Review Round 3, 2024 - Brisbane Lions vs. Collingwood

[martinson]

How much system can we show with the bulk of the side so badly out of form?

How often did we look good until Hippy dropped a mark or Bailey fumbles or Dev missed a handball?

On top of inconsistent intensity at the contest, poor tackling and goal kicking

Almost everything that can’t be controlled by strategy has been subpar

I thought that's what I said.

We're stale.

 

[Nunez]

Not sure if serious, or not.

Has a bad case of the fumbles. Thought he and Bailey were atrocious going for contested groundballs. In space Rayner was good. Bailey was not.

It wasn't the perfect game but equally 2 goals, 21 touches (8 contested) at 71% DE and 9 score involvements is a very strong game for a half forward.

Was easily in our top 5 on the field.

 

[Nunez]

I think you need to start dropping guys who continue to play poorly. All of Hipwood, Daniher, Cameron, Berry, Bailey, Fletcher, Payne, Lohman, Dev, and Oscar have been pretty poor this year. Dunkley hasnt been at his best either. Just recycling the guys between 20 and 26 on the list isn't really going to get a response.

I think Fagan needs to sacrifice a regular best 22 player or two next week. Maybe it's Hipwood and Bailey? Maybe Oscar and Berry?

You have to do something.

Got to get the balance right though. Can't just drop a large chunk of the team because the team as a whole isn't performing.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

Nothing I've seen has convinced me that Bailey is a midfielder.

Wont tackle, cant break a tackle, was caught out gazing at the ball at his feet at a critical time of the match and seems to second guess himself when breaking from the contest.

A potentially great small forward though.

 

[scoman]

Got to get the balance right though. Can't just drop a large chunk of the team because the team as a whole isn't performing.

I agree. One or two is enough.

Edit: And it can't just be fringe players.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I thought that's what I said.

We're stale.

You said we had no system. I said it’s hard to execute anything when in any 1 piece of the play we’re likely to get the ball into the hands of someone way out of form

 

[Scubaveg]

On a positive note, Rayner was awesome today. Really Impacted the game. Imagine if he got more time in the middle

Except we were clearly on top going into half time and the first 2 mins in the second half. He won a clearance handballed and stopped dead. Handball didn't hit it's target, bounced loose and the player Rayner should have been on picked it up ran forward and hit a player lace out. Momentum changed all because Rayner stopped dead and didn't run or pressure.


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[Pacman82]

Bailey usually tears the Pies a new one, they were all over him tonight.

 

[martinson]

I really have no idea. Even Bailey got more CBA than Cam.

I'm just wondering myself. He's bigger bodied than De Goey , just about on a par with Danger.

I can only think they don't believe he'll last a game out if they do it.

It's not as if he was getting a sniff in the third quarter when we really needed someone in there to build on our momentum in the second.

 

[Nunez]

I agree. One or two is enough.

Edit: And it can't just be fringe players.

I get where you're coming from, but a tall has to go for structure (IMO) and there's no way in hell I'm dropping Hipwood in favour of Fort.

We also need more pressure and tackling - Robertson is in the t am to provide this. He laid two tackles and nearly 50% of his disposals were turnovers. Only 9 pressure acts to boot.

For me, they were weak links above anyone else on the field.

 

[alscotoz2]

Our transition/connection from midfield to forwardline is and has always been pretty terrible. So many blown chances covered up by the odd piece of brilliance.

Now that Daniher and Hipwoods hands have turned into concrete and Charlies seemingly lost his razor sharp nouse around goal - we are getting found out on it.

Then you’ve got and it must be said, mediocre, maybe just better than average types, in Mihocek and Elliott. Who find themselves in good spots consistently. The difference.

Untrue. Both very good players

 

[twhowler]

Mate based on tonight North could very well win. They will get on top of us early and it all depends on if we can run all over their tired legs.

Already have my emtional hed

How much system can we show with the bulk of the side so badly out of form?

How often did we look good until Hippy dropped a mark or Bailey fumbles or Dev missed a handball?

On top of inconsistent intensity at the contest, poor tackling and goal kicking

Almost everything that can’t be controlled by strategy has been subpar

To me the manner in which we enter f50 has to be strategy - it just keeps happening

Yes could have been a slightly better return with hippy and joe better

But there were a lot of nearly marks from them that would have been good marks - and we were so rarely there to mop it up

 

[Lazza16]

you think he be dropped

I always like Fort/Oscar combo
Although we loose Joe playing up the ground which I often say he plays better then forward 50
I think at the moment Forts follow up is more then Oscar offers.

