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Moved Thread Ryan Schoenmakers - is now a premiership winning forward and has a 2 year contract extension
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I miss Cheeney's grunt down back. If only u could bottle it and give it to Shoey.
Bugger off pal.
Man I bet you'd buy a bunch of magic beans off a street dealer too.
spot on that play epitomises him
Cheney had a similar game on Schultz last week. He wasn't the answer. Clarkson needs to start giving other blokes a go.
neither of these 2 should EVER wear a hawthorn jumper again
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Wouldn't mind putting a few more meters of sand* in said sand box! 
*cement
*cement
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Mate I'm not saying he can or should play for us again, especially in the backline, I'm saying we took a promising 17 yo forward, why we drafted a forward at the time is a whole other question, and turned him into the mess we have now. If the club were serious about him this year we wouldn't have used him the way we have.
No matter how terrible he has been there was no need to suggest feeding him Ebola though
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No he wasn't the only one....But he was by far & away the Crappiest of them all!....A 6 year vet had his arse handed on a plate to him by a 21 year old kid!...Actually no, strike that....A 6 year vet, handed his own arse on a plate to a 21 year old kid....I kid you not!
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Oh jesus.
Here we go again.
Here we go again.
Well obviously I was being rather serious about physically feeding him a bowl of Ebola.
In the dying minutes, on the boundary line.. Why the f did Shoey double fist the ball out of bounds (instead of marking it) when he had no body contact??
How often does a key forward kick a bag against us? 7 goals by Cameron.. Last biggest bag was 6 from Cloke... Who was their direct opponent? Coincidence??
Last week Brown kicked 3 goals in a 10 goal drubbing... Equivelant to a bag and let's not overlook that his a fringe player..
How often does a key forward kick a bag against us? 7 goals by Cameron.. Last biggest bag was 6 from Cloke... Who was their direct opponent? Coincidence??
Last week Brown kicked 3 goals in a 10 goal drubbing... Equivelant to a bag and let's not overlook that his a fringe player..
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Usually I'm one to defend Shoe, but this game summed up his whole career. Too slow with his decision making, constantly second guessing himself and generally not being accountable for his direct opponent. I'm not gonna personally attack the bloke's character like many seem to be doing on here, cause he works his arse off whenever he gets selected.
That being said he just doesn't have what it takes to be an AFL footballer and at the moment he is an obvious liability in this team.
That being said he just doesn't have what it takes to be an AFL footballer and at the moment he is an obvious liability in this team.
frawley will be back next week, and lake not to far away #25 will be vaccant next year and hopefully #4 aswell.
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Not the first time a double fist by a defender has been questioned, Gibbo has done it and you wonder, if you could punch it with two hands why didn't you grab it, I would say in Shoe's case complete lack of anything resembling confidence in his own ability to mark the ball, he got destroyed today
It's a team game, can't single out a player and blame them for a loss.
Pretty hard for Shoey to come in and replace Lake / Frawley, but with Spangher out he was asked to have a crack for us. Think he'd look a bit more comfortable covering Strattons 3rd tall defender position, perhaps even look pretty good if Hodgey was around to help marshall the troops into position.
I respect the bloke - he had a chance to leave Hawthorn for more opportunities but wanted to stay in the brown and gold and fight for a spot in the side.
Pretty hard for Shoey to come in and replace Lake / Frawley, but with Spangher out he was asked to have a crack for us. Think he'd look a bit more comfortable covering Strattons 3rd tall defender position, perhaps even look pretty good if Hodgey was around to help marshall the troops into position.
I respect the bloke - he had a chance to leave Hawthorn for more opportunities but wanted to stay in the brown and gold and fight for a spot in the side.
i agree i really think clarko needs to change it up.
Don't see what we've got to lose by giving Heatherley a go in replacement of Schoey at this point....he's definately not lacking aggression or that competitive spirit that every good defender has.
