Preview Round 21 - St. Kilda v Brisbane Lions (Sunday, 4 August 2024 at Marvel Stadium)

[Kernel Kurtz]

We were in that ground level positron last year and it was ... ordinarily.

People in the rows behind us (like a bus load) were at their first ever game. Kept asking people to sit down when exciting things were happening and what the rules were. Mood killers.

Lol , that's the only down side of the gabba being crowded.
I can put up with the queues , but the bone heads around you talking about their next holiday or shopping , like everybody else wants to hear about it, always about themselves , then they jump up when we do something , not knowing what it was.
Can't wait for us to be on the bottom again, lol .
Tbh it's mainly some lady behind us, doesn't stop flapping her gums, lucky I'm an understanding empathetic person that understands some people just have to be heard.

 

[lionsrules]

even though Harris missed out due to concussion the fact that he spent a week off heading into the last 4 rounds would’ve been the little advantage of ‘managing’ him. Also considering how much time he spends on the ground and the work he does good to have him rested and get the 4 points on the weekend.

 

[McIvor]

In the mix, R21: Who's under the pump, pushing for selection?​

The Lions expect to get co-captain Harris Andrews back for Sunday's clash against St Kilda as he continues to tick off testing through his concussion protocols. His return would likely cause a reshuffle with Eric Hipwood returning to the forward line and possibly youngster Henry Smith falling out of the 22. Bruce Reville was dropped back to the VFL and responded strongly at the weekend and would be a chance of a recall. Mid-season recruit Luke Beecken continues to impress at the lower level. – Michael Whiting

Last week's sub: Conor McKenna (replaced Shadeau Brain)

After back-to-back wins against West Coast and Essendon, St Kilda is settled right now. Arie Schoenmaker found plenty of the ball at Sandringham, finishing with 29 disposals against Essendon's reserves. Olli Hotton and Angus McLennan were both busy as they push for late-season debuts, while Paddy Dow finished with 22 disposals and seven clearances as he looks to force his way back into Ross Lyon's 23. – Josh Gabelich

Last week's sub: Hugo Garcia (unused)

 

[twhowler]

even though Harris missed out due to concussion the fact that he spent a week off heading into the last 4 rounds would’ve been the little advantage of ‘managing’ him. Also considering how much time he spends on the ground and the work he does good to have him rested and get the 4 points on the weekend.

I think this has some merit, albeit with the caveat it seems to me some players are a bit iffy when they come back after 2 weeks.

But he copped some brutal physical hits v the swans, will definitely help getting a full 2 weeks off.

No plane trip from 14 July until when we fly down on 3 august for the whole side, and an 8 day break, is a nice little refresh before the final 4 weeks. Whatever happens this week we should be fresh!

 

[Denno]

We got on rex this morning to book then saw they were suspended on the stock exchange. Will wait for the announcement prior to booking with them or go with a different airline. They have the best transfer/swap flight policy.

Book elsewhere. Their capital city flights won't be coming back.

 

[dlanod]

Book elsewhere. Their capital city flights won't be coming back.

Definitely looks like it which is upsetting - even at a higher price point (most of the time) they were so much better, on time, reliable, comfortable, than the rest.

 

[Section 5]

My daughter booked accommodation on Sunday for the GF.
It can be cancelled for free up to the Tuesday before the GF.
I think my daughter will go again with the Virgin $99 cancelation fee (last years price) assuming that is still offered.

With Rex now out of competition it leaves the major ones to most likely up their prices just to help everyone out

 

[Denno]

Definitely looks like it which is upsetting - even at a higher price point (most of the time) they were so much better, on time, reliable, comfortable, than the rest.

Reports relating to on-board experience were certainly positive (I hadn't flown on the 737). Always sad when someone goes under.

There's a whole backstory as to how they ended up here though (not that I have the full picture, but there's enough commentary to piece it together somewhat).

I won't derail the thread however!

