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Ichabod Noodle said:
Make your mind up about which bit of bulls#it you want to stick to.

Consistency in a conspiracy theory makes it all the more plausible to the gullible. Remember that.
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You've been chatting to him for 6 moths. No point trying to merge two completely separate posters with no affiliation to try and discredit a statement. Classic stuff.
 
pup218 said:
Painting crap doesn't change the fact it's crap. Posts on bf are not always fact, that applies to all sides.

In all honesty, I think it's in everyone's best interest if GWS and Bulldogs supporters here on BF avoided the other teams boards for the next few days otherwise things are likely going to get out of hand.
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Just want to remind you, these boards aren't owned by each teams supporters, they're set up to discuss the actual team by all posters. If all i'm doig is discussing that, then I'll post here.

Anyway, we haven't been disrespectful. You're more than welcome to offer up a different opinion to me or quote me what you've heard. All I'm telling you is what I have heard and believe to be fact. Take it as you will.
 

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The guy said he would rather retire than continue with the team, you have no bargaining power. GWS will trade 1 first round pick and that's it, they might throw in some stuff they really don't need also.

He also is willing to get paid less, I am sure no one is evil at the Bulldogs but it seems Griffen feels like he has been ****** over somehow.

He is willing to get paid less and retire to leave the Bulldogs, clearly the general public will ask questions as to how this could happen. Then you will have the coach and captain just walking away from the club to nothingness. I don't think this has ever happened before (maybe in any professional sporting club?). Next year you have your shiny new coach and a new captain rallying everyone for the next stage and it will be great, but eventually someone will say why didn't we just grab 4 or 7 from the Giants.

Any trade involving a top 10 pick and a star youngster should not happen and I would be very disappointed if the club did that.
 
Dale4captain said:
I know for a fact pick 4 wasn't on the table at first. They came in with a massive low ball which infuriated PG.
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Doesn't seem to be hard to infuriate him. Seems to be an angry man. :D

Dale4captain said:
Just want to remind you, these boards aren't owned by each teams supporters, they're set up to discuss the actual team by all posters. If all i'm doig is discussing that, then I'll post here.
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Actually no. The team boards are for the team's supporters - that's why mods are chosen from that team's supporters instead of from all posters. The main board is set up to discuss teams by all posters. There's a basic level of respect for a club that's expected on that team's board.
 
IanW said:
With the coach being sacked, the Dogs bargaining position has just got markedly worse.

Now, it wouldnt surprise me if the price goes down to 4+steak knives.
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Doesn't effect us

You want him you offer enough to get him or we keep him mate

It's gonna cost you 2 high picks or a pick and a very good player


Personally don't even understand why you would want to do a deal like that but there is no way we will roll over on this.

The fans would rather keep him than get zero for him and Griff had already spit in our faces by talking to you early, he won't screw us over
 
dlanod said:
Doesn't seem to be hard to infuriate him. Seems to be an angry man. :D
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I think angry man is the problem here. I think we should make a reasonable bid. 7 and a want-away player Frost/Giles etc.
Then tell everyone all the details and decide the only truly fair way: TRIAL BY MEDIA!
 
Dogsman16 said:
GWS offered Pick 1 for griff last trade period, so obviously was in the works before then.
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Pick 1 equated to Boyd. If the Doggies are smart they will be prepared to do a straight swap: Griffin for Boyd and maybe some steak knives. This is a golden opportunity. Even if the Dogs feel like they're paying overs - THEY GET THAT BIG FORWARD THEY'VE BEEN CHASING FOR AN ETERNITY. The big picture in about three years as I see it has that fantastic group of young mids sending the ball in to Boyd and Campbell. Bullies a dominant force again!
The idea of a trade to grab pick 4 so they can draft McCartin or Wright is superfluous if they simply make a deal happen to get Boyd. No worrying what may happen at the draft. Who knows what may slip through to pick 6 anyway? And then they could concentrate on shoring up the backline as well with later picks.
Surely this sort of a deal would satisfy most GWS fans too?
 
Ichabod Noodle said:
Don't be stupid. Or at least go somewhere else and be stupid away from me.
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Hang on. Your club was prepared to offer up pick 1 (Boyd) last year to get Griffin. Yet you don't want to trade what is effectively pick 4 this year to get him?
OK then. :confused:
 
Bulldocker said:
Hang on. Your club was prepared to offer up pick 1 (Boyd) last year to get Griffin. Yet you don't want to trade what is effectively pick 4 this year to get him?
OK then. :confused:
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What do you mean by 'effectively' pick 4? Pick 4 is on the table or it's not. But that's not what you said. You said...
Bulldocker said:
Pick 1 equated to Boyd. If the Doggies are smart they will be prepared to do a straight swap: Griffin for Boyd and maybe some steak knives. .....
Surely this sort of a deal would satisfy most GWS fans too?
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Pick 1 was on the table last year. The Dogs missed their chance. Should have taken it. Boyd is NOT on the table this year.

And.... Boyd AND Steak knives?!?!?

As I said - go be stupid somewhere else.
 
Bulldocker said:
Hang on. Your club was prepared to offer up pick 1 (Boyd) last year to get Griffin. Yet you don't want to trade what is effectively pick 4 this year to get him?
OK then. :confused:
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Publicly announcing you want to move clubs, and getting your coach sacked, doesnt do great things for a players trade value.

