Preview Rnd 10 - Carlton v Geelong Saturday 26th May 7.25pm @ GMHBA Stadium - Team Post #494

[GoBlues!]

So many positives

Weitering Cuningham & Silvagni pushing for senior selection
I really hope Cuningham Dow & SPS step up over the next 12 months. Those three with Cripps could be something special. Speed, skills & X factor
Polson coming along nicely. Now injury free for first time. This kid can play
Schumacher I have liked since pre season. Big unit and a great left foot. Bit of a character. Will play senior footy this year
Willo will be a star

So good to see. Go Blues

To be honest Soapy, watching the game last week at Box Hill - Cuningham was the stand out player that impressed me and should get a call up.

JSOS took a great mark and kicked a goal but otherwise struggled for his 14 possessions.

Weiters did okay and seems to be improving, but his confidence and kicking still looks a bit off to me - was going for the safe sideways kick in defence a few times, and a couple of his kicks missed the target.

I really like the look of Schumacher, another left footer. Hope he gets a run in seniors this year.

 

[Blue Baggers]

Jones/Rowe/O'Shea/Mullett/Plowman and Thomas - anyone else think that woudl have been a starting back six EVER for Carlton in 2018?

No! And never want to see it again!

 

[gotheJUDD]

 

[F_therest]

No surprise there he was never going to play this week

 

[JustaBattler]

Pathetic management - again.

 

[Mr_Plow]

In fairness, from a medical point of view, plantar fasciitis is a bitch to treat and recurrence with conservative management is common.

But this isn't bush-league football...

 

[JustaBattler]

In fairness, from a medical point of view, plantar fasciitis is a bitch to treat and recurrence with conservative management is common.

But this isn't bush-league football...

It is at Carlton as far as injuries and injury management goes.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Totally disagree. They have had a plan, stuck to it, rode the bumps and now it's just starting to pay off. You only have to look at all the young players now at 30 games plus starting to influence games. The lesson for us is it was hard, there were bad days, lots of oustide experets telling them they were wrong and it took time. I don't think there is much between us although at this stage I like our list better

Be clear, I'm talking about when Roos took over. Under Neeld the issues ran deeper than playing kids. Also, when I talk about getting games into our young players I always mention that we have 6-7 very senior players in every side and we now have a group of players in their third years.

We aren't talking about 18 debutants.

Yeah problem is the senior players you always talk of are probably as a group the worst core of senior players in the competition .
So overloading with kids as weve seen before is only going to overburden those senior players further affecting their output .
And in turn stifle the development of some of the young players already in the side .
But ok keep throwing up the senior core as evidence that we need more younguns .

 

[TooBlue14]

Every injury this year has involved recurrence. Marchbank 1-2 week out. Gone for 5. Murphy 3 weeks out. Gone for 3 more now probably. Byrne 1-2 week. Then gone for 8. Kennedy 1-2 weeks out. Plays vfl. Gone for 2-3 more. ASOS gone for 4. Comes back ready. Gone for 4 more. It’s ****ing ridiculous.

We need north, melb or rich to shed some light on their preparation and injury prevention. I hear Oliver trains all day and has 9 pm ice baths. I heard north ice baths are of huge importance to their prep.

This idea of playing through pain might have started due to soft next generation kids giving up too soon but it’s gone too far and we now have constant recurrences of injuries. And weird ones at that. Syndedmosis (x 3), Osteitis pubis (likely Kruezer), plantar fascia. It’s probably a coincidence but maybe it’s the new visy surface or maybe it’s the preseason varied surfaces we were exposed to not having access to visy.

 

[blue healer]

Yeah problem is the senior players you always talk of are probably as a group the worst core of senior players in the competition .
So overloading with kids as weve seen before is only going to overburden those senior players further affecting their output .
And in turn stifle the development of some of the young players already in the side .
But ok keep throwing up the senior core as evidence that we need more younguns .

Don't **** with the narrative, we need more yoof in the side.

