Preview Round 9, 2024: Hawthorn v St.Kilda - UTAS Stadium, Launceston - Saturday 11th May, 1.45pm AEST

[Premium]

He would probably not be getting criticized so much if he had 12 touches again. Last week he had 5 disposals (including 2 clangers, 1 goal assist and 1 behind), 0 tackles and was the lowest rated player on the ground.

Can't see to many changes to a winning team - most probably just one to bring in Henry , suppose Dow is a chance as well.

 

[Premium]

If a dozen touches is what's classified as enough then he hasn't reached a dozen in a month, has kicked 1 goal in a month, kicked 1 behind in a month. The 1 behind indicates he's not getting near it, 5 tackles in a month.

I get the argument that you learn more at the top level but I don't think it applies here, is he learning more standing in the packs at AFL or learning more getting more volume of possessions, shots, clearance work etc at VFL and then applying that to afl

Needs to find the ball in the 2s then bring him back

 

[GTrains Love Child]

Team that day

Geary Brown Gilbert
Webster Carlisle Savage
Newnes Steele Acres
Weller Membrey Billings
Gresham McCartin Long
Hickey Ross Steven
White Coffield Dunstan Sinclair

God I really just feel Carlisle was just with us at the wrong time - imagine him in his prime replacing Dawson in 09/10 era or Dougs/Cords now…

A pointless hypothetical but I loved his game and the dog he had inside of him

 

[EddieMurphy]

Dougal is a bit glum now you overlooked his triumphant return

We'll do alright with the Quintuple W in our team

Wilkie
Windy
Wood
Wilson and
Webster

Remember when we were a team of 25% Jacks

 

[EddieMurphy]

Sensitive?

stop trying to recruit a virtual gang and pull ya head in, you sound small and ridiculous.

Most of us don't agree with most of what you say, I'd put it at 90% plus. That ok though, it's just shooting the breeze convos.

 

[gringo2011]

For me Dow is a must in this week. Not as a sub either we need him in the middle from the start. My changes:

IN: Dow, Henry & Collard
OUT: Pou, Byrnes, Hastie or Skunk
(SUB: Garcia)

Also maybe Arie in for Bonner, would be great for Arie on his home deck.

Another question.. what becomes of Cordy? He was managed last week. Been ok this year.

He looks nowhere near it at the moment. He probably needs a few weeks in the VFL to adjust to the pace again. Jones is closer but looks like there is a line through his name.

 

[tomjoad]

Just imagine you're Sam Mitchell this weekend and you look at the teams and see we've dropped King.

I reckon you'd be pretty happy.

I suppose no one wants to see surly witches hats...they don't make for much of a spectacle, and just take up space without doing anything.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

King missed an entire year, so this is his 6th year in the system.

By the same age (2012) Hawkins had transformed into the best forward in the comp kicking 60+ goals and dominating. In 2011 he was just about best on in a GF.

Max is not even remotely close to the player Hawkins was at the same age.

Some people are just desperate to denigrate our own.

Probably a coping mechanism


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[gringo2011]

Talking of mids

Some people are just desperate to denigrate our own.

Probably a coping mechanism


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I think we've just had so many disappointments in our high picks, we all get wobbly when another one looks like they might not be what we'd all hoped. Owens and Phillipou not going as well is making people a bit nervous too.

 

[beside the seaside]

Got a good feeling about this week. Troops returning, VFL side banking wins and putting selection pressure on. Henry back enormous, Jimmy and Wood a week under their belts, Sincs back in form.

I hope the Hawks do play Sicily and we test him out.

 

[tomjoad]

The good sign for him was he stood up in the last quarter. Had two holding the ball tackles and got about 7 touches when the game was there to be won. That's a good sign and I reckon you're right, very tempting to slot him in.

I'd like to see him in...just to adjust to the speed. Manage his minutes. Give him 2/3 or 3/4 of game time, and then activate the sub.
Hawks are quick and unpredictable, and can't be taken lightly, but it would be better to have Dow play against their youth and inexperience, rather than put him in against Freo - and what they've got in the middle - off the back of Sandringham games.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Talking of mids



I think we've just had so many disappointments in our high picks, we all get wobbly when another one looks like they might not be what we'd all hoped. Owens and Phillipou not going as well is making people a bit nervous too.

Owens is still averaging 8.5 contested possessions per game which is ranked elite in the competition as well as 1.1 contested marks per game.

His output appears lower than last year and yes it is but he's still going ok. The problem is our expectations have gone up but so has the attention from opposition defenders and coaches.

 

[saintbill]

Some people are just desperate to denigrate our own.

Probably a coping mechanism


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Call it cope if you will, I would rather not delude myself.

Nobody is saying King is a poor player, it's just glaringly obvious there are some serious limitations with his game. The lack of forward craft is hard to miss.

