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What do you guys think about him?

For me there's a couple of big question marks about him.

His handling of of Luke ball was shocking. How do you not give a player like ball more respect in a gf? He's a player with limitations, but plays to his strengths and imo is a player you want out there. To limit the game time of a big game player like ball was a huge Wtf moment imo. Ball's career obviously stalled under Lyons leadership and kudos to Collingwood for picking him up for next to nothing, and Lyon didn't deserve anything for ball, and how fitting that ball was able to get his revenge the following year. A player like ball was the difference in the end, considering the question marks over st kildas bottom 6, it wouldve essentially been a poor bottom 5 with ball.

Obviously the other questionable act was jumping ship. Lyon will be forever tainted for this act in my book. As a coach you don't turn your back on a side that's spilled blood for you. The captain goes down with the ship, he doesn't hitch a ride home and leave his passengers to drown. I think st kildas better off without him, I think he's overrated as a coach, he appears to be very rigid as a coach, which leads to the alienation of certain types of players. He's big on the whole buying into a culture, but at the end of the day, his culture failed to lead to the ultimate prize. His culture works well with mature players who know the end is close and will do anything to win a flag, but I don't think his.philosophy will work well with younger players. Both at Sydney & st Kilda, there was very little development of players, I don't think its a strength of Lyons and it'll he interesting to see how Freo do under him. I think his expectations lead to player burnout, we saw it at st Kilda, they couldn't keep the high pressure defensive game going. And I'll take it a step further and claim that all the at Kilda scandals were the result of a list of players who found it hard to cope with Lyons regimented coaching style. Particularly when they went home empty handed after buying into his culture.

I know its a bit of an old topic, but I just think he's a shit bloke and I hope Freo crack under his coaching tenure and Lyon is booted from the game once and.for all. Sorry Freo fans, I used to love freox but I just can't stand Lyon and wish that he does not taste success.
 

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People make mistakes. If Ross had his time again, he probably would've handled the Ball situation differently, but that's life and you move on.

I love the discipline and personal accountability that he has brought to Freo..
 
From our perspective we have picked up a former first round draftee from Ross Lyons school of development. Could not get a sniff under Ross but has, so far, looked a gun for us.

Im sure there are many reasons which contribute to a player turning things around, but you have to wonder how that happens.
 
What Culture????

He doesn't have any culture. All Lyon is about it HARD WORK. So you are saying hard work drove the St. Kilda boys to do naughty things. lol

That's exactly what I'm saying (whether people agree or not). When I've had a hectic week at work, I can't wait to crack a beer on Friday night and just relax. These guys would've been under alot more pressure to perform with a lot more scrutiny placed on them than I have at work.
 
I like him a lot. He doesn't stuff around with cliches and tells it like it is. He proved just how good he is as a coach in 2010 after Riewoldt went down. Their win against the Cats without him was epic.

And let's get over this Luke Ball business. They lost by two goals FFS. Those two could have come from anywhere and Ball hadn't played that well in 2009.

Jumping ship? So Essendon knife Knights, stacks of other clubs have sacked coaches, but it is wrong for a coach to sack a club and go elsewhere? Give me a break.

He will give the Dockers the edge they need. I'm looking forward to it.
 
Saints never gave Lyon a contract , verbally there might have been an agreement of sorts but Freo did ! ..... Lyon was in a personal financial crisis and the Freo job was a good deal and security for his family .

As for his coaching style , I dont like it , I recall a WB vs Saints a few seasons ago - 8 or 9 goals for the whole game , it was unbelieveable :eek:
 
What Culture????

He doesn't have any culture. All Lyon is about it HARD WORK. So you are saying hard work drove the St. Kilda boys to do naughty things. lol

Call it culture call is a style but Lyons certainly has one.

I actually like him and even think slightly better of Freo now that they have a decent coach. But no one is perfect I Lyon is far from it. His weakness IMO is the level of micro management he has shown, Saints had a fair few assistant coaches leave under Lyons and what a surprise the Freo backline coach has left a week before the season starts. Pretty obvious Lyon gave this guy a nudge and showed him the door.

The only critism I've heard about him is he drives his staff too hard, expects too much and takes over himself instead of delegating and sharing the management load and trusting his assitants.

Love his interviews, has a cheeky style and actually is pretty truthfull about things other coaches simply chose to avoid talking about.
 
Decent coach, but the way he knifed Mark Harvey and St.Kilda in the back, by hawking his services to Freo during the season was disgusting.
 

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From our perspective we have picked up a former first round draftee from Ross Lyons school of development. Could not get a sniff under Ross but has, so far, looked a gun for us.

Im sure there are many reasons which contribute to a player turning things around, but you have to wonder how that happens.

Imo, they're the questions you have to ask. I ask the same question of our swans culture/player development etc. We've been a side that generally looks to more mature players and haven't had too much success developing younger players. But the player's we've let go have generally not had much success at other clubs, so I feel as though our coaching staff get it right more tike than they get it wrong. However, if players are leaving one system and flourishing in another, you have to question why its happening.

