Toast Round 4 = Collingwood 77-72 Hawthorn

[Anzacday]

Can somebody do the analysis of the Cameron non free in the last qtr.
Our right half forward flank.
And the dropping ball against Nash, (?) just before Ginni got his free kick in the last qtr.
PS: The worst non free was Ash running into goal in the last qtr over there last year.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Can somebody do the analysis of the Cameron non free in the last qtr.
Our right half forward flank.
And the dropping ball against Nash, (?) just before Ginni got his free kick in the last qtr.
PS: The worst non free was Ash running into goal in the last qtr over there last year.

Yeah the Nash one was very blatant, I certainly remember that.

 

[Vicky Park]

The Ruck Rover was a bigger player than the Rover or Centremen, really a hybrid between a ruck and a rover. A tough workhorse, sorry to say Manic, but not overly skilled often. Serge Silvagni would have been the quintessential RR.

For centre and rover there was little difference in size it was more a difference is style and skillset. There wasn't any overwhelming desire for a rover to be very short. When I grew up with 1st footy memories from the mid 60's the dominant rovers of the era would be Matthews 178cm, 86kg, Bartlett 177 cm, Garry Wilson 179 cm, Wayne Richardson 179cm. They were all considered big rovers. Thet were stars.

Centremen were more likely to be beautiful kicks and very creative. They stayed "on ball" all day but only went between HB and HF. many a rover would tell a centre to get out of the forward line if they strayed to far. Ian Stewart a great example.

Rovers were almost all out attackers, they could go all over the ground but often neglected anywhere beyond half back. They were goal kickers and would often kick big bags. Got lots of possessions, tried to take the game on and would only handball as a very last option.

The 2nd rover spent most time in the forward pocket looking for goals and occasionally going "on ball " to give the 1st rover a rest. Hungry for goals

The 2nd RR started HFF or sometimes HBF and was even more dour than the 1st RR.

There were of short rovers, often taking the role of the 2nd rover. I think of "Wee Georgie" Bissett 168cm, Paul Callery 165cm, Brad Gotch 166cm and Libba 163cm. Often the short rovers thrived on being tough although Bissett was also very skilled.

He lost the Brownlow by 1 vote in 1969 after being reported in a match during the year where he was subsequently found not guilty. Meant he got no votes that day after getting 30 possessions (which is close to 40 in the modern game) and kicking 6 goals. He had his last 2 seasons at Collingwood but did win the goal kicking at the Dogs 5x times. That illustrates what goal kickers rovers were, likewise Lethals 900+

These positional roles were clearcut through the 80's into the 90's but changed to more general on ballers mid 9os to early 200s. I think if you look at some of the all time great rovers you see size was mainly a virtue. Listing Brownlow medallists post the mid 90s you can also place those who would have been rovers v centremen fairly clearly.

Triple Brownlows

Bunton 179 cm rover
Reynolds 179 cm rover
Skilton 171 cm rover
Stewart 180cm


Other star rovers
Crimmo 173 cm ( he and Lethal , unusually, shared 1st rover duties)
Platten 170 cm
Francis 171cm

More recent mids with Brownlows

GAJ 182 cm Rover
Swan 185 cm Rover
Pendles 191 cm Centreman
Cousins 179cm Rover
Woey 185 cm centreman
Harvey 181 cm Centreman
Williams 176 cm centreman

Thanks GC, BigFooty at its best.

But one typo? Pendles listed under ‘Brownlows’ - although completely understandable.

 

[sr36]

As SR posted though. Maynard wasn't draped over Ginnivan's shoulder until Ginnivan lowered himself under Maynards outstretched arm and causing the contact to drift high. Just a different method than lifting the arm to draw a high free.

Yep. Squirms under the arm and temporarily leans into it. But then the next move was something else. Hooks Maynard's other arm and fully rolls his whole body weight in the opposite direction to what Bruzzy was supposedly pushing - bringing them both down in a way that was so unique that it looks like Bruzzy has taken him out, when the opposite was the case.

If he ever focusses his incredible awareness of body position and creativity to beating his opponent and winning the ball, he'll become Stevie J.

 

[sr36]

There were of short rovers, often taking the role of the 2nd rover. I think of "Wee Georgie" Bissett 168cm, Paul Callery 165cm, Brad Gotch 166cm and Libba 163cm. Often the short rovers thrived on being tough although Bissett was also very skilled.

He lost the Brownlow by 1 vote in 1969 after being reported in a match during the year where he was subsequently found not guilty. Meant he got no votes that day after getting 30 possessions (which is close to 40 in the modern game) and kicking 6 goals. He had his last 2 seasons at Collingwood but did win the goal kicking at the Dogs 5x times. That illustrates what goal kickers rovers were, likewise Lethals 900+

These positional roles were clearcut through the 80's into the 90's but changed to more general on ballers mid 9os to early 200s. I think if you look at some of the all time great rovers you see size was mainly a virtue. Listing Brownlow medallists post the mid 90s you can also place those who would have been rovers v centremen fairly clearly.