I'd also like to see Litherland back while suckling finds form at box hill. Think he's game translates better at AFL level rather than VFL. Not to mention he's very good one on one, accountable and has a great aperitite for the contest. Doesn't need to do anything pretty, just make the right decisions and give 100%, which is pretty much what he was doing before he lost his spot.
I'd also like to see Litherland back while suckling finds form at box hill. Think he's game translates better at AFL level rather than VFL. Not to mention he's very good one on one, accountable and has a great aperitite for the contest. Doesn't need to do anything pretty, just make the right decisions and give 100%, which is pretty much what he was doing before he lost his spot.
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Surely you can't be serious.
A spud is a spud is a spud....The boy is 195cm, 95kgs & has the perfect build for a key defensive post....The issue is not for which position he is best suited for, the issue is that he cannot play AFL standard football.....Anyone with un-prejudiced eyes can see that his level of competence -or lack thereof - simply does not translate to AFL standard.
Talk about supporting structures all you like...But if a bloke cannot stand up on his own 2 feet & be counted one on one, then he simply has no place in the side!....Plenty of blokes can look good playing alongside of Hodge & Lake down back, but the true test as a footballer, is when they are relied upon to perform of their own volition, week after week. Including in the absence of others...After 80 games of senior football he has not improved nor learnt a thing.
Time & again this boy has come up short & been exposed as deficient.....Stop defending the indefensible.....Shoey is simply not good enough at the level.
I question our ability to be able to develop a key defender full stop.
After 08 Schoey was our answer ( gulp) while we thought the cluster would save our defense....
Finally we came to our senses and picked up Lake.
In the meantime Spangher and Frawley have come to the club. (Hooray)
Brand and Heatherley are supposed to be our developing defenders however Brand would be 80kgs on a wet day and Kurt is still learning the rules of the game.
Surely there is a 95/100kg defender playing in the VFL/WAFL/SANFL that we can get that understands how to position your body when the ball comes in long and direct and how to make a DECENT decision with ball in hand.
After 08 Schoey was our answer ( gulp) while we thought the cluster would save our defense....
Finally we came to our senses and picked up Lake.
In the meantime Spangher and Frawley have come to the club. (Hooray)
Brand and Heatherley are supposed to be our developing defenders however Brand would be 80kgs on a wet day and Kurt is still learning the rules of the game.
Surely there is a 95/100kg defender playing in the VFL/WAFL/SANFL that we can get that understands how to position your body when the ball comes in long and direct and how to make a DECENT decision with ball in hand.
I'm not sure why Schoey plays 10 meters in front of his man, when the ball is kicked in long to his opponent he loses the ball in the air and scrambles to get back, then his opponent takes what is basically an uncontested mark.
It has to be a coaches directive because he does it time and time again, I've played a lot of footy at CHB albeit not at AFL level but the only time I play in front of my man is on a windy day.
Schoey go back to manning up your opponent and watch the ball in the air, this may actually help you in spoiling, marking or even just getting a finger nail on the ball because at the moment you look a headless chook when the balls kicked in long.
It has to be a coaches directive because he does it time and time again, I've played a lot of footy at CHB albeit not at AFL level but the only time I play in front of my man is on a windy day.
Schoey go back to manning up your opponent and watch the ball in the air, this may actually help you in spoiling, marking or even just getting a finger nail on the ball because at the moment you look a headless chook when the balls kicked in long.
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He's not a defender, it's clear to anyone who watches him.. We can make excuses and say he's trained as a forward and all that, but if this is the case he should have a stronger understanding of what the forward is thinking. He gets turned around too much, he loses body contact too often, he judges the ball poorly and seems to struggle one on one. One of these is bad for a kpd, all are an indication he's not up,to it.
Why not brand? Why not heatherley, God try bloody tim o'brien in need. As much as we hoped he'd become the KP player we needed, he's so far away from it after 6 years it's frightening.
Why not brand? Why not heatherley, God try bloody tim o'brien in need. As much as we hoped he'd become the KP player we needed, he's so far away from it after 6 years it's frightening.
