List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

[GingerDocker]

I guess the only point I could see, would be that if it were to happen before the end of the season, there could still be applicants available...
The worry is that Carlton, North and Saint's fill their roles, then Ross is dropped and we are left having to take 4th best...
In saying that, I hope he does stay....I just have a bad feeling.....

We're probably a bit fortunate in that regard as the caretakers at all three of those must be favourites to get the job at this stage. It means the current assistant coach darlings like Carracella and Longmuir should be available if required.

 

[malpaso]

So Tabs doesn't lead but Cam does? It's becoming clearer why you think what you do.

As for the 3 ruck strategy, which talls should have played instead?

We should have played Lobb at FF, Darcy in the ruck and had another runner (Banfield, Crowden, etc..) or just kept McCarthy in. The 3 ruck setup was stupidity against the Bulldogs at Marvel.

 

[GingerDocker]

We should have played Lobb at FF, Darcy in the ruck and had another runner (Banfield, Crowden, etc..) or just kept McCarthy in. The 3 ruck setup was stupidity against the Bulldogs at Marvel.

This...Beveridge would have been licking his lips when the teams were confirmed on Friday.

 

[raffrox]

So Tabs doesn't lead but Cam does? It's becoming clearer why you think what you do.

As for the 3 ruck strategy, which talls should have played instead?

You're not going to have a go at defending playing three 200+ players are you? On the fastest track in the league against a team that loves to take the game on and run, run, run?

 

[MadMundy]

We need to play players in their natural positions. If that means we have to drop a few players due to over saturation so be it.

 

[dockshark]

We're probably a bit fortunate in that regard as the caretakers at all three of those must be favourites to get the job at this stage. It means the current assistant coach darlings like Carracella and Longmuir should be available if required.

I would worry that we may appear like a coach career killing club. I would think Caracella would think long and hard about whether or not he wants to risk his one shot as a Senior coach at a club like Freo, if in fact we do kill off the coaching career of someone like Ross.

I would hope the board exercise some serious caution here, and if they decide to remove him have a clear plan to ensure we are able to find a superior alternative.

 

[fnerd]

I guess the only point I could see, would be that if it were to happen before the end of the season, there could still be applicants available...
The worry is that Carlton, North and Saint's fill their roles, then Ross is dropped and we are left having to take 4th best...
In saying that, I hope he does stay....I just have a bad feeling.....

4th best?... what according to north ,saints and Carlton?... 3 clubs who have hardly set the world on fire with their football related decisions over the last 5-7 seasons.
I’d hope we don’t make decisions purely based off what clubs of their ilk do

 

[332docker]

I reckon more chance Adelaide will sack their coach before Lyon goes.

I reckon Lyon is shielding (taking the heat) the club - admin, assistant coaches, recruiters, senior players from a lot of the media flack coming freo's way, due their decision to do a full re-build in 2016 - he is a big boy, it's part of the business. But i would be shocked and disappointed if the club's board and management did nothing than their normal season review and ignored all the 6PR and west crap, which i believe are just about making sure eagles don't get negative press and freo cops the lot. (that said i would be disapointed if they are not doing a thorough review of the S&C dept, including webber).

How long would have another coach had lasted under the sustained negative media pressure? they would have been run out of town last year!

Until we start winning games that is not going to change, but I'm sure that we will be a lot better in 2020 and the pressure will be released somewhat for the entire club when we start winning games and hopefully the first derby...bring on 2020! for those of you who haven't been paying attention our younger players are developing and the stats don't lie. I hope they go hard again in the trade week and at the draft and Belly and his team get in some more talent to complemnet our current list, which now looks pretty good from end to end, something we haven't had for years...

 

[Nothing]

We should have played Lobb at FF, Darcy in the ruck and had another runner (Banfield, Crowden, etc..) or just kept McCarthy in. The 3 ruck setup was stupidity against the Bulldogs at Marvel.

From what I saw Lobb was mostly playing at FF. Darcy can't run out a game, he has been a disappointment this season. Sandi was the reason we could occasionally get a clearance.

You're not going to have a go at defending playing three 200+ players are you? On the fastest track in the league against a team that loves to take the game on and run, run, run?

I'm not here to defend the 3 ruck set up, I asked who should have come in? The answer appears to be Banfield who by all measures is a tagger not a forward, Crowden who is a midget (we've tried midget structures before - they didn't work) or McCarthy who was so lazy in the last game he didn't hold his spot as the only fwd taller than 192cm. We started trying to play Fyfe fwd, another thing people have been crying out for, and the result was he didn't touch the ball and Bont, Macrae and the dogs mids walked the ball out the middle.

 

[kingswood71]

4th best?... what according to north ,saints and Carlton?... 3 clubs who have hardly set the world on fire with their football related decisions over the last 5-7 seasons.
I’d hope we don’t make decisions purely based off what clubs of their ilk do

I agree, but I think you may have missed my point which is that the pool of coaches is not that big. 3 out of that pool leaves 3 less...

 

[Leslie_Chow]

I reckon more chance Adelaide will sack their coach before Lyon goes.