 

[Clarkythelion]

We got on rex this morning to book then saw they were suspended on the stock exchange. Will wait for the announcement prior to booking with them or go with a different airline. They have the best transfer/swap flight policy.

oh I meant our grand final flight tickets are booked

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

We were in that ground level positron last year and it was ... ordinarily.

People in the rows behind us (like a bus load) were at their first ever game. Kept asking people to sit down when exciting things were happening and what the rules were. Mood killers.

I missed the 2001 Grand Final as I was sitting in the cheer squad and these obese twins were right in front of me and every time the Lions came forward they would stand up ages before anyone. They were told to stop it but they had trouble with impulse control. Obviously.

Remember Pike's snap in the third quarter. I did not see it until I got home from Crown at 4.00 am and watched the replay.

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

Lol , that's the only down side of the gabba being crowded.
I can put up with the queues , but the bone heads around you talking about their next holiday or shopping , like everybody else wants to hear about it, always about themselves , then they jump up when we do something , not knowing what it was.
Can't wait for us to be on the bottom again, lol .
Tbh it's mainly some lady behind us, doesn't stop flapping her gums, lucky I'm an understanding empathetic person that understands some people just have to be heard.

KK the poor woman needs some implants so she doesn't flap so much.

Refer her in.

 

[Timetoroarlike44]

Crickets on darragh joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

?

Who was old mate again who had the inside mail?

 

[Perrip]

Crickets on darragh joyce?

No solid info confirmed by the club, but someone on the r/brisbanelions subreddit mentioned that he isn't expected to be back soon. Googling recovery times, the less severe the fracture, the less time a player is away from their sport and vice-versa.

 

[buttermuffs]

No solid info confirmed by the club, but someone on the r/brisbanelions subreddit mentioned that he isn't expected to be back soon. Googling recovery times, the less severe the fracture, the less time a player is away from their sport and vice-versa.

He did play out a whole game after fracturing it in the first so it’s possibly not that bad.

 

[Sproj]

Googling recovery times, the less severe the fracture, the less time a player is away from their sport and vice-versa.

You needed to Google that?

 

[Ad Astra]

Does Logan Morris keep his spot, has been well down his last 2 AFL performances, might need a week off all footy.

With Hippy going back forward we could go with one of Bruce Reville or Harry Sharp to give us a bit more run.

Smith/Morris out, Andrews/Sharp in?

I do think this is a big danger game, confident on our following 3 games.

Have to disagree. Morris was good against the suns. Had a deft touch in possession and worked hard. Tbh, I thought he was quiet until I watched the replay. It was hard to pick up the no. 13 on tv but he was right in it. Has class. A natural.

 

[Perrip]

You needed to Google that?

Nah, I was googling it as I was curious about what other footy/sport players had experienced a fractured jaw and how bad their injuries were/recovery time

 

[Timetoroarlike44]

No solid info confirmed by the club, but someone on the r/brisbanelions subreddit mentioned that he isn't expected to be back soon. Googling recovery times, the less severe the fracture, the less time a player is away from their sport and vice-versa.

Hmm. Best guess from that then he would be round 23 at best?

Which is about the same time as Payne.

Still relevant as who know if Payne breaks down.

But it means we are vulnerable v the giants.

Hogan is so far their best forward i’d think harris gets him BUT hogan good on the lead. So maybe it’s Lester.

Hogan is listed at 196cm. His best weapon is just reading the ball though. So experience / nous trumps height. Let’s go Ryan

 

[Grasshopper17]

Listening to Daniel Hoyne on SEN last night, St Kilda is elite in a number of important categories at the moment including the all important front half turnover game where they sit 2nd. Definitely not a team we can just show up and beat.

Absolutely. Looking at recent weeks there's a couple of areas where they've been strong while we've been weak, and the reverse is true as well. The breakdown is a bit untidy as to what it all means, but I'll do my best

Both teams look to be pretty good at preventing the opposition from getting a hit-out to advantage, but not very good at generating a hit-out to advantage themselves. So the ruck duel shapes as being a nil-all draw.