Me, I'd give pick 4 and steak knives, but I can see why others would offer less.
 

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Andre the Giant said:
Why does it have to be 4?? I think if we secure 7 then that and a 2nd rounder or player is sufficient. He's 29 next year and has a question on his back!

He is a jet when right but we don't need to be nuts here, if they want 4 then we should get their pick 6.

The first 4 players in this draft are clearly rated superior to the rest in this draft.
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Which is why we don't want pick 7! Pick 4 & 19 will probably get it done but the Dogs will hold out for as long as possible to get the best deal they can.

On a personal note, I don't want him to stay now. For the captain of the team to seek a trade when he is still contracted is extremely poor & he will have a destabilising effect on the team if he stays. With McCartney gone, on face value he now has no reason to want to leave, but clearly there are other reasons behind his decision & it is obvious he has been having secret talks to GWS during the course of the season while he is still captain. Poor form imo & I don't want him at the club next year.
 
Ichabod Noodle said:
What do you mean by 'effectively' pick 4? Pick 4 is on the table or it's not. But that's not what you said. You said...


Pick 1 was on the table last year. The Dogs missed their chance. Should have taken it. Boyd is NOT on the table this year.

And.... Boyd AND Steak knives?!?!?

As I said - go be stupid somewhere else.
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Look, it's not my club. But I'd be happy to have either Griffen or Boyd over here any time. Both very valuable commodoties. Even your other GWS BF members here are suggesting that steak knives may be required to get it over the line and the deal seems to meet both team's requirements at this stage of development. GWS need a guiding midfield hand and the Dogs are after a KPF.... you guys are well stocked with them! I'm not trying to be inflammatory here but if you were able to get hold of Griffen and maintain the #4 pick by simply passing over Boyd (whom your club was effectively offering up last year), then logic says that the 3 position change in the deal is a reasonable compensation in GWS favour for Griffen now being a year older. I doubt the Bullies would care so much about the steak knives anyway - and I'll wear your criticism for that.
It is your feeling that Boyd is not on the table. Perhaps I have missed something but list managers never say never for the right mix though.
 
Bulldocker said:
then logic says that the 3 position change in the deal is a reasonable compensation in GWS favour for Griffen now being a year older.
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But we lose Boyd.

They missed their opportunity to get him last year. HE IS OURS NOW.

Get it into your head - Boyd for Griffen was LAST YEAR and it wasn't Boyd for Griffen, it was Pick 1 for Griffen. The Dogs could have gone the Richmond way and drafted Richard Tambling. But they didn't.

12 months on and the situation has changed quite significantly. Both at our club and the dogs.

WE ARE NOT GIVING UP TOM BOYD.
 
Ichabod Noodle said:
But we lose Boyd.

They missed their opportunity to get him last year. HE IS OURS NOW.

Get it into your head - Boyd for Griffen was LAST YEAR and it wasn't Boyd for Griffen, it was Pick 1 for Griffen. The Dogs could have gone the Richmond way and drafted Richard Tambling. But they didn't.

12 months on and the situation has changed quite significantly. Both at our club and the dogs.

WE ARE NOT GIVING UP TOM BOYD.
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You reckon Dogs would not have drafted Tom Boyd with pick 1?
Yeh right. :D
 
Bulldocker said:
! I'm not trying to be inflammatory here but if you were able to get hold of Griffen and maintain the #4 pick by simply passing over Boyd (whom your club was effectively offering up last year), then logic says that the 3 position change in the deal is a reasonable compensation in GWS favour for Griffen now being a year older.
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Here's why that deal is not on the table anymore. A year has passed.

Griffen is older and closer to the end of his contract and retirement, has burned his bridges, got the coach fired, lost the captaincy and made Peter Gordon apoplectic. = lot less valuable to Dogs.
Boyd is a year older, blooded, survived that rookie never know what you got period, seems happy in the environment, eventual captaincy material to boot and his only positional competition Patton is seriously injured = lot more valuable to us.

Meanwhile, the rest of our team midfield especially have blossomed. Treolar is a star. Ward is too. Shiel and Scully are solid. Greene is great on the ball. Whitfield and WHE's will explode this year. Kelly is just another year away.

Griffen is an upgrade but a bit of a luxury. He will raise the clubs profile (most importantly), provide more leadership, setback a (now bitter) rival, bring home a couple of close games and probably push us into finals contention. Which is why we may pay overs for him which is 4.
 
Mullayo said:
Here's why that deal is not on the table anymore. A year has passed.

Griffen is older and closer to the end of his contract and retirement, has burned his bridges, got the coach fired, lost the captaincy and made Peter Gordon apoplectic. = lot less valuable to Dogs.
Boyd is a year older, blooded, survived that rookie never know what you got period, seems happy in the environment, eventual captaincy material to boot and his only positional competition Patton is seriously injured = lot more valuable to us.
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Great summary.

There's also a lot more cultural repercussions to pushing a player out that wants to stay here than there is in trading an unnamed draft pick.
 
pup218 said:
Painting crap doesn't change the fact it's crap. Posts on bf are not always fact, that applies to all sides.

In all honesty, I think it's in everyone's best interest if GWS and Bulldogs supporters here on BF avoided the other teams boards for the next few days otherwise things are likely going to get out of hand.
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Agreed. ciao for now :)
 

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