Review Round 21, 2022 - Brisbane Lions vs. Carlton

Who were your five best players against Carlton?

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Nathan Barley said:
Matho has become overrated very quickly. Funny reaction
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Nah.

The same people who had high opinions of him still do.

Some of us who thought he was depth now think he's best 22, albeit probably in the 18-22 range.

Some still think he's depth and this is temporary and he'll get pushed out.

The main difference is the frequency of posting.
 
dlanod said:
Nah.

The same people who had high opinions of him still do.

Some of us who thought he was depth now think he's best 22, albeit probably in the 18-22 range.

Some still think he's depth and this is temporary and he'll get pushed out.

The main difference is the frequency of posting.
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Kinda the same thing...same same as Nathan Barley 's comment but said differently.
 

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Nathan Barley said:
Matho has become overrated very quickly. Funny reaction
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He’s certainly better than when he last played and most people that talk about him mention he still has the same issues. He’s been performing well for what people had expected so it’s not crazy to talk positively about him.
 
mattsmob said:
He’s certainly better than when he last played and most people that talk about him mention he still has the same issues. He’s been performing well for what people had expected so it’s not crazy to talk positively about him.
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Yeah the GWS and Carlton games were quite good but they need to be the standard if he's going to be a full time midfielder

Despite how he's played I'd still drop him if we thought Lyons and/or Zorko could get back to their 2021 form
 
Mighty Lions said:
Is there any other business (other than Govt funded & run) that is different?

You make it sound like he was ignored which he wasn't / isnt.

I am happy to see Matho perform well in the last few games. But, the reason he is back is because of the obvious improvement in his game and there is still a lot of improvement needed for him to become a regular in our best 22. I hope his game continues to get better & better. At 25 years old he has a lot of footy in front of him and hopefully his improvement keeps on keeping on and he becomes a regular in our side.
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Not ignored, and totally agree he has improved. Just that coaches or bosses watch developing staff/players over years it can be hard to look at them with fresh eyes. It applies not just to matho, it out club. It's everywhere.
 
Nathan Barley said:
Yeah the GWS and Carlton games were quite good but they need to be the standard if he's going to be a full time midfielder

Despite how he's played I'd still drop him if we thought Lyons and/or Zorko could get back to their 2021 form
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Yeah I agree with that however on this years form I’d play him ahead of Lyons at this stage.
 
Nathan Barley said:
Matho has become overrated very quickly. Funny reaction
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I don't think too many are overrating him.

All I was saying is that he's a lot better than I thought he would be. Which means like many others I underrated him. And he's added a bit of energy and excitement on occasions to the team.

Whether he can continue to improve and provide a bankable contest against better opposition we shall see.

But the reaction from some around here means that he's going to attract more scrutiny than lots of others who generally get a free pass which I guess is the cross he has to bear.
 
martinson said:
It's interesting that those who continually marked down Matho as AFL level seem to have doubled down that he's not what we want and won't last. Ironically as he's gotten better.

The same logic that still brands Keays as not much of a player.

I've got to be honest I never rated Matho for all the reasons that people still say they don't rate him. But there's come a time for me to admit that he really has added energy and a bit of excitement to the team and he's a lot better player than ever I thought he would be. He has one or two moments a game where his raw energy excites the group.

The interesting thing to add is that his inside handballs have improved out of sight and he's doing things I never thought him capable of.

OK ,he'll never be a champ , he's got deficiencies ,but he's worked very hard on the abilities he does have and gives it his all. So kudos to him for sticking at it and adding something to the team.
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Every great team needs role players and I think Matho going forward is going to be an important one. You don't need every midfielder to be an out and out star.
 
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^^^ Matho fans/stans finally enjoying some time in the spotlight.