I must say, Lyons focus on accountability is spot on. In all careers, not just footy, if you're not accountable then you can drop your game and point the finger at someone else, which encourages lazyness. He's got some good philosophies, but like I said, appears rigid, and I don't think he's the complete package as a coach, and for that reason.I think he'll have limited success
 
Saints never gave Lyon a contract , verbally there might have been an agreement of sorts but Freo did ! ..... Lyon was in a personal financial crisis and the Freo job was a good deal and security for his family .

As for his coaching style , I dont like it , I recall a WB vs Saints a few seasons ago - 8 or 9 goals for the whole game , it was unbelieveable :eek:

We did offer Lyon a contract with everything he asked for but at the last minute Freo offered him a more lucrative contract. He went there for more money pure and simple.

I was annoyed at first with the way Lyon left but now I think it will probably be better for us in the long run. We have revamped our whole football department and are putting a much bigger emphasis on player development. Watters has already been a breath of fresh air by being much more open to the media and looking at developing a more attacking game plan and giving our young players more opportunities.

I think if Lyon had stayed on our players would have got stale with the same game plan and suffered from burn out due to Lyon's relentless defensive style.
 
you think he's a shit bloke made me laugh. you don't know anything about him just what we've been fed from the media about the freo story, the luke ball story. it's not like we actually know what happened with these scenarios. whatever happened freo got a decent coach and the saints get another crack at it with a good squad and a newly motivated coach. don't think there are any massive losers in this.
 
We did offer Lyon a contract with everything he asked for but at the last minute Freo offered him a more lucrative contract. He went there for more money pure and simple.

I was annoyed at first with the way Lyon left but now I think it will probably be better for us in the long run. We have revamped our whole football department and are putting a much bigger emphasis on player development. Watters has already been a breath of fresh air by being much more open to the media and looking at developing a more attacking game plan and giving our young players more opportunities.

I think if Lyon had stayed on our players would have got stale with the same game plan and suffered from burn out due to Lyon's relentless defensive style.


I thought Lyon stated at a Perth Presser that the Saints hadn't officially offered a contract , a lot was being said on the deal . Anyway water under the bridge now !
 
you think he's a shit bloke made me laugh. you don't know anything about him just what we've been fed from the media about the freo story, the luke ball story. it's not like we actually know what happened with these scenarios. whatever happened freo got a decent coach and the saints get another crack at it with a good squad and a newly motivated coach. don't think there are any massive losers in this.

Ross Lying's actions left Mark Harvey, a decent man and good coach, distraught and pubicly humiliated, I'd say for sure he's a shit bloke.
 
Well starting today we get to find out the effects on both teams.

I think the level of improvement Lyon has made in Fremantle already eg hard work has brought something to the club that has been lacking. West coast did the same early on getting malthouse on board. I wish free had done this sooner.
 
He's a great coach.

Fremantle were ruthless in their approach (about time really).
Mark harvey was, as the US state department says , collateral.
And didn't the press love it!!

Ross Lying's actions left Mark Harvey, a decent man and good coach, distraught and pubicly humiliated, I'd say for sure he's a shit bloke.
We do not know what kind of bloke Lyon is. But we do know he's a better coach than Harvey
 
No surprises here Freo and Saints supporters covering his ass. The only thing I know about him is that he didn't value Ball as a first string player.

Ball came to the Pies and proved him wrong.
 
I thought Lyon stated at a Perth Presser that the Saints hadn't officially offered a contract , a lot was being said on the deal . Anyway water under the bridge now !

Apparently Lyon was given a contract to sign with St Kilda a day or two before he signed with Freo and was what he had asked for. St Kilda and Lyon's management expected that Lyon was going to sign it then all of a sudden he did an about face and signed with Freo.

Lyon tried to make out that St Kilda took too long to offer him a contract but it was Lyon changing management and requesting alterations to his new contract that delayed it. Freo just offered him more money than St Kilda, that's why he left.
 
No surprises here Freo and Saints supporters covering his ass. The only thing I know about him is that he didn't value Ball as a first string player.

Ball came to the Pies and proved him wrong.

More than just Saints and Dockers covering him. Could it be because he is a good coach? :confused:
 
you think he's a shit bloke made me laugh. you don't know anything about him just what we've been fed from the media about the freo story, the luke ball story. it's not like we actually know what happened with these scenarios. whatever happened freo got a decent coach and the saints get another crack at it with a good squad and a newly motivated coach. don't think there are any massive losers in this.

Obviously I don't know the guy personally, and like most people on this board, I get my info fed to me by the media, that goes without saying. what I do know is that ball went on to win a flag the following year and was instrumental in Collingwood achieving that, he's a proven leader and has really flourished at Collingwood. Something went wrong, whether it be a personality clash, or a disagreement, whatever the case, there's a strong chance that it cost st Kilda a flag. Ross Lyon was unable to make it work with a quality player.

We don't know these people, but if you read between the lines of what's fed to you it allows you to draw inferences about what happens behind closed doors. You can agree with my inferences or disagree. But you shouldn't assume that people swallow what the media feeds them without letting it digest.
 

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