Discussion Round 12, 2016: Photos and Discussion

[Red Crow]

No, its the whole ""interstate" club clash jumper rule" vs the ""Victorian" club clash jumper rule"

I know it seems like that most of the time, but its not really the case in this particular situation. Hawthorn are a Victorian club after all.

 

[walhawk]

Hawthorn will wear their stupid away jumper even though it actually makes things worse than their home jumper would.

Have worn far less this year. Since GF when we wore home/white. Reckon they will go with that.

 

[Red Crow]

Have worn far less this year. Since GF when we wore home/white. Reckon they will go with that.

It feels that way, but I think its just a circumstance of the fixture. You've had five away games this season, and have worn it twice:

Round 1 v Geelong
Round 3 v Western Bulldogs

The games you didn't wear it:

Round 6 v GWS - you wore the white clash as always against them.

Round 7 v Richmond - you wore home with white shorts as the brown would be the mother of all clashes.

Round 10 v Brisbane - was Indigenous round.

Having a quick look at the remaining away games, I'm expecting the brown to be worn in all except the West Coast game, where you would wear the clash. If they go home/white in some of the others, then perhaps there has been a change of policy, but I'd need some more evidence at this stage.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Round 7 v Richmond - you wore home with white shorts as the brown would be the mother of all clashes.

The logic that the home is okay against Richmond but not us is truly mind boggling.

 

[Red Crow]

The logic that the home is okay against Richmond but not us is truly mind boggling.

I think its more that the away is not okay against Richmond, but is against you. Its flawed logic, but thats the logic they're going with. The mutual gold is what causes the clash in Rich-Haw, but the brown/black doesn't in Ess-Haw... apparently.

They don't wear the brown as a clash jumper. Its meant for all away games, unless it doesn't work in which case they revert to home (Rich) or white (Adel/GWS/WCE).

 

[Heardy_101]

I know it seems like that most of the time, but its not really the case in this particular situation. Hawthorn are a Victorian club after all.

""Big 4" club clash jumper rule".

Better? Lol

 

[Red Crow]

""Big 4" club clash jumper rule".

Better? Lol

Much!

 

[Andonis1997]

There was a theory going around here that the brown guernsey was a "night" away guernsey?
Is that theory still intact? Sounds like they haven't worn it yet because of clashing issues.

 

[Red Crow]

There was a theory going around here that the brown guernsey was a "night" away guernsey?
Is that theory still intact? Sounds like they haven't worn it yet because of clashing issues.

Well they've worn it twice this year and both have been day games, soooo....

 

[Andonis1997]

Well they've worn it twice this year and both have been day games, soooo....

I rest my cas- whaaaaa?

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Silent Alarm is an advocate for night jumpers.
He's probably right that it'll become the next trend though.

 

[HTT]

""Big 4" club clash jumper rule".

Better? Lol

It's really not though. Adelaide v Port? Sydney v GWS?

 

[Heardy_101]

It's really not though. Adelaide v Port? Sydney v GWS?

"Traditional rivalries" rule.

Which brings me to next point, why don't WCE and Freo just wear white shorts vs each other or Brisbane vs Gold Coast? How are they not "traditional"

 

[walhawk]

It feels that way, but I think its just a circumstance of the fixture. You've had five away games this season, and have worn it twice:

Round 1 v Geelong
Round 3 v Western Bulldogs

The games you didn't wear it:

Round 6 v GWS - you wore the white clash as always against them.

Round 7 v Richmond - you wore home with white shorts as the brown would be the mother of all clashes.

Round 10 v Brisbane - was Indigenous round.

Having a quick look at the remaining away games, I'm expecting the brown to be worn in all except the West Coast game, where you would wear the clash. If they go home/white in some of the others, then perhaps there has been a change of policy, but I'd need some more evidence at this stage.

You may be right. All promo stuff from the club this week has used images of us in brown.

 

[hitthepost]

Having a quick look at the remaining away games, I'm expecting the brown to be worn in all except the West Coast game, where you would wear the clash.