Aerially they will be a concern I think, even notwithstanding our noted tall defender issues at the moment. They are currently the #1 contested marking team in the comp, where we are #14 for conceding contested marks. Interestingly we are #14 in the comp for conceding marks inside our defensive 50, but #5 for losing contests behind the ball. So weaving my way through that, we probably need to avoid kicking to one on ones whenever possible, and pressure their ball movement so that it favours our defenders in the air.

We are #14 for conversion from set shots and #14 for the quality of shots we're able to create in general play (i.e. not set shots). Against St Kilda's stingy defence you would imagine we will have to make more of our chances than we have been of late.

If we can make it a kicking game, this will favour us. Our kicking is by and large excellent, theirs generally has been quite ordinary, possibly because they prefer to play fast and/or move the ball by hand. They tend to generate more scores from their back half, so I imagine they will want to bring this style on Sunday.

On the flipside, we have been good at forcing errors when the other team kicks, but St Kilda struggle to force the same errors. This says to me that our defensive structure will be important on Sunday, while St Kilda will rely on their on-ball pressure.

Having said that, St Kilda are #14 for conceding marks, and also #14 for conceding marks on the lead. This has the potential to play into our hands if we are able to win the ball - we are #1 for marks taken and #2 for marks on the lead.

So if we are able to get the ball outside their zone of pressure, we have been #1 in recent weeks at not allowing intercept marks against us. So, play to our strengths, shift their defence around, try to open up space through the corridor, and kick to space instead of an overhead one-on-one if we have the choice.

And on winning the ball, we are #4 for clearances (vs #15), #4 for conceding inside 50s and #6 for scoring from clearances (vs #13). We also tend to score more heavily from our front half. So, as we say often, if our midfield can win the ball often enough, it should allow us to play the game on our terms.

Random note to finish - we are #5 for free kicks, they are #17 for frees against. So if we can get in their heads a bit, it might work in our favour a bit with the men in fluoro.

Translation for Nunez... if we score more points it looks like we will win.

 

[Nunez]

Absolutely. Looking at recent weeks there's a couple of areas where they've been strong while we've been weak, and the reverse is true as well. The breakdown is a bit untidy as to what it all means, but I'll do my best

Both teams look to be pretty good at preventing the opposition from getting a hit-out to advantage, but not very good at generating a hit-out to advantage themselves. So the ruck duel shapes as being a nil-all draw.

Aerially they will be a concern I think, even notwithstanding our noted tall defender issues at the moment. They are currently the #1 contested marking team in the comp, where we are #14 for conceding contested marks. Interestingly we are #14 in the comp for conceding marks inside our defensive 50, but #5 for losing contests behind the ball. So weaving my way through that, we probably need to avoid kicking to one on ones whenever possible, and pressure their ball movement so that it favours our defenders in the air.

We are #14 for conversion from set shots and #14 for the quality of shots we're able to create in general play (i.e. not set shots). Against St Kilda's stingy defence you would imagine we will have to make more of our chances than we have been of late.

If we can make it a kicking game, this will favour us. Our kicking is by and large excellent, theirs generally has been quite ordinary, possibly because they prefer to play fast and/or move the ball by hand. They tend to generate more scores from their back half, so I imagine they will want to bring this style on Sunday.

On the flipside, we have been good at forcing errors when the other team kicks, but St Kilda struggle to force the same errors. This says to me that our defensive structure will be important on Sunday, while St Kilda will rely on their on-ball pressure.

Having said that, St Kilda are #14 for conceding marks, and also #14 for conceding marks on the lead. This has the potential to play into our hands if we are able to win the ball - we are #1 for marks taken and #2 for marks on the lead.

So if we are able to get the ball outside their zone of pressure, we have been #1 in recent weeks at not allowing intercept marks against us. So, play to our strengths, shift their defence around, try to open up space through the corridor, and kick to space instead of an overhead one-on-one if we have the choice.

And on winning the ball, we are #4 for clearances (vs #15), #4 for conceding inside 50s and #6 for scoring from clearances (vs #13). We also tend to score more heavily from our front half. So, as we say often, if our midfield can win the ball often enough, it should allow us to play the game on our terms.