I reckon Lyon is shielding (taking the heat) the club - admin, assistant coaches, recruiters, senior players from a lot of the media flack coming freo's way, due their decision to do a full re-build in 2016 - he is a big boy, it's part of the business. But i would be shocked and disappointed if the club's board and management did nothing than their normal season review and ignored all the 6PR and west crap, which i believe are just about making sure eagles don't get negative press and freo cops the lot. (that said i would be disapointed if they are not doing a thorough review of the S&C dept, including webber).

How long would have another coach had lasted under the sustained negative media pressure? they would have been run out of town last year!

Until we start winning games that is not going to change, but I'm sure that we will be a lot better in 2020 and the pressure will be released somewhat for the entire club when we start winning games and hopefully the first derby...bring on 2020! for those of you who haven't been paying attention our younger players are developing and the stats don't lie. I hope they go hard again in the trade week and at the draft and Belly and his team get in some more talent to complemnet our current list, which now looks pretty good from end to end, something we haven't had for years...

Eagles cop plenty of negative press when given a chance (see Gaff last year). But other than a field off field things, their on field performance allows them to cop all of the positive press and deservedly so. Not only are we a rabble on field, but over the last few seasons we've been just as bad off field. You can't really blame the media feasting off this....

And to the point of our younger players developing, who actually is? Brayshaw yes...Ryan yes though he is a mature ager.

You can't actually believe that any of Tucker, Hughes, Duman, Switta, Blakely, Cerra and Darcy are developing enough at the moment to give us hope that we are heading in the right direction.

 

[fnerd]

I agree, but I think you may have missed my point which is that the pool of coaches is not that big. 3 out of that pool leaves 3 less...

Oh I know what you meant there but I was looking at it as 1 (potentially all 3) May choose their caretakers for the top job.
And I’d hazard a guess only ratten is one who would of been on any potential shortlist (maybe Shaw).

Reality is picking the next gun coach from untried assistants is very hit and miss and often happens quite arbitrarily and ends up being the one you Least expect -

Clarko but for dunstall (I think) was far from the hawks/media/fans choice was no where near “sexy” enough of a name assistant, plus had a few ex hawks coaches preferred instead of him

-Ross himself, wasn’t even on saints shortlist until walls advised them otherwise (was a consultant in the process)

Beveridge-was kinda last minute choice(was going to take up saints head of coaching b4 bulldogs come a knocking .

Neil Craig-was almost a total no name in the caper but would’ve got the eagles job(if woosha didn’t take itand a sign of wc professionalism that they saw his potential as coach)
Took an alright crowd side consecutive pre lims/top 2 spots only denied by ironically wooshas eagles.

Chris Scott-was not really a hyped up assistant at the time (was with us!!)but went close with port (they hired primus instead lol)
but was snavelled by Geelong after bomber left(another wise choice from a professional club)

Paul Roos-one caretaker who got the job and succeeded. Terry Wallace was all locked and loaded essentially.

There’s probe others but the only recent “high” profile assistant I can think of who lived up to the hype is Simpson.

Regardless I rate the people picking the coach/criteria just as much as the coach themselves.
Let’s hope bell and co/roscich and whoever else have got their shit sorted

 

[raffrox]

I'm not here to defend the 3 ruck set up, I asked who should have come in? The answer appears to be Banfield who by all measures is a tagger not a forward, Crowden who is a midget (we've tried midget structures before - they didn't work) or McCarthy who was so lazy in the last game he didn't hold his spot as the only fwd taller than 192cm. We started trying to play Fyfe fwd, another thing people have been crying out for, and the result was he didn't touch the ball and Bont, Macrae and the dogs mids walked the ball out the middle.

Others have already suggested some other options. From what you're saying it still seems that you think the 3 ruck option was the way to go? If you're not defending the 3 ruck set up then I'm not sure what you're doing.

 

[Belnakor]

I reckon more chance Adelaide will sack their coach before Lyon goes.

I reckon Lyon is shielding (taking the heat) the club - admin, assistant coaches, recruiters, senior players from a lot of the media flack coming freo's way, due their decision to do a full re-build in 2016 - he is a big boy, it's part of the business.

people seem to forget we have turned over more of our list than ANY team in the competition since 2016.

 

[Nothing]

Others have already suggested some other options. From what you're saying it still seems that you think the 3 ruck option was the way to go? If you're not defending the 3 ruck set up then I'm not sure what you're doing.

I'm asking for alternatives from the learned masses on BF. That's not defending, it's asking who it should have been. Of the 3 names given, I can think of many reasons why you'd pick Sandi over them.

 

[Leslie_Chow]

I'm asking for alternatives from the learned masses on BF. That's not defending, it's asking who it should have been. Of the 3 names given, I can think of many reasons why you'd pick Sandi over them.

Banfield, Crowden, Carter, North, Mccarthy, heck even Colyer would have made more sense.

Would love to know the reasons why you'd play three ruckmen, two of whom can't actually mark the ball, against the fastest team in the competition. Oh also that same team we managed to beat earlier in the year by only playing the one

 

[dont bowl there]

So Tabs doesn't lead but Cam does? It's becoming clearer why you think what you do.