Now that WCE aren't wearing the TP jumper, Hawthorn would be "fine" to wear the brown jumper in this away game. It's pretty much the same as wearing it against Carlton...unless the wings create the clash (in which case WCE shouldn't be allowed to wear royal wings away to Hawthorn, which they do). Also unless the AFL forgets WCE have infinitely less gold on their home jumper now and be "oh it's away to WCE that means white jumper".

 

[Red Crow]

Now that WCE aren't wearing the TP jumper, Hawthorn would be "fine" to wear the brown jumper in this away game. It's pretty much the same as wearing it against Carlton...unless the wings create the clash (in which case WCE shouldn't be allowed to wear royal wings away to Hawthorn, which they do). Also unless the AFL forgets WCE have infinitely less gold on their home jumper now and be "oh it's away to WCE that means white jumper".

They should be fine now to wear their home jumper, really. That would be a much better contrast than the brown, and it was really the vertical navy/gold and brown/gold that made it a mess previously. But Hawthorn stated in the literature with the new clash jumper competition that their white kit is worn against Adelaide, GWS and West Coast.

There are a few possible reasons for this:

- The AFL may have just continued with the previous ruling without taking the new West Coast home jumper into consideration.

- The AFL did take the new Eagles jumper into consideration, but still considered it a clash (ie. deliberately maintained their inconsistencies).

- Perhaps Hawthorn want to wear the white for exposure and have nominated these teams as the best ones to wear it against.

 

[hitthepost]

They should be fine now to wear their home jumper, really. That would be a much better contrast than the brown, and it was really the vertical navy/gold and brown/gold that made it a mess previously. But Hawthorn stated in the literature with the new clash jumper competition that their white kit is worn against Adelaide, GWS and West Coast.

There are a few possible reasons for this:

- The AFL may have just continued with the previous ruling without taking the new West Coast home jumper into consideration.

- The AFL did take the new Eagles jumper into consideration, but still considered it a clash (ie. deliberately maintained their inconsistencies).

- Perhaps Hawthorn want to wear the white for exposure and have nominated these teams as the best ones to wear it against.

Or even just Hawthorn went with the list of who they currently clash with and didn't even consider if anyone had changed their guernsey. Perhaps when they put everything together for the comp WCE's jumper change hadn't been confirmed and they didn't bother changing it when it was, if they still had time to. Not sure on the timeline there.

 

[Silent Alarm]

"Traditional rivalries" rule.

Which brings me to next point, why don't WCE and Freo just wear white shorts vs each other or Brisbane vs Gold Coast? How are they not "traditional"

Freo are very happy not having a solid home and a changing away strip; they see themselves as having two strips basically. But the Eagles are obviously still interested in trying out new away jumpers. They clearly see bringing in the peril as the obvious clash as being an issue, because no one will ever want them to remove it and bring in another generic looking away design. However, surely the peril would be the go-to 'one off' jumper for away derbies. I've always thought that would make sense.

The Eagles' marketing is all about claiming 'the west.' Surely reinforcing the 'we were the WA team' thing would make sense. Sort of like Adelaide being 'the team for all South Australians' while Port peddle a historical, powerful, traditional angle. It could add just that little more sense of dichotomy supporters like. State v city sort of thing.

 

[oak79]

They should be fine now to wear their home jumper, really. That would be a much better contrast than the brown, and it was really the vertical navy/gold and brown/gold that made it a mess previously. But Hawthorn stated in the literature with the new clash jumper competition that their white kit is worn against Adelaide, GWS and West Coast.

I personally think Hawks home (yellow) works better v WCE navy home than the brown jumper. There's no clash there at all - it worked in the Grand Final with us wearing Royal version of the same jumper, it will work v Navy.

 

[oak79]

But the Eagles are obviously still interested in trying out new away jumpers. They clearly see bringing in the peril as the obvious clash as being an issue, because no one will ever want them to remove it and bring in another generic looking away design. However, surely the peril would be the go-to 'one off' jumper for away derbies. I've always thought that would make sense.

