Autopsy Roast & Toast R5 vs West Coast & Changes for The Bye

[Coach_Required]

How long have we waited for Maurice Rioli goal that we know he is capable of ?
Let’s hope he takes the game on !

Geez I was so pumped when he had Mr fend off in his sights today, unfortunately got the new AFL ducking specialist high.

 

[TigerImposter]

Meh, I’m OK with the club taking risks like this. It didn’t pay off, but I see the vision after our 2022 season.

On a side note, one thing that annoys me is when people say that we tried to do what Geelong did. At no point did we try to do what Geelong did. Geelong bring in players almost every year and turn over their list methodically like that. There is someone decent requesting a trade to them almost every year.

The only decent players we brought in since Lynch, Prestia, Caddy, and Nankervis 6-8 years ago were Taranto, Hopper, and Tarrant, all in more recent years.

So, if there is one aspect that I think we mishandled during our Premiership years, it is that we did not try to use our Premiership status to lure over more good to elite players. Teams like Geelong and Brisbane are stocked with talent, but they’re always seeking to improve their list. We didn’t do that. We tried to improve our list only through the draft, and that’s a bad strategy given the draft picks that Premiership contenders get. There is a sweet spot with that. You don’t want to ignore the draft too much like the dynasty Hawthorn side, and you don’t want to only rely on the draft like our dynasty side. Geelong’s hit the sweet spot where they get talent from the draft while bringing in talent from other teams.

Anyway, what’s done is done I guess. We just have to find a way to dig ourselves out of the hole before Tasmania comes. Nailing our draft picks in the coming drafts is imperative.

It was a poor decision and not a risk as all they did was added more tractors to our list. One was an injury prone player as well. The game is faster now and our list mangers didn’t go with the modern trend bc they were short sighted and back in time. They got it totally wrong and our rebuild is now delayed basically by two seasons.

 

[The_Kraken]

Neighbour update.

No cops, but a lot of screaming. A highlight was a car flying up the street, slamming on the brakes, only for the obese daughter of one of the neighbour’s jumping out while screaming obscenities at the top of her voice at the neighbour pissing everyone off.

The show wrapped up with 4 people on the street all talking loudly while venting their spleens about the shitty neighbour.

I just sat in the dark, downed 4 Heinekens, and had a laugh.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

They both took on better improving lists . Credit to yze for taking the job on , but the poor bastard took on a major task.

Yeah i agree not many wanted the job but just imo only, i would have given it to mini, he did a great job filling in last year and i personally think the players really liked him but i just get the gut feeling ooze is the opposite is not that well liked. as much

 

[TigerImposter]

Their previous coach was awful and still made a grand final with that list. They have a ridiculous amount of young high picks that are very fast and skillful. Our only young player that can reach that level is Gibcus and hes unavailable. They prob have 10 young players at that level coming through.

They will win a flag soon as they bottom out properly and pinch one here and there. They know the formula, but there problem is they struggle to stay at the top longer.

 

[The_Kraken]

Yep changing coach certainly helped. But the price we paid including length of their contract would rank alongside the highest in the comp . Clubs don’t lose two players ranked that highly and improve .

I don’t know if Hopper was highly rated.

And yeah, in hindsight we paid overs for them both. But fixating on past errors won’t change the future.

 

[Tenacious T]

One thing that impressed me today was Mykis vicelike marks........all one grab no juggling.
Great future.

 

[Mr Unbelievable]

People saying long way to go for Lefau but he gave Koshittske an absolute bath today

If and when we get Lynch and Balta back Lefau is gonna destroy a 3rd best defender

Kosi on the other hand is scared of the mirror

 

[TheOptimum18]

Taranto and Hopper are not the answer.

Based on what? Cause on exposed form, our midfield has been a fairly positive part of our game this season.

 

[tiger_tough]

Why is Sonsie playing forward and Jack Graham

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Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

in the middle? Surely we swap them around?

 

[Lsta062]

It was a poor decision and not a risk as all they did was added more tractors to our list. One was an injury prone player as well. The game is faster now and our list mangers didn’t go with the modern trend bc they were short sighted and back in time. They got it totally wrong and our rebuild is now delayed basically by two seasons.

I do agree with them not reading the evolution of the game well. The game has gone past stocking the midfield with many slow big-bodied mids. In the modern game, you can carry max 1 or so of these midfielders. The rest have to either have pace or explosive acceleration. We obviously have pace issues in our midfield because we have Graham, Ross, Taranto, Hopper, and Prestia in there. Would be way better than what we have now, but that’s way too slow.