As for the 3 ruck strategy, which talls should have played instead?

Yes. Correct, Tabs is best when taking one on one contested marks from long kicks and Cam is best when leading towards the football. That’s pretty obvious I would have thought.

 

[Steinfreo]

The three tall set up worked against the swans, which highlights even more the lack, maybe you could call it motivation or creativity, happening within the coach panel. They tried it again against a team that was different and it inevitably back fired. Man that was such a disappointing outcome. That was fundamentally our finals this weekend and we went out like a bunch of bitches on and off the field.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Anyone know what our % would be excluding the second derby?




98.9%

Except the the derby result with correlation to the past 3 seasons - can be seen as the norm.
The North game was by far and anomaly.
The past 6 weeks have put our season in line with the norm of our past 3 seasons.
Losses and injuries.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Listening to his press conference you hear him talking about shallow entries, vs deep. I believe you take the best option and if someone is open you kick it to them regardless if they are deep or not. It is like he is planning on us doing a bad kick.



You mentioned ground ball – what else went wrong do you think either side of quarter time?
Contest, ground ball. I thought they ran off. Our ability just to spread the ball – they had 140 kicks at half time – it’s world record pace. There will be a little bit about - they did counter punch out of the front half – but we wanted deeper entries and first opportunity we went short to ‘Sonny’ (Walters) rather than deep and it just gets taken out. I thought their midfield and their running backs put us through. I thought their half forwards – they passed it in really well and we made too many errors.

 

[Nothing]

Banfield, Crowden, Carter, North, Mccarthy, heck even Colyer would have made more sense.

Would love to know the reasons why you'd play three ruckmen, two of whom can't actually mark the ball, against the fastest team in the competition. Oh also that same team we managed to beat earlier in the year by only playing the one

I look at the list of names you have there and they are not inspiring. But OK, so we select Colyer and he runs sideways and get 10 touches and the MC get potted for selecting someone who isn't up to it. It's a no win situation (unless we win!) for the MC.

Yes. Correct, Tabs is best when taking one on one contested marks from long kicks and Cam is best when leading towards the football. That’s pretty obvious I would have thought.

You must be watching different footy players, Tabs gets space from his workrate. Cam gets defended from his standing still asking for the ball. If Cam led towards the ball, at the right time, with separation from his defender then he would get the ball kicked to him. Unfortunately for us, Cam hasn't been able to do that often enough.

Except the the derby result with correlation to the past 3 seasons - can be seen as the norm.
The North game was by far and anomaly.
The past 6 weeks have put our season in line with the norm of our past 3 seasons.
Losses and injuries.

In all of those seasons there were big wins (and bigger losses), my point is that cherry picking stats isn't required, there is plenty to debate without making flawed statements.

The second half of the season fade out, for example is relevant. Losses and injuries too. Leaving out one game, not so much.

 

[Bicco]

Just can't understand why Sandi is playing and not Dixon. Let him find out how good an AFL defender is. He might pluck a few marks and think 'I can do this'. I just don't understand his thinking.

 

[RTBF]

Look, I understand the commentary, it's a win loss business, would we rather be winning? Of course, but we're not strictly measured by performance on a win loss equation, are we improving with good system and effort, that's my benchmarking exercise and I'm really committed to remaining in the chair for the remainder of my contract.

 

[raffrox]

I look at the list of names you have there and they are not inspiring. But OK, so we select Colyer and he runs sideways and get 10 touches and the MC get potted for selecting someone who isn't up to it. It's a no win situation (unless we win!) for the MC.


You must be watching different footy players, Tabs gets space from his workrate. Cam gets defended from his standing still asking for the ball. If Cam led towards the ball, at the right time, with separation from his defender then he would get the ball kicked to him. Unfortunately for us, Cam hasn't been able to do that often enough.


In all of those seasons there were big wins (and bigger losses), my point is that cherry picking stats isn't required, there is plenty to debate without making flawed statements.

The second half of the season fade out, for example is relevant. Losses and injuries too. Leaving out one game, not so much.

I'm not sure what you are trying to defend in this thread.

Ross caught the Swans out with an overly tall line up at home against a young team. He tried the same again and misread the situation entirely.

And by his own admission got embarrassed.

 

[maccamk]

Listening to his press conference you hear him talking about shallow entries, vs deep. I believe you take the best option and if someone is open you kick it to them regardless if they are deep or not. It is like he is planning on us doing a bad kick.



You mentioned ground ball – what else went wrong do you think either side of quarter time?
Contest, ground ball. I thought they ran off. Our ability just to spread the ball – they had 140 kicks at half time – it’s world record pace. There will be a little bit about - they did counter punch out of the front half – but we wanted deeper entries and first opportunity we went short to ‘Sonny’ (Walters) rather than deep and it just gets taken out. I thought their midfield and their running backs put us through. I thought their half forwards – they passed it in really well and we made too many errors.

The comments relating to entries really stuck in my mind when I listened to the presser this morning.

To me it sounded like ignore all leads and bomb it in to our tall timber then hold the ball in. No wonder McCarthy struggles to string a series of good games together