Ross Lyon Most Underrated Coach By General Public?

[Gavin Excell]

He got Freo to a grand final. That means something.

Ken Hinkley can't get Port Adelaide to a grand final.

10 years ago

 

[Freomaniac]

Burning first round picks is not Ross Lyon's fault. But it's no coincidence he left St Kilda with its list in a deep hole then stayed on a few years at Freo when they were in the same position. We traded for Tim Kelly. Regardless of what you think of the trade (I wasn't a fan at the time, still not) I don't see a scenario where the club gives up two first round picks for a 25 year old player without the coach giving it the rubber stamp. Rosco played the experienced players he had and brought in more where he could, at the expense of the development of (often more talented) younger players. Remember Freo played finals in 2010 before a poor finish to 2011 and they had a pretty young team. 8 players under 21 and 11 with under 50 games experience in the EF side that beat Hawthorn. Fast forward to the 2012 EF and that's 1 and 3. 2013 GF 1 and 4. Last final in 2015 0 and 2. Some of that is natural change from year to year but if those 18/19 year olds aren't given a crack under Mark Harvey then they aren't going to get it under Ross Lyon.

David Armitage played 28 games in his first 4 seasons. Jack Steven played 9 in his first 3. Tom Lynch played 6 in his first 3. Etc. Good teams lose young players for various reasons (Josh P Kennedy, Ben McGlynn, Shane Savage, Tom Mitchell, Tim Membrey etc.) but were St Kilda and Freo really better off with Ross Lyon's foot soldiers? Melbourne just won a flag and Luke Jackson was awesome. He did play more young players towards the end with Freo, but it took a 0-10 start in 2016 and they haven't played finals for 6 years. I think if he'd stuck around a few more years at the Dockers he could've had another top 4 side as the squad gained experience, but would've reverted to a rigid game plan.

There's nothing wrong with maintaining an age/experience profile in the 22 when you are contending for a flag (the Hawthorn and Geelong sides that won multiple flag were old and experienced) but if you neglect the future you invariably suffer.

I agree....

Ross Lyon was the dockers coach in 2012 until 2019...

Dockers 1st round picks from 2007 to 2014.

2007: Rhys Palmer dud
2008: Stephen Hill injury prone
2009: Anthony Morabito injuries
2010: Jayden Pitt retired with a heart condition
2011: Tom Sheridan or Hayden Crozier at pick 16 or 20... Average
2012: Josh Simpson attitude problems
2013: Michael Apeness injuries
2014: Lachie Weller solid player.

 

[Freomaniac]

10 years ago

Again... Ken Hinkley... 4 prelim finals in 12 years at Port and No Grand finals.

Ross Lyon: Grand finals with the saints in 2009 and 2010. Grand final with dockers in 2013.

 

[Freomaniac]

WillHayward I like you mate and I do respect the swans....

But take away that 2012 Flag and John Longmire is as bad As Ross Lyon. lol

 

[WillHayward]

WillHayward I like you mate and I do respect the swans....

But take away that 2012 Flag and John Longmire is as bad As Ross Lyon. lol

Longmire couldn't get the Manangatan under 17s up

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