But, we’re going to have to agree to disagree about the move they made. I think they identified that we had an issue in the midfield, and they went and got what they thought would fix their midfield. They should’ve been aware of where the game was heading, but us bringing in Taranto and Hopper was better than continuing to ignore the glaring issues of our midfield. I’d have lost the plot by now if they didn’t bring anyone into our midfield at all given how injury-prone Prestia is. At least I can now say that they tried to address our midfield woes but failed.

 

[TheOptimum18]

You don’t trade in Hopper and Taranto when you have an ageing team. Anyone thinking this have rocks in their heads. You bank your early picks and build a team like we did when we bottomed out and got Jack, Cotchin, Rance, Dusty , Sheds and co.
We made the ultimate sins off the past by not bottoming out and we finished around ninth or so. Wallet got it right believe or not whereas Dimma didn’t bc he was impatient and adamant our list would still perform.

So who are the equivalent midfielders we could've got in the draft with the picks we used for TT and Hopper?

Cause unless your solution was to run around with a near VFL quality midfield (as shown today), alongside injury prone players like Prestia and Graham, in order to bank a young HF that's picked up with pick 12, or a an outside wingman who doesn't have form of being a contest player in juniors with pick 19, then I don't see why this line of thought makes sense.

TT was 25 when last season started. What part of 25 is "too old"? Hopper I think is only a year older.

Noticed how GWS haven’t skipped a beat and agreeably improved since they left .
Foot skills and speed in the current and future game they have neither .
They just don’t have enough hurt factor with the footy and both aren’t great at best defensively .

I find the idea that neither Hopper or TT are good defensively a bit laughable, since tackling is pretty much a hall mark of their game (at least for TT).

Also, the Giants had 6 inside midfielders on their list at the time. Coniglio their captain, Ward the heart and soul of the club, Kelly on a 7 year contract, Green the youngster, as well as Hopper and TT.

I don't necessarily think TT and Hopper are any worse than Coniglio or Ward (who GWS chose to keep), so not sure this point is that valid.

And while I agree that speed and foot skills are needed, you also need the contested ball winners. Green isn't the best by foot (averages 0.8 more effective kicks than TT this season, for example), but you wouldn't take him out the GWS team, would you?

You put speed and better ball use around these ball winners, which KMac, Graham, Dow (just to name a few) aren't.

 

[TheOptimum18]

Why is Sonsie playing forward and Jack Graham in the middle? Surely we swap them around?

While I do wish we give Sonsie more midfield time, I do feel that Graham playing midfield was the right choice, ONLY if he was told to play on Yeo.

Doesn't need to be a tag, but if we want to utilise the best strengths of Graham, at least tell him to mark a man.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

It was a poor decision and not a risk as all they did was added more tractors to our list. One was an injury prone player as well. The game is faster now and our list mangers didn’t go with the modern trend bc they were short sighted and back in time. They got it totally wrong and our rebuild is now delayed basically by two seasons.

7 years .

 

[Lsta062]

Neighbour update.

No cops, but a lot of screaming. A highlight was a car flying up the street, slamming on the brakes, only for the obese daughter of one of the neighbour’s jumping out while screaming obscenities at the top of her voice at the neighbour pissing everyone off.

The show wrapped up with 4 people on the street all talking loudly while venting their spleens about the shitty neighbour.

I just sat in the dark, downed 4 Heinekens, and had a laugh.

Are they Richmond fans? Because I understand all that if they were lol

 

[prodigy1311]

Not too upset ir surprised with tge loss! Kinda expecr a roller coaster season with a young team. Young and miller will show such games throughout the season but must be played at all costs. I am pissed off with the seniors. Knac, pickett, jg, dusty!
Plus the fitness team at the club. 6 games in we look cooked.

 

[TigerImposter]

So who are the equivalent midfielders we could've got in the draft with the picks we used for TT and Hopper?

Cause unless your solution was to run around with a near VFL quality midfield (as shown today), alongside injury prone players like Prestia and Graham, in order to bank a young HF that's picked up with pick 12, or a an outside wingman who doesn't have form of being a contest player in juniors with pick 19, then I don't see why this line of thought makes sense.

TT was 25 when last season started. What part of 25 is "too old"? Hopper I think is only a year older.



I find the idea that neither Hopper or TT are good defensively a bit laughable, since tackling is pretty much a hall mark of their game (at least for TT).

Also, the Giants had 6 inside midfielders on their list at the time. Coniglio their captain, Ward the heart and soul of the club, Kelly on a 7 year contract, Green the youngster, as well as Hopper and TT.

I don't necessarily think TT and Hopper are any worse than Coniglio or Ward (who GWS chose to keep), so not sure this point is that valid.

And while I agree that speed and foot skills are needed, you also need the contested ball winners. Green isn't the best by foot (averages 0.8 more effective kicks than TT this season, for example), but you wouldn't take him out the GWS team, would you?