PS: I am a Matho fan. We talk about a team of champions and needing those role players to elevate others. Matho fits that mould. If he can stick a tackle, lay a block and get a handball out I am more than happy with his output. It means we get someone who can sacrifice their game to get Neale off a tag. It means Suitcase can be first reciever and use his evasiveness and foot skills to get fantastic kicks out. It also means we can move Berry out of the middle where I think he is more damaging as that winger type. JL was doing this role perfectly until this year where it seems age is catching up to him. So having Matho has helped JL share that burden. Whats more, we get this output without paying out the arse for a Hopper type to do the exact same thing. I think Matho is doing for us what Brodie has done for Freo (on much larger coin as well).
 

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If you want a good Tuesday morning vibe, go and watch from 5 minutes left in the 4th when we pulled our finger back out. Had clearly put the cue in the rack on reflection and we literally scored at will when we had to.
 
I'm still skeptical that we can carry Matho and Lyons in our team long term, I feel like for our team that is a serious contender at the pointy end probably only has one of those guys in the best 22.

I am worried about Lyons' drop off this season, especially that he's down from 80% TOG last year to 75% TOG, yet still looks like he's struggling to cover the ground required both ways. His GPS stats would be interesting, but I suspect they've dropped off a fair bit.
 
I don’t know what more people want Matho to do.

Had 24 touches, 11 contested @ 75% DE. Had 8 score involvements and kicked one himself. Spent a 97/129 minutes on the ground, had 5 clearances himself. 59% defensive half and 41% offensive half so he’s clearly running two ways.

The bloke has earned his spot and is pretty bloody good.
 
RU_ said:
I don’t know what more people want Matho to do.

Had 24 touches, 11 contested @ 75% DE. Had 8 score involvements and kicked one himself. Spent a 97/129 minutes on the ground, had 5 clearances himself. 59% defensive half and 41% offensive half so he’s clearly running two ways.

The bloke has earned his spot and is pretty bloody good.
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Yeah his game on the weekend was good but that's where he needs to be at. Probably 3 out of 4 games need to be at least this good
 
royboys4eva said:
One of the better things Jason Baldwin did in a Fitzroy jumper.
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An old acquaintance I know who played at Fitzroy - he said Jason was also bloody good at turning up Sunday morning (for memory) after a huge night out and training the house down haha.
 

Brisbane v Carlton​

9 Lachie Neale (BL)
8 Zac Bailey (BL)
7 Oscar McInerney (BL)
2 Rhys Mathieson (BL)
2 Harris Andrews (BL)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
1 Daniel McStay (BL)
_______________________

LEADERBOARD​

88 Lachie Neale (BL)
88 Touk Miller (GCFC)
86 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
86 Christian Petracca (MELB)
75 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
75 Connor Rozee (PORT)
72 Andrew Brayshaw (FRE)
67 Jeremy Cameron (GEEL)
57 Shai Bolton (RICH)
56 Callum Mills (SYD)
55 Chad Warner (SYD)
54 Sam Walsh (CARL)
53 Hugh McCluggage (BL)
 
M Malice said:

Brisbane v Carlton​

9 Lachie Neale (BL)
8 Zac Bailey (BL)
7 Oscar McInerney (BL)
2 Rhys Mathieson (BL)
2 Harris Andrews (BL)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
1 Daniel McStay (BL)
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What???? Where are the 10 Votes for the inspirational leadership and putting his body on the line for his team of the young captain-sniper? :cool:
 
Nathan Barley said:
Yeah his game on the weekend was good but that's where he needs to be at. Probably 3 out of 4 games need to be at least this good
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Since his inclusion his stats have been pretty similar every week.

I just don’t understand the Matho bashing, he is a long way past his first couple of seasons.
 
Despite Matho having a rep for "hack kicks", they are penetrating and cover atleast 40m of territory. Sometimes you can be too tricky for your own good, eg Neale in the last quarter going for the impossible kick. We play a territory game and when everyone is pressuring at 100%, matho's penetrating hack kicks are a thing of beauty.
 
RU_ said:
Since his inclusion his stats have been pretty similar every week.

I just don’t understand the Matho bashing, he is a long way past his first couple of seasons.
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Matho bashing is not on this board. In fact, I think everyone here is pleased with his inclusion and pleased with his performance once he came into the team.
In saying that, he needs to keep it up and continue on with this form to become a regular in the 22.
 

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