say Franklin is better.

lol . . . again with the precipitation.

Franklin's been better for a while now.

I just hope Riewoldt can actually show something when it's a close game. Hasn't done it so far this finals series.

 

[Hodgepodge]

It's pretty hard for Riewoldt to drag us up 8 ladder positions when we have consistently finisished in the top 4 for the past 6 or 7 years.

Your argument nonetheless remains that Pavlich and Franklin are no good because they have been unable to drag their sides to victory. Crazy argument to make, particularly when your side's best form was without it's skipper this year.

 

[Plugger35]

lol, i thought you were going to follow that up with some facts?

Riewoldt hasn't had half as good a season as Franklin's 2008.

Pretty hard for Riewoldt to have a better season when he was injured for half of it. Anyway Riewoldt has already had a better final series than Buddy did in 2008.

I just hope Riewoldt can actually show something when it's a close game. Hasn't done it so far this finals series.

It was a close game when Riewoldt was dominating in the first half against Geelong and it was a close game when he was dominating the Dogs in the 3rd quarter. We were a goal down at half time remember.

A lot of clutching at straws here.

 

[Falchoon]

Your argument nonetheless remains that Pavlich and Franklin are no good because they have been unable to drag their sides to victory. Crazy argument to make, particularly when your side's best form was without it's skipper this year.

your sides best form apparently saw Franklin being used as a decoy

 

[Hodgepodge]

Pretty hard for Riewoldt to have a better season when he was injured for half of it. Anyway Riewoldt has already had a better final series than Buddy did in 2008.

Any season, homeslice. Franklin's 2008 is better than any Riewoldt season.

Roo's chasing tail here.

Franklin's 2008 finals series was interrupted with injury as he broke his thumb early in the prelim.

Neverthless he had a 'sensational' series by Riewoldt standards.

It was a close game when Riewoldt was dominating in the first half against Geelong and it was a close game when he was dominating the Dogs in the 3rd quarter. We were a goal down at half time remember.

Out of bounds on the full

The margin isn't as relevant as the state of play. The 3rd against the Dogs was a 7 goal to 1 quarter which was played in StKilda's half. Prior to that period of domination, Riewoldt was nowhere to be seen.

Same with the first half versus the Cats. StKilda were all over the Cats. At one stage a commentator remarked "This is too easy".

Once it became close however, the Roo went missing.

Watch Carey vs Hawthorn 94 for a real champion pulling his team across the line.

Or Franklin vs Adelaide 07.

Riewoldt has just gone with the flow so far.

 

[Hodgepodge]

your sides best form apparently saw Franklin being used as a decoy

When did this happen? Franklin has the highest goal average of any player this year. All this from half-forward.

Hardly a decoy, Felch.

 

[Plugger35]

A shame for Franklin and Hawthorn that his 2008 season was a one off.

Buddy is a one hit wonder, Riewoldt consistently has great years. Would have surely been AA ahead of Franklin if he wasn't injured.

 

[Falchoon]

When did this happen? Franklin has the highest goal average of any player this year. All this from half-forward.

Hardly a decoy, Felch.

I personally thought your form was better in 2008, feel free to differ.

 

[Falchoon]

Franklin's 2008 finals series was interrupted with injury as he broke his thumb early in the prelim.

it must still be sore given the toweling he received from McPharlin.

Or Franklin vs Adelaide 07

laughing out loud at toweling up 8th placed Adelaide as an achievement, their grand final was the week prior, much like Essendon last year.

Ivan Maric managed a career game in identical circumstances

 

[Rockford]

...before the rain reduced his effectiveness.

Hopefully we get dry conditions for the GF and it gives Riewoldt a chance...

Are you shitting me? If you're not a good footballer in wet conditions then you're not a good footballer. It's a Winter sport FFS.

 

[KruZin]

Thread title should read...

RIEWOLDTEMBER 2 - The Return of the Fuhrer

Who will stop the aryan in RII?

Mick Stalin will prevail.

 

[Hodgepodge]

A shame for Franklin and Hawthorn that his 2008 season was a one off.

Buddy is a one hit wonder, Riewoldt consistently has great years. Would have surely been AA ahead of Franklin if he wasn't injured.

Another clanger

Franklin has the higher goal and possession average despite playing more games this season. As we both know, averages are harder to maintain over distance.

It's not about honours anyway. Franklin's just the better player both statistically and qualitatively.

 

[Falchoon]

Another clanger
Franklin has the higher goal and possession average despite playing more games this season. As we both know, averages are harder to maintain over distance.

Career possessions average

Shanklin 14.01
MVPwoldt 16.30


Another clanger


You'd be humourous if you took yourself seriously Fatman

 

[Hodgepodge]

Career possessions average

Shanklin 14.01
MVPwoldt 16.30


Another clanger


You'd be humourous if you took yourself seriously Fatman

The career average is only down for Franklin as his development years constitute a larger fraction of his career stats.

The errors are mounting for you here. It's like Grand Final day 2009 all over again.

 

[Alatna]

Roo wins at everything.

 

[Falchoon]

The career average is only down for Franklin as his development years constitute a larger fraction of his career stats.

Another clanger

Riewoldts first season (2002) 319 possessions

Franklins last season (2010) 320 possessions.



when will these development years end?