The Eagles' marketing is all about claiming 'the west.' Surely reinforcing the 'we were the WA team' thing would make sense. Sort of like Adelaide being 'the team for all South Australians' while Port peddle a historical, powerful, traditional angle. It could add just that little more sense of dichotomy supporters like. State v city sort of thing.

Stocks and Nisbett have both stated they like the idea of the yellow clash - and have hinted delays may be getting AFL approval.

We've kept the same Away jumper for a long time now - but it's the white clash that has to go (and that hasn't actually changed much since it was introduced). With yellow based jumper WCE would still have 3 jumpers - but they would be a consistent wings designs (Navy Home, Royal Away, Yellow Clash). It would give the Eagles a much stronger jumper brand identity - similar to what Freo achieved with their 2 consistent jumpers.

 

[Red Crow]

I personally think Hawks home (yellow) works better v WCE navy home than the brown jumper. There's no clash there at all - it worked in the Grand Final with us wearing Royal version of the same jumper, it will work v Navy.

Yeah that's what I was saying. The Hawks home would be perfectly fine against the new Eagles home. I think the major problem was both jumpers featuring similar colours (gold and navy/brown) in a similar vertical stripe pattern. Now with the Eagles ditching that, there shouldn't really be a problem, although it seems Hawthorn will continue to wear their white jumper in away games against you.

The Hawks brown jumper would still be terrible against the new Eagles home, although no more terrible than it is against the likes of Carlton, Collingwood, Port, etc.

 

[Red Crow]

But the Eagles are obviously still interested in trying out new away jumpers. They clearly see bringing in the peril as the obvious clash as being an issue, because no one will ever want them to remove it and bring in another generic looking away design.

This is a bit of a myth I see on here from time to time. The Eagles have essentially had the same away jumper since 2003 (royal wings) and same clash jumper since 2010 (white "tablecloth", since its introduction). They seem like the sort of club that likes to change up their jumpers a lot, but the fact is they just don't.

 

[Smeagle]

I think the Eagles have moved on from the Ochre and Tablecloth as experiments. The white clash jumper was only brought in to fulfil a stupid AFL requirement. I'm relatively confident the club has consolidated, with the extensive fan feedback, that wings are the only look that will stand. The eagle head is a whole other matter, and will have stylistic alterations over time before probably reaching a legacy design like Carlton's monogram.

West Coast's royal doesn't even clash with Fremantle - even less so now than in 2009 with the bigger wings, lack of white outlines and darker purple. It's pretty much the Carlton matchup. It's just an easy excuse to wear an abject failure of a clash jumper at Subiaco.

 

[wing it]

Yeah that's what I was saying. The Hawks home would be perfectly fine against the new Eagles home. I think the major problem was both jumpers featuring similar colours (gold and navy/brown) in a similar vertical stripe pattern. Now with the Eagles ditching that, there shouldn't really be a problem, although it seems Hawthorn will continue to wear their white jumper in away games against you.

The Hawks brown jumper would still be terrible against the new Eagles home, although no more terrible than it is against the likes of Carlton, Collingwood, Port, etc.

Slightly more terrible due to yellow/gold numbers. otherwise agree with all you said.

 

[wing it]

I think the Eagles have moved on from the Ochre and Tablecloth as experiments. The white clash jumper was only brought in to fulfil a stupid AFL requirement. I'm relatively confident the club has consolidated, with the extensive fan feedback, that wings are the only look that will stand. The eagle head is a whole other matter, and will have stylistic alterations over time before probably reaching a legacy design like Carlton's monogram.

West Coast's royal doesn't even clash with Fremantle - even less so now than in 2009 with the bigger wings, lack of white outlines and darker purple. It's pretty much the Carlton matchup. It's just an easy excuse to wear an abject failure of a clash jumper at Subiaco.

A legacy design, you say? lmach's logo, anyone?