Triple Brownlows

Bunton 179 cm rover
Reynolds 179 cm rover
Skilton 171 cm rover
Stewart 180cm


Other star rovers
Crimmo 173 cm ( he and Lethal , unusually, shared 1st rover duties)
Platten 170 cm
Francis 171cm

More recent mids with Brownlows

GAJ 182 cm Rover
Swan 185 cm Rover
Pendles 191 cm Centreman
Cousins 179cm Rover
Woey 185 cm centreman
Harvey 181 cm Centreman
Williams 176 cm centreman

Amazing players, but one of the reasons those rovers were such prolific goal kickers is that they were free in the forward line a lot of the time. Everyone else was matched up with no peeling off your man to cover a different threat, so if the other rover did what they usually did and didn't push back deep into the defence the rover was a free man - a plus one in the forward line. Some of the best players in the game roaming free in the forward line. Such a different mentatlity to the modern game.

 

[sideswipe]

Amazing players, but one of the reasons those rovers were such prolific goal kickers is that they were free in the forward line a lot of the time. Everyone else was matched up with no peeling off your man to cover a different threat, so if the other rover did what they usually did and didn't push back deep into the defence the rover was a free man - a plus one in the forward line. Some of the best players in the game roaming free in the forward line. Such a different mentatlity to the modern game.

I'd say just as much of a reason was that rovers invariably rested in the forward pocket whilst the "2nd rover" went on the ball.

 

[sr36]

I'd say just as much of a reason was that rovers invariably rested in the forward pocket whilst the "2nd rover" went on the ball.

Definitely, but imagine not covering off Dusty when he drifted forward after a stoppage.

 

[sideswipe]

Definitely, but imagine not covering off Dusty when he drifted forward after a stoppage.

They wouldn't have called it a stoppage for a start. Hark back to the days when rovers et al would get blasted for "clogging up the forward line".

 

[sr36]

They wouldn't have called it a stoppage for a start. Hark back to the days when rovers et al would get blasted for "clogging up the forward line".

Not sure that applied to the likes of Matthews and the other gun rovers. I doubt they were kicking 60 a year solely from the quarter that they were resting in the pocket.

 

[Gone Critical]

They wouldn't have called it a stoppage for a start. Hark back to the days when rovers et al would get blasted for "clogging up the forward line".

It was the centreman or even the ruck rover who would cop that. The rover has free reign up forward, no one told them to get out.

 

[sideswipe]

It was the centreman or even the ruck rover who would cop that. The rover has free reign up forward, no one told them to get out.

I would have bagged the rover for misspelling rein. From the bench.


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[Gone Critical]

Amazing players, but one of the reasons those rovers were such prolific goal kickers is that they were free in the forward line a lot of the time. Everyone else was matched up with no peeling off your man to cover a different threat, so if the other rover did what they usually did and didn't push back deep into the defence the rover was a free man - a plus one in the forward line. Some of the best players in the game roaming free in the forward line. Such a different mentatlity to the modern game.

For sure, the man marking the 1st rover was the oppo 1st rover and that was the laxest coverthere was. Other thing to consider was it was largely a game of territory and positions. It was only in the U11's where there was a mass of players around the ball with no heed to position. Also defending was totally one sided.

Players knew that if the ball went into the forward line on one side it was coming out on the same side. Kicking had a lot more hang time and you could largely count on an entry into the forward line being a kick to a pack with a contested mark to be won. Handballing on the backine was largely a no no and as Gubby found out even in 1984 it was still a sin to kick across goal in the backline

 

[Gone Critical]

I would have bagged the rover for misspelling rein. From the bench.


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Pride in being a tossbag should perhaps be reined in

 

[jmac70]

Pride in being a tossbag should perhaps be reined in

Why? It gives such a purpose to life.

 

[sr36]

I would have bagged the rover for misspelling rein. From the bench.


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I would have gone with GC's spelling thinking it was about control - but is it a horsey phrase?

 

[jmac70]

I would have gone with GC's spelling thinking it was about control - but is it a horsey phrase?

James Reyne has a lot to answer for.

 

[sideswipe]

I would have gone with GC's spelling thinking it was about control - but is it a horsey phrase?

Horses are controlled by their reins.


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[Kirby]

Horses are controlled by their reins.


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And seemingly by whenever I place a bet on one

 

[sideswipe]

And seemingly by whenever I place a bet on one

You are a powerful loser. Of course that is going to happen.