Discussion Round 10, 2016 – Indigenous Round: Photos and Discussion

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

North's Jumper...

 

[Prison bar Pete]

I feel like the could have had the boomerang as the focus and got rid of the Lion. The Lion doesn't really fit with the indigenous style and is already on the back of the jumper anyway. Plus it works as a tribute to the Bears.

they could have used the (admittedly extinct) marsupial lion Thylacoleo - a formidable indigenous predator

 

[Roo Beauty]

My only problem with this other than the unfortunate placing of the circles it that the Crest is way too low now it's meant to be on the heart but they've lowered the afl and sponsorship logos to fit the Recognise logo on top and it's now all out of whack, the crest loses it's meaning, it's there for a reason and it's not just branding there is a story behind it.

Full stop bruh?

 

[Klim]

Carlton.

 

[_Damo_]

Carlton.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN ****ING DINNER

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

At least they have tried this year.
The last few they couldn't made the small design fade into the jumper more if they tried.

 

[NM_Mitchell]

Carlton.

Am I the only one bothered by the templates not matching?

 

[Andonis1997]

Carlton.

Front:
Back:

Am I the only one bothered by the templates not matching?

Or how it won't match up on gameday?

 

[Jack Stevens]

Hard to know how good that is until we see it in the flesh. It could still be a watermarked design like they've gone with the last couple of years.

Am I the only one bothered by the templates not matching?

I'm bothered that they didn't switch the collar and cuffs layer back on before they saved the .png

 

[Andonis1997]

Hard to know how good that is until we see it in the flesh. It could still be a watermarked design like they've gone with the last couple of years.

Hopefully that back will be.

 

[Jack Stevens]

Hopefully that back will be.

Nah turtles are cool

 

[aCunningPlan]

Nah turtles are cool

 

[Silent Alarm]

This thread has so many ignorant posts in it. Not racist, but pretty ****ing close to it. Take off your anglocentric glasses of 'design' and the modern idea of 'less is more' and understand that this artform is mostly a storytelling device and not a purely artistic one (as a jumper usually is).

 

[Teen Wolf]

Different kinds of art have different kinds of meaning to different kinds of people. Dictating how something should be consumed and comprehended goes against the essence of public creation.

 

[Gibbsy]

This thread has so many ignorant posts in it. Not racist, but pretty ******* close to it. Take off your anglocentric glasses of 'design' and the modern idea of 'less is more' and understand that this artform is mostly a storytelling device and not a purely artistic one (as a jumper usually is).

I think passing judgement on a commercialised piece of merchandise such as a footy jumper is different to criticising indigenous artwork as a whole. I'd be appalled if someone started teeing off at dot paintings and saying something stupid like how "busy" they are – it's no-one's place to criticise, nor is there any precedent anyway.

I don't want to speak on behalf of others but it looks like most here are just comparing the 'intensity', for want of a better word, from one guernsey to the next. Some are more detailed, some aren't. Some don't look that great, some do. On a design forum it's only natural to critique design, and I haven't seen anyone be disrespectful.

 

[Silent Alarm]

I think passing judgement on a commercialised piece of merchandise such as a footy jumper is different to criticising indigenous artwork as a whole. I'd be appalled if someone started teeing off at dot paintings and saying something stupid like how "busy" they are – it's no-one's place to criticise, nor is there any precedent anyway.

I don't want to speak on behalf of others but it looks like most here are just comparing the 'intensity', for want of a better word, from one guernsey to the next. Some are more detailed, some aren't. Some don't look that great, some do. On a design forum it's only natural to critique design, and I haven't seen anyone be disrespectful.

I just think comparing an ancient artform hastily to pacman or ignoring a story because it 'looks ugly' is just really reactive. It's not meant to be nasty or racist at all but it comes across a bit weird – I just feel like there's a lampooning or vitriol in these comments, and people are taking the piss, when these stories being told in the jumpers are something very similar to the stories Aboriginals have always told. As a white person if you slag one off... I dunno, I wouldn't. It seems a little too close to the lack of respect their art and innovation generally has.

 

[Mero]

I just think comparing an ancient artform hastily to pacman or ignoring a story because it 'looks ugly' is just really reactive. It's not meant to be nasty or racist at all but it comes across a bit weird – I just feel like there's a lampooning or vitriol in these comments, and people are taking the piss, when these stories being told in the jumpers are something very similar to the stories Aboriginals have always told. As a white person if you slag one off... I dunno, I wouldn't. It seems a little too close to the lack of respect their art and innovation generally has.