 

[Soapy V]

Yeah problem is the senior players you always talk of are probably as a group the worst core of senior players in the competition .
So overloading with kids as weve seen before is only going to overburden those senior players further affecting their output .
And in turn stifle the development of some of the young players already in the side .
But ok keep throwing up the senior core as evidence that we need more younguns .

What absolute BS. Put the kids in they will be good. They're not babies, they can handle it. I actually believe they will thrive on it and bring enthusiasm and hope. You don't overload. You play them blocks. By my reckoning I count about 20 of them and only around 12 can play at any one time.

As for senior players being the worst I don't rate Kruezer Murphy Curnow Simpson Cripps Thomas Jones anywhere near that badly. Also, Weitering Plowman Marchbank SPS Fisher Charlie aren't kids anymore.

Look at the ages and the experience of the players I'm talking about. We aren't talking about 18 debutants

If you read my comments I'm talking about when it comes to selection priority must be to younger players than players like O'Shea Mullett Graham etc.

For people like you disagreeing please feel free to stick to the same side that we played last weekend. It was great to watch and gives so much hope for the future

Weitering Rowe Marchbank
Garlett Jones Williamson
Simpson Cripps O'Brien
Charlie McKay SPS
Murphy Casboult Wright
Kruezer Kennedy Curnow
Plowman Fisher Dow Thomas

Plus Silvagni Pickett Lang Garlett Cuningham Byrne Kerr Macreadie Polson

Please explain to me how lining up like above and rotating through the others during the year is overloading or stunting development???

 

[Soapy V]

In fairness, from a medical point of view, plantar fasciitis is a bitch to treat and recurrence with conservative management is common.

But this isn't bush-league football...

He also trained for 2 weeks at full pace without issue. In this case I'm not sure what else could be done

 

[Iamcarlton]

What absolute BS. Put the kids in they will be good. They're not babies, they can handle it. I actually believe they will thrive on it and bring enthusiasm and hope. You don't overload. You play them blocks. By my reckoning I count about 20 of them and only around 12 can play at any one time.

As for senior players being the worst I don't rate Kruezer Murphy Curnow Simpson Cripps Thomas Jones anywhere near that badly. Also, Weitering Plowman Marchbank SPS Fisher aren't kids anymore.

Look at the ages and the experience of the players I'm talking about. We aren't talking about 18 debutants

If you read my comments I'm talking about when it comes to selection priority must be to younger players than players like O'Shea Mullett Graham etc.

For people like you disagreeing please feel free to stick to the same side that we played last weekend. It was great to watch and gives so much hope for the future

Or the week before
Weiterings in the seconds with Jack and Cunners Plowman has been found out this year for whatever reason .
Marchbank is injured SPS has looked horrible this year albeit trying hard as for Jones and Thomas with his bail out banana kicks really!!

 

[blue healer]

What absolute BS. Put the kids in they will be good. They're not babies, they can handle it. I actually believe they will thrive on it and bring enthusiasm and hope. You don't overload. You play them blocks. By my reckoning I count about 20 of them and only around 12 can play at any one time.

As for senior players being the worst I don't rate Kruezer Murphy Curnow Simpson Cripps Thomas Jones anywhere near that badly. Also, Weitering Plowman Marchbank SPS Fisher Charlie aren't kids anymore.

Look at the ages and the experience of the players I'm talking about. We aren't talking about 18 debutants

If you read my comments I'm talking about when it comes to selection priority must be to younger players than players like O'Shea Mullett Graham etc.

For people like you disagreeing please feel free to stick to the same side that we played last weekend. It was great to watch and gives so much hope for the future

Two compulsory changes (one bringing our Captain back) from the side that won the week before against a team that then pantsed Geelong. But, by all means let's get rid of Mullet, Kerridge, Graham and Lamb (all BTW in our best 10 last week) and see how great that'll be to watch.

 

[Soapy V]

Two compulsory changes (one bringing our Captain back) from the side that won the week before against a team that then pantsed Geelong. But, by all means let's get rid of Mullet, Kerridge, Graham and Lamb (all BTW in our best 10 last week) and see how great that'll be to watch.