Seems pretty unlikely we have a Hawkins or Curnow type on our hands.

Would be ecstatic to be wrong.

 

[tomjoad]

He just needs a few games in a row to get his touch back.

He'll kick a bag in the next few weeks and those doubting his ability will feel a bit silly.

I don't think anyone doubts his ability, he has all the ability in the world
It's a question of effort...and that is very poor at the moment. Especially when he plays as our deepest forward.
He plays so much better up the field, he gets his hands on the ball, gets separation, takes marks, sort of chases and tackles...or at least makes an appearance of it, and has far more of an impact for the team.
Having Hayes back in, should free up Max to be a very effective CHF.

 

[Speck]

I know we aren't short on half backs, and his lack of pace may be an issue - but could Phillipou spend some time at half back similar to how Windy did? Let the ball come to him more and use his good skills rather than the pressure of taking contested marks and kicking goals.

 

[tomjoad]

Dude 'recruit', what crap. You want to post trash, you're gonna get called out on it. You have an agenda against certain players 'Sharman' and you criticism of King is beyond unreasonable.

Cairnsman's criticism of Sharman is often hilarious.
Right now I am in agreement with him on King.
It's an opinion based forum...we don't all have to agree with each other.

 

[sammm]

Remember when we were a team of 25% Jacks

Now we are a team of Ws

 

[SG34]

If a dozen touches is what's classified as enough then he hasn't reached a dozen in a month, has kicked 1 goal in a month, kicked 1 behind in a month. The 1 behind indicates he's not getting near it, 5 tackles in a month.

I get the argument that you learn more at the top level but I don't think it applies here, is he learning more standing in the packs at AFL or learning more getting more volume of possessions, shots, clearance work etc at VFL and then applying that to afl

Gee
I didn’t realise it was that low - 5 disposals
I was thinking he was around the 10-12 mark, including taps and bumps etc.
Either way, very minimal, but having a go.

5 isn’t good.

So perhaps I’m wrong, perhaps there has been a slip.

Still, I think there is a certain inertia they wanted to happen and carry on here- and I guess they don’t wanna break it.

But there comes a time.

 

[SG34]

God I really just feel Carlisle was just with us at the wrong time - imagine him in his prime replacing Dawson in 09/10 era or Dougs/Cords now…

A pointless hypothetical but I loved his game and the dog he had inside of him

After his back went, he was rather limited I thought. Played on like that a season or two..then family matters (rightly) called at an awkward time. But after his diabolical start, was a find.

 

[gringo2011]

Owens is still averaging 8.5 contested possesions per game which is ranked Elite in the competition as well as 1.1 contested marks per game.

His output appears lower than last year and yes it is but he's still going ok. The problem is our expectations have gone up but so has the attention from oposition defenders and coaches.

He just isn’t as damaging this season. His contested work is okay but he looked on track to be a star in the first half of last year.

 

[akaifu]

Hawks are missing Lewis and Chol this week but do get Breust back who tore Webster apart last time out (from memory? 5 goals?)

If we don't beat them then we'll have to face some harsh truths especially since we're almost at full strength now

 

[gringo2011]

I don't think anyone doubts his ability, he has all the ability in the world
It's a question of effort...and that is very poor at the moment. Especially when he plays as our deepest forward.
He plays so much better up the field, he gets his hands on the ball, gets separation, takes marks, sort of chases and tackles...or at least makes an appearance of it, and has far more of an impact for the team.
Having Hayes back in, should free up Max to be a very effective CHF.

He’s tracking really similarly to Joe Daniher. Great white hope, injury, disappointment, pressure and then a move to become a solid footballer.

 

[Ads734]

Cairnsman's criticism of Sharman is often hilarious.
Right now I am in agreement with him on King.
It's an opinion based forum...we don't all have to agree with each other.

It’s not that players are above criticism it’s the attacks on personality like ‘not wanting it enough’ ‘lacking resilience’ not having been through ‘adversity’that I don’t think is fair. By all means criticise his play. It delves into things that we don’t know about or personality/reailiance.

I just think the criticism goes to a level that is unfair in ways that we actually can’t judge. Reminds me of some of the criticism that Raph Clark used to cop.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

It's an opinion based forum...we don't all have to agree with each other.

I disagree

 

[tomjoad]

It’s not that players are above criticism it’s the attacks on personality like ‘not wanting it enough’ ‘lacking resilience’ not having been through ‘adversity’that I don’t think is fair. By all means criticise his play. It delves into things that we don’t know about or personality/reailiance.

That's fair enough. Personally I don't see the two as separate. I think attitude and how one plays the game are absolutely linked.
If you see them as separate issues, then that's fine...it's a difference of opinion. We're probably not going to find common ground, which is also fine.
There's probably countless other things we would.
We just disagree in this instance.