Opinion Sack Hinkley 4 - Show Him The Door

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If we look overseas there are many coaches in other sports who are able to take bottom of the barrel teams and make them into a competitive unit. However, it is a completely bigger jump to go from being consistently competitive, to holding up the cup at the end of the season.

Take David Moyes for example. His stint at Everton and current stint at West Ham in the EPL is that of a club who's overachieving. If you're a mid table club looking to get into the Europa league, it would be hard to go past Moyes as your manager.

However, you put Moyes in charge of Man United coming off a title winning season the year before, and he capitulated under the expectation and didn't even complete a full season in the job such was his incompetence to fufill the role.

I don't think Hinkley is all that different to Moyes. Moyes has never won any trophy of note, he consistently gets middling teams to overachieve without seriously giving the title a shake, and when the expectation is on, he fails to deliver.

And despite all of that, he fully well deserves a spot coaching those middling sides. He is very good at that role - just like Ken was good to take us from basket case to competitive.

And just like Moyes, when the pressure is on, Ken capitulates. He has a role in the AFL, it just shouldn't be at a club who's in a premiership window expecting to seriously contend for a flag over the coming years.
 
Chewy316 said:
If we look overseas there are many coaches in other sports who are able to take bottom of the barrel teams and make them into a competitive unit. However, it is a completely bigger jump to go from being consistently competitive, to holding up the cup at the end of the season.

Take David Moyes for example. His stint at Everton and current stint at West Ham in the EPL is that of a club who's overachieving. If you're a mid table club looking to get into the Europa league, it would be hard to go past Moyes as your manager.

However, you put Moyes in charge of Man United coming off a title winning season the year before, and he capitulated under the expectation and didn't even complete a full season in the job such was his incompetence to fufill the role.

I don't think Hinkley is all that different to Moyes. Moyes has never won any trophy of note, he consistently gets middling teams to overachieve without seriously giving the title a shake, and when the expectation is on, he fails to deliver.

And despite all of that, he fully well deserves a spot coaching those middling sides. He is very good at that role - just like Ken was good to take us from basket case to competitive.

And just like Moyes, when the pressure is on, Ken capitulates. He has a role in the AFL, it just shouldn't be at a club who's in a premiership window expecting to seriously contend for a flag over the coming years.
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This x 1,000.

The Gold Coast job (2017) would have been perfect for him — in a similar fashion to Paul Roos parachuting into Melbourne for three years with a narrow focus to overhaul culture, standards and prepare the real tilt for his apprentice and scheduled successor.

Instead we’ve convinced ourselves we’ve got the man capable of executing the final phase, despite a mountain range of evidence to the contrary.
 

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tribey said:
This x 1,000.

The Gold Coast job (2017) would have been perfect for him — in a similar fashion to Paul Roos parachuting into Melbourne for three years with a narrow focus to overhaul culture, standards and prepare the real tilt for his apprentice and scheduled successor.

Instead we’ve convinced ourselves we’ve got the man capable of executing the final phase, despite a mountain range of evidence to the contrary.
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Yep.

That same Gold Coast role is essentially still vacant and primed for Hinkley to take up. They're still a basket case, their standards are horrible and the media scrutiny up there in SEQ on them is non-existent. A senior assistant role at the Suns with the viewpoint to put him in the top job if Dew failed to fire in 2022 would have been absolutely perfect for Ken and the Suns.

The AFL have for a while wanted Ken to go up there, and they were supportive of Ken going for the 2018 season if we decided to let him go. There was a path to be had this off-season where Port could have elected to let Ken go with a 6 month payout, with a nice cushy job up on the Gold Coast to fall on where he and Donna could have enjoyed their daily seafood platter overlooking the water. Given the AFL are bankrolling the Suns, they could have conceivably paid him not much less than what he was on at Port. Combined with the additional 6 month payout it's likely he would have not been any worse off financially.

Instead we've hitched our wagon to him for the season ahead, it seems. My biggest fear is that they get to another prelim next year, lose by a small margin, and then extend Hinkley for another 2 seasons on top of the remaining year he would have left on the current deal.

An elite coach with an elite support team around him would have had this current squad playing this evening.
 
Chewy316 said:
If we look overseas there are many coaches in other sports who are able to take bottom of the barrel teams and make them into a competitive unit. However, it is a completely bigger jump to go from being consistently competitive, to holding up the cup at the end of the season.

Take David Moyes for example. His stint at Everton and current stint at West Ham in the EPL is that of a club who's overachieving. If you're a mid table club looking to get into the Europa league, it would be hard to go past Moyes as your manager.

However, you put Moyes in charge of Man United coming off a title winning season the year before, and he capitulated under the expectation and didn't even complete a full season in the job such was his incompetence to fufill the role.

I don't think Hinkley is all that different to Moyes. Moyes has never won any trophy of note, he consistently gets middling teams to overachieve without seriously giving the title a shake, and when the expectation is on, he fails to deliver.

And despite all of that, he fully well deserves a spot coaching those middling sides. He is very good at that role - just like Ken was good to take us from basket case to competitive.

And just like Moyes, when the pressure is on, Ken capitulates. He has a role in the AFL, it just shouldn't be at a club who's in a premiership window expecting to seriously contend for a flag over the coming years.
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Best call I've read for sometime, the Moyes/Hinkley comparison is spot on.
 
Enviable Tradition said:
G Cornes said on radio this morning that Ken's problem is that he wasn't strong enough to stand up to his assistants

No doubt this has come from Graham's SON inside the club and is reflective of the clubs views.

This combined with Port not replacing the senior assistant makes me think that Ken has convinced the club he needs less feedback not more (due to his lack of fortitude).

This won't end well.

At least if that is the approach there is no one left to blame.
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FTFY
 
I just saw this on GremioPower's twitter account - it was tweet to Tredders..

It's amazing Hinkley hasn't spun us the Donald Rumsfeld line about unknowns to explain the PF loss.

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

 
Enviable Tradition said:
G Cornes said on radio this morning that Ken's problem is that he wasn't strong enough to stand up to his assistants

No doubt this has come from Graham's contacts inside the club and is reflective of the clubs views.

This combined with Port not replacing the senior assistant makes me think that Ken has convinced the club he needs less feedback not more (due to his lack of fortitude).

This won't end well.

At least if that is the approach there is no one left to blame.
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A statement like that definitely suggests Corne's snr is being fed information from inside the club, and if his source was Chadbro maybe there could be repercussions and Alberton will finally become a Corne's free zone.

Unfortunately though there is just as strong a chance he was fed the info by the club in a lame attempt to take the pressure off kern.
 
1954 said:
A statement like that definitely suggests Corne's snr is being fed information from inside the club, and if his source was Chadbro maybe there could be repercussions and Alberton will finally become a Corne's free zone.

Unfortunately though there is just as strong a chance he was fed the info by the club in a lame attempt to take the pressure off kern.
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Or to justify scrimping on footy department spend after claiming they never would.
 

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RussellEbertHandball said:
I just saw this on GremioPower's twitter account - it was tweet to Tredders..

It's amazing Hinkley hasn't spun us the Donald Rumsfeld line about unknowns to explain the PF loss.

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

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Good grief!
And he's still in charge?

Seriously, he's a nice enough bloke, I think we all get that. But tactically, he is inept - and as a motivator against top teams, he falls a long way short of the mark.

So his role is...........?
 
VineValerian said:
Good grief!
And he's still in charge?

Seriously, he's a nice enough bloke, I think we all get that. But tactically, he is inept - and as a motivator against top