So we drop Fort for sure.
Oscar, Hipwood, Bailey, Berry or Rayner dropped.. he he he never
Payne did not much so swap for Dizzy again.
Be Answerth, Dev, Fort or Lohmann dropped again with him

Can't believe how Oscar gets scragged every time and never gets a free....so bleeding obvious.

 

[spotthedog1]

Do you think the rain had a big impact?

Not really, it was drier than forecasted... But by 3/4 time, I dare say most people were still, like me, suggesting Hipwood/Fort off, Lohmann on.

 

[Nunez]

I'm just wondering myself. He's bigger bodied than De Goey , just about on a par with Danger.

I can only think they don't believe he'll last a game out if they do it.

It's not as if he was getting a sniff in the third quarter when we really needed someone in there to build on our momentum in the second.

Rayner attended 2 of 7 centre bounces in the third and barely got any time on the ball.

He doesn't have to play as a full time mid, but IMO we absolutely need to utilise him at centre bounces more. He has the assets we are sorely lacking there.

 

[davemc_lions]

Can't believe how Oscar gets scragged every time and never gets a free....so bleeding obvious.

Needs to wear glasses like Cox then you get frees

 

[CarterS]

So many fumbles, missed hand passes and targets, not covering and they score quickly on the turn over.

 

[Nunez]

Except we were clearly on top going into half time and the first 2 mins in the second half. He won a clearance handballed and stopped dead. Handball didn't hit it's target, bounced loose and the player Rayner should have been on picked it up ran forward and hit a player lace out. Momentum changed all because Rayner stopped dead and didn't run or pressure.


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One mistake among many very good plays is okay though. Only turned it over two more times than Neale - who was by far the cleanest player on the field for us.

 

[martinson]

You said we had no system. I said it’s hard to execute anything when in any 1 piece of the play we’re likely to get the ball into the hands of someone way out of form

That's true. But you'd hardly call our system flash . If you could discern what it is.

Obviously it looks poor on the occasions you can't execute and/or finish.

 

[martinson]

Already have my emtional hed

To me the manner in which we enter f50 has to be strategy - it just keeps happening

Yes could have been a slightly better return with hippy and joe better

But there were a lot of nearly marks from them that would have been good marks - and we were so rarely there to mop it up

Exactly. No one at the front of the pack. It happened countless times. They mopped up.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

Bailey is being played out of position

How is this not obvious to the coach?

The coach is giving him the benefit of the doubt of having some smarts
But he doesn’t

 

[brisbanelions]

When it comes to making moves , Fagan is like a deer in headlights.

Some of the players in that team deserved to be dropped, Oscar, Berry ,Payne. Payne is being showed up by Lester, who quite frankly displaying more desire and want ,than Payne. Payne this year looks soft , like a timid pussy cat. Brisbane needs a mongrel defender to help out.

The players ,bar a few, should hang their heads in shame. If they truly loved the club,Fagan, its supporters and the absolute best and greatest jumper in the AFL, they should have showed a lot more character than that. Extremely disappointing.

Time to reflect, and I would retire zorko at the end of this year along with JL and use their combined salary to look at free agents or players out of contract , like the Sydney player Errol GULDEN who is an absolute star and in my opinion a superstar. We need more class.

I would love Errol in our side.

 

[Mooch]

Can anyone explain why every time they took posession, they had 2-3 free players every single time. When we took posession, we had absolutely nothing and we just bombed it somewhere/anywhere.

I'd also like to report a crime. Apparently the downfield free-kick is missing, presumed dead.

 

[CarterS]

Suddenly half our team looks very average.

 

[scoman]

I get where you're coming from, but a tall has to go for structure (IMO) and there's no way in hell I'm dropping Hipwood in favour of Fort.

We also need more pressure and tackling - Robertson is in the t am to provide this. He laid two tackles and nearly 50% of his disposals were turnovers. Only 9 pressure acts to boot.

For me, they were weak links above anyone else on the field.

Robertson hasn't had a great start. His tackling isnt what it has been. The injury over the pre season wouldnt have helped and from what i hear he has slimmed down this year. Was hoping he would keep adding size and be the guy to give Dunkley some help on the defensive side.

I can't see why we can't drop Hipwood or Oscar. This is what I'm talking about. The reluctance to drop guys that are best 22 and have been for years.