It worked so well. Let's keep aiming for that for mediocrity

 

[Soapy V]

Or the week before
Weiterings in the seconds with Jack and Cunners Plowman has been found out this year for whatever reason .
Marchbank is injured SPS has looked horrible this year albeit trying hard as for Jones and Thomas with his bail out banana kicks really!!

Very selective and inaccurate. Read it again

You might think last week was okay. I'm about being proactive backing the kids for the future and building for No.17

IMO your way is pure medicority and the reason we got into this mess in the first place

 

[blue healer]

It worked so well. Let's keep aiming for that for mediocrity

Mediocrity might be a ******* good base to build upon.

 

[blue healer]

Very selective and inaccurate. Read it again

You might think last week was okay. I'm about being proactive backing the kids for the future and building for No.17

IMO your way is pure medicority and the reason we got into this mess in the first place

Just noticed, and it might have been asked before, but you joined in Sept. 2015. Are you, by any chance, SOS or Bolton or do you tag?

 

[COBALT BLUE]

I'm exactly the same

List

our list still is not anywhere the depth of an Afl average side and thats taking the for gone conclusion our young stocks will continue to develope to expectation .....our list especially has seen the harvest of new fresh grapes and now we have to see process of he wine mature

We need more fresh grapes to process to produce award winning wine....

We got a gem in Charlie.....Fisher,Samo,Dow,Willo look solid

We will need a more grapes tho and we need to turn out a list that can be as deep as the swans or crows....

This ideal of ruthlessly building on draft picks is the only way....for list depth,trade currency......we are very weak and change wont come quickly

but what is being attempted is correct........just have to unify the players together and not lose anything good while we build

 

[Accidental genius]

He also trained for 2 weeks at full pace without issue. In this case I'm not sure what else could be done

Well you don't have to have all the solutions. Surely the professionals at the club know what is best.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Very selective and inaccurate. Read it again

You might think last week was okay. I'm about being proactive backing the kids for the future and building for No.17

IMO your way is pure medicority and the reason we got into this mess in the first place

Tbh imo team selections are irrelevant right now anyway .
Last week and most likely this and next week will have nothing to do with who's on the park right now but more to do with the clubs incompetence in being able to field a fit and competitive side .
As you quoted in another post and i agree the number 1 issue at the club is the injury toll .
Now its Murphy re injuring its a joke a complete joke whats going on with these injuries but moreso the reinjuring upon return .

 

[I bleed Blue]

Pathetic management - again.

It's a ****ing disgrace.

If this was the only instance you could maybe forgive it. But we have been rushing players back all year. Our injury list is a shambles.

Med team/ high performance team etc needs a complete overhaul.

It's unacceptable

 

[Jimmae]

Every injury this year has involved recurrence. Marchbank 1-2 week out. Gone for 5. Murphy 3 weeks out. Gone for 3 more now probably. Byrne 1-2 week. Then gone for 8. Kennedy 1-2 weeks out. Plays vfl. Gone for 2-3 more. ASOS gone for 4. Comes back ready. Gone for 4 more. It’s ******* ridiculous.

We need north, melb or rich to shed some light on their preparation and injury prevention. I hear Oliver trains all day and has 9 pm ice baths. I heard north ice baths are of huge importance to their prep.

This idea of playing through pain might have started due to soft next generation kids giving up too soon but it’s gone too far and we now have constant recurrences of injuries. And weird ones at that. Syndedmosis (x 3), Osteitis pubis (likely Kruezer), plantar fascia. It’s probably a coincidence but maybe it’s the new visy surface or maybe it’s the preseason varied surfaces we were exposed to not having access to visy.

Nothing to do with the Ikon surface: this has been a problem for years.

 

[RedFury]

Just a hint Carlton ...

you may want to look at your "fitness tests" which are regularly clearing players to play whose prior injury is clearly not ready to withstand an actual game of AFL football.

 

[mediumsizered]

Just a hint Carlton ...

you may want to look at your "fitness tests" which are regularly clearing players to play whose prior injury is clearly not ready to withstand an actual game of AFL football.

Very hard to simulate match conditions at training. While a player may do all the necessary training to prove their fitness & not pull up sore or experience any symptoms, this can change very quickly under match conditions.