Without knowing the story, it's a little hard to do anything other than view it through one's own eyes and experiences.
These jumpers are put into the market, with little to no explanation.
This then raises the question are football jumpers the best place to exhibit artwork like this, and to represent the art correctly?

Case in point. And I'll use a non-indigenous source to remove that aspect of the debate.
Here's a rugby jersey with artwork on it.

It was supposed to be a local take on this Andy Warhol piece

The original sold for $80 Million. You could make a case for arguing this is art of the highest standing.
Personally, I think they're both a mess.
When it's hanging on a wall in a gallery, I have no interaction with it, I have no comment.
When you put it into a sporting arena, you open up commentary from the greater unwashed.
These are people who pay no mind to art, no mind to culture.

My contention would be the clubs themselves care little for the story of the artwork either.
Maybe I'm a little jaded and cynical, but these jumpers, like everything else these days in the game are opportunities for clubs to cash in on something different to the bog-standard Home jumpers. And I would argue that until they are released with some sort of framework or background to their meaning and perhaps with information about the artist then those putting them into the marketplace are only contributing to the ignorance, because they are the few in the position to educate and inform, yet choose not to.

 

[Mero]

Carlton.

I don't believe this was real.
Here's why.
1. The back and the front are different templates.
2. The Nike logo is missing from the front.
3. The OnField logo is see through, the design can be seen behind it.

But then I checked the link, and it's from the club shop.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

But then I checked the link, and it's from the club shop.

New level of lazy?

 

[aCunningPlan]

New level of lazy?

Is it possible the Carlton design is just the front and back panels of the jumper; excluding cuffs, collars, side panels, ect?

 

[Fizzler]

Mero the logos missing because they're not showing the collar.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Is it possible the Carlton design is just the front and back panels of the jumper; excluding cuffs, collars, side panels, ect?

It's still lazy that Carlton haven't managed to get a photo of a completed jumper or even a just a digital rendering of it.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Subbed.

I like Brisbane's the most and Essendon's the least.

Melbourne's is a bit meh.

 

[Fizzler]

Without knowing the story, it's a little hard to do anything other than view it through one's own eyes and experiences.
These jumpers are put into the market, with little to no explanation.
This then raises the question are football jumpers the best place to exhibit artwork like this, and to represent the art correctly?

Case in point. And I'll use a non-indigenous source to remove that aspect of the debate.
Here's a rugby jersey with artwork on it.

It was supposed to be a local take on this Andy Warhol piece

The original sold for $80 Million. You could make a case for arguing this is art of the highest standing.
Personally, I think they're both a mess.
When it's hanging on a wall in a gallery, I have no interaction with it, I have no comment.
When you put it into a sporting arena, you open up commentary from the greater unwashed.
These are people who pay no mind to art, no mind to culture.

My contention would be the clubs themselves care little for the story of the artwork either.
Maybe I'm a little jaded and cynical, but these jumpers, like everything else these days in the game are opportunities for clubs to cash in on something different to the bog-standard Home jumpers. And I would argue that until they are released with some sort of framework or background to their meaning and perhaps with information about the artist then those putting them into the marketplace are only contributing to the ignorance, because they are the few in the position to educate and inform, yet choose not to.

I ****ing love stare francais.

 

[Timewaster]

I just think comparing an ancient artform hastily to pacman or ignoring a story because it 'looks ugly' is just really reactive. It's not meant to be nasty or racist at all but it comes across a bit weird – I just feel like there's a lampooning or vitriol in these comments, and people are taking the piss, when these stories being told in the jumpers are something very similar to the stories Aboriginals have always told.

The clubs and the artists have slapped them on a piece of apparel and then banged logos and commercials on top of them. When they're worn they'll be slammed into the dirt and likely be ripped. Hardly respectful from anybody concerned - you come off sounding a bit precious.

As a white person if you slag one off... I dunno, I wouldn't. It seems a little too close to the lack of respect their art and innovation generally has.

This is a dangerous road to go down, and one that is inappropriate to this board. Which races are allowed to criticise the heraldry-inspired paddlepop lion, for example? PPL is Western art and your stance would suggest that Asians, for example, have no right to comment on them. Limiting criticism or commentary on the basis of race is the only offensive thing I've seen on this thread.