You put speed and better ball use around these ball winners, which KMac, Graham, Dow (just to name a few) aren't.

You’ve missed the point and are making excuses and are a revisionist. Why did it have to be narrowed down to midfielders?
Last I looked we needed tall forwards. I’m sure if you look hard enough you would find a midfielder in the last two drafts in the first and second rounds. Still not my point I was making. It was more about banking early picks building a future list like we did when we started with JR and so on. You should pick quality talls bc they take longer to develop then you add the midfield spark like Cotchin, Edward’s and Martin and then they’d be ready to go in unison. Then you bring in the cream like Prestia and Lynch in. That’s my theory anyhow and I’m sure if you look at lists in history that have built and won flags it would support this.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

So who are the equivalent midfielders we could've got in the draft with the picks we used for TT and Hopper?

Cause unless your solution was to run around with a near VFL quality midfield (as shown today), alongside injury prone players like Prestia and Graham, in order to bank a young HF that's picked up with pick 12, or a an outside wingman who doesn't have form of being a contest player in juniors with pick 19, then I don't see why this line of thought makes sense.

TT was 25 when last season started. What part of 25 is "too old"? Hopper I think is only a year older.



I find the idea that neither Hopper or TT are good defensively a bit laughable, since tackling is pretty much a hall mark of their game (at least for TT).

Also, the Giants had 6 inside midfielders on their list at the time. Coniglio their captain, Ward the heart and soul of the club, Kelly on a 7 year contract, Green the youngster, as well as Hopper and TT.

I don't necessarily think TT and Hopper are any worse than Coniglio or Ward (who GWS chose to keep), so not sure this point is that valid.

And while I agree that speed and foot skills are needed, you also need the contested ball winners. Green isn't the best by foot (averages 0.8 more effective kicks than TT this season, for example), but you wouldn't take him out the GWS team, would you?

You put speed and better ball use around these ball winners, which KMac, Graham, Dow (just to name a few) aren't.

Your wasting your skills here , should be doing stand up .

 

[Triggering Tiger]

I'll be there at Anzac Eve. Is there anyone we can expect to be back from injury for this game ?

Grimes and possibly hopper and Short.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Every other team bar ours and Melbourne have had a bye and we have had to travel two weeks in a row

You can be frustrated but it’s also a factor that needs to be taken into consideration

We have been absolutely flogged with the fixture start this year. We have been on the back foot since that shameful 5 day break in the opening round. Compare our opening 6-8 weeks fixture to Geelong who have been given an armchair ride. No wonder all the seniors have broken down.

20 frees to 11. No free kicks anywhere in our forward line. No surprise there it's been happening for 30y lol

The kids are getting a go but their consistency is always going to be up and down until they build AFL bodies and get used to the grind. That's what Ooze meant when he said they were tired already I reckon.

Development year. Free high hits at the draft with our injuries. Get some young, hard running classy talent in the midst and a couple of tall prospects and let Ooze do his thing.

 

[Growapair]

Yeah Miller was decent offensively. Young is way off the mark atm.

Miller had 19 possessions at 83% efficiency. Was our third rated player on the field according to Champion Data ...

Young and Brown had 6 and 7 possessions ...

Yze said in his presser that they deliberately left the midfield battle even numbers so Dow, MacAuliffe, etc had an opportunity to get on top or see where they needed to get to.

 

[The_Kraken]

Are they Richmond fans? Because I understand all that if they were lol

Ha! Nah, mate.
Probably Newcastle Knights fans.
I’m up at Lake Macquarie, just outside Newcastle.
Beautiful place but league heartland.

 

[The_Kraken]

We have been absolutely flogged with the fixture start this year. We have been on the back foot since that shameful 5 day break in the opening round. Compare our opening 6-8 weeks fixture to Geelong who have been given an armchair ride. No wonder all the seniors have broken down.

20 frees to 11. No free kicks anywhere in our forward line. No surprise there it's been happening for 30y lol

The kids are getting a go but their consistency is always going to be up and down until they build AFL bodies and get used to the grind. That's what Ooze meant when he said they were tired already I reckon.

Development year. Free high hits at the draft with our injuries. Get some young, hard running classy talent in the midst and a couple of tall prospects and let Ooze do his thing.

That’s the truth; we’ve had a shitty draw.

 

[aislegi]

I have questioned Lefaus out put in his 3 games but I'll give credit where it's due.

That's what I want to see from Lefau play like a 195 cm not like a six-footer. His first three games have been underwhelming apart from a few glimpses but today looked good. I'll hold my reservations as it's just one game. Hopefully, he can back it up.

Seinfeld would love you!

 

[Growapair]

kosi to chb and young to chf will solve the problem

Maybe that should have been tried after half time ....

After the game ...

Out Kosi and Young
In Samson and Grimes