Random note to finish - we are #5 for free kicks, they are #17 for frees against. So if we can get in their heads a bit, it might work in our favour a bit with the men in fluoro.

Translation for Nunez... if we score more points it looks like we will win.

Hey I read the whole thing and came to that conclusion myself you bastard!

 

[Nunez]

Absolutely. Looking at recent weeks there's a couple of areas where they've been strong while we've been weak, and the reverse is true as well. The breakdown is a bit untidy as to what it all means, but I'll do my best

Both teams look to be pretty good at preventing the opposition from getting a hit-out to advantage, but not very good at generating a hit-out to advantage themselves. So the ruck duel shapes as being a nil-all draw.

Aerially they will be a concern I think, even notwithstanding our noted tall defender issues at the moment. They are currently the #1 contested marking team in the comp, where we are #14 for conceding contested marks. Interestingly we are #14 in the comp for conceding marks inside our defensive 50, but #5 for losing contests behind the ball. So weaving my way through that, we probably need to avoid kicking to one on ones whenever possible, and pressure their ball movement so that it favours our defenders in the air.

We are #14 for conversion from set shots and #14 for the quality of shots we're able to create in general play (i.e. not set shots). Against St Kilda's stingy defence you would imagine we will have to make more of our chances than we have been of late.

If we can make it a kicking game, this will favour us. Our kicking is by and large excellent, theirs generally has been quite ordinary, possibly because they prefer to play fast and/or move the ball by hand. They tend to generate more scores from their back half, so I imagine they will want to bring this style on Sunday.

On the flipside, we have been good at forcing errors when the other team kicks, but St Kilda struggle to force the same errors. This says to me that our defensive structure will be important on Sunday, while St Kilda will rely on their on-ball pressure.

Having said that, St Kilda are #14 for conceding marks, and also #14 for conceding marks on the lead. This has the potential to play into our hands if we are able to win the ball - we are #1 for marks taken and #2 for marks on the lead.

So if we are able to get the ball outside their zone of pressure, we have been #1 in recent weeks at not allowing intercept marks against us. So, play to our strengths, shift their defence around, try to open up space through the corridor, and kick to space instead of an overhead one-on-one if we have the choice.

And on winning the ball, we are #4 for clearances (vs #15), #4 for conceding inside 50s and #6 for scoring from clearances (vs #13). We also tend to score more heavily from our front half. So, as we say often, if our midfield can win the ball often enough, it should allow us to play the game on our terms.

Random note to finish - we are #5 for free kicks, they are #17 for frees against. So if we can get in their heads a bit, it might work in our favour a bit with the men in fluoro.

Translation for Nunez... if we score more points it looks like we will win.

In all seriousness though, outside of their win over Sydney, I'm not really convinced with the Saints. Their best is very good, but their worst is why they won't make the 8. Their recent form has been good against weaker teams, but against a Lions outfit playing for a top two spot (not to mention Lester's 200th), I just don't see them beating us. I think a 4 goal win is about right.

 

[Viceregal]

Translation for Nunez... if we score more points it looks like we will win.

You might need to make it a little more simple for him ... I mean there is an element of ambiguity there with the 'it looks like' ... maybe a graph or a meme so there is a visual component to the learning?

Nah you're right he probably will get that...

 

[Nunez]

You might need to make it a little more simple for him ... I mean there is an element of ambiguity there with the 'it looks like' ... maybe a graph or a meme so there is a visual component to the learning?

Nah you're right he probably will get that...

I expected schtick drop Grasshopper & Elixuh, but thought you were one of the good ones Viceregal

 

[Grasshopper17]

I expected schtick drop Grasshopper & Elixuh, but thought you were one of the good ones Viceregal

I've just been lumped in with a Gold Coast fan. Gross.

 

[Nunez]

I've just been lumped in with a Gold Coast fan. Gross.

Could be worse, I could have lumped you in with the over 50s clique.