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Fair assumption, as is that the players who have come to Fremantle want to play under Lyon. But for perspective, didn't Hogan accept a reduced contract while Neale cracked one of the highest paid players list?
Nah I hardly even notice who individual posters are, just here for the footy talk. The personal stuff bores me to tears. Sorry I don't know whether I agree with your opinions or not. Chances are I agree with some of your views and disagree with others. That's usually the case.Salim gives as good as he gets and then some.
Nice of you to be Salims white knight though.
You obviously haven't seen how people have posted towards me. Or maybe you have and it doesn't count because you don't agree with me?
Linky?You should see how robust the debate is about Coniglio.
That's a whole new level of trash.
Who know what the reasons were for sure though.
So if I can’t say we’ve stagnated this year because there are 7 games to play, probably not fair to say we’ve improved either? Or is it only ok to you to present the positive spin on things?
I have no idea what you mean. I’m not alone in having 10 wins as my pass mark.
Between 10 - 12th inclusiveI asked where you thought we would finish, before the season started, on the ladder? Sorry, it may not have been clear.
I agree as an emotionally involved fan. I do this myself.This always frustrates me. Pre-season I too probably would have predicted 10-12 wins and hopefully knocking on the door of the top 8. But when you're comfortably sitting inside the 8 with a 7-5 WL record after having knocked off the Pies and Power, its reasonable to upgrade your expectations. Winning just 3 of your final 10 games to limp to that 10 win 'pass' mark isn't that exciting.
Half glass full ....Win the next 7, play finalsThis always frustrates me. Pre-season I too probably would have predicted 10-12 wins and hopefully knocking on the door of the top 8. But when you're comfortably sitting inside the 8 with a 7-5 WL record after having knocked off the Pies and Power, its reasonable to upgrade your expectations. Winning just 3 of your final 10 games to limp to that 10 win 'pass' mark isn't that exciting.
I think a serious question would be why play Sandilands and Crowden then if they were going to be liabilities?You're implying that the players brought a lack of effort to the derby.
We got smashed out of the centre with Sandilands and Crowden spending a lot of time in the square after being out of the side longterm.
We won the inside 50's.
We kicked 2.19.
There are 90 point losses where serious questions need to be asked and there are 90 point losses where you can say that nothing went right and we were simply outclassed.
Will be interesting to see what, or if any changes are made for next year. But If Belly isn't getting some feedback from some of his old mates I would be surprised.I think a serious question would be why play Sandilands and Crowden then if they were going to be liabilities?
There was little accountabilities by experienced midfielders on their opponents. We won the inside 50's which, once again, the entries were a bucket of s**t. I guess it's a shame the game is not scored by winning the I50 entries.
We kicked 2.19? Don't you think that's another serious question that should be asked? That's the most inaccurate score line for any game in the last 44 years!!
We were outclassed, but surely you can see there is also a set of "serious" questions that need to be asked.
You're implying that the players brought a lack of effort to the derby.
We got smashed out of the centre with Sandilands and Crowden spending a lot of time in the square after being out of the side longterm.
We won the inside 50's.
We kicked 2.19.
There are 90 point losses where serious questions need to be asked and there are 90 point losses where you can say that nothing went right and we were simply outclassed.
I read threads on all club boards, not just my own. I enjoy seeing how other supporters are viewing things.
This always frustrates me. Pre-season I too probably would have predicted 10-12 wins and hopefully knocking on the door of the top 8. But when you're comfortably sitting inside the 8 with a 7-5 WL record after having knocked off the Pies and Power, its reasonable to upgrade your expectations. Winning just 3 of your final 10 games to limp to that 10 win 'pass' mark isn't that exciting.
It already has been Proven that one side has used similar type of Ross Lyon tactics to win a flag: Richmond of 2017.Agree.
But can Ross coach a style of footy that can win a GF?
I don't think he can.
For mine it isn't the Lyon "game plan" that is the problem (which has changed quite a bit over the journey anyway). More generally I think we over-rate game plans. There are so many different ways to win a footy game. What all winning teams share in common though is an ability to execute their game plan consistently and under pressure.It already has been Proven that one side has used similar type of Ross Lyon tactics to win a flag: Richmond of 2017.
Go watch the 2nd and 3rd quarters of the 2017 AFL grand final between richmond and crows.
Then go watch the 2nd and 3rd quarter of the 2013 Prelim final between freo and swans. Both the tigers and dockers tackled the opposition to near death and kicked 4 goals each in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.
This always frustrates me. Pre-season I too probably would have predicted 10-12 wins and hopefully knocking on the door of the top 8. But when you're comfortably sitting inside the 8 with a 7-5 WL record after having knocked off the Pies and Power, its reasonable to upgrade your expectations. Winning just 3 of your final 10 games to limp to that 10 win 'pass' mark isn't that exciting.
Man, there is always an excuse offered for our forward play.
Kicking 2.19 is beyond excuses. Its not as if our coaching team has a track record of coaching high performing forward lines.
Back in 2013 after losing the GF, Ross said we need to become "a two goal better team". Regardless of who has been on the list, our average points per game has been on a downward trend ever since (for completed seasons).
The problem has been well identified; its the capability(?)/willingness(?) to do something about it that appears to be lacking.
The track record is that this coaching group doesn't coach an effective forward setup. Last week was no outlier.
What you need to compare is your prediction if we had been missing Pearce, Lobb, Hogan and the rest.I agree as an emotionally involved fan. I do this myself.
It makes no sense if we perform better than expected to adjust your expectations up if you are not willing to adjust them down again if we then perform worse again. Development and performance are not linear and if you treat them as such you will consistently run into this problem.
I definitely raised my expectations after the Pies game. As such, the Blues game hit hard (Dees not so much). Going into the Derby my expectation were low again (not 2-19 low) so it was easier to take than Carlton. I think we are better than last year, but not by as much as I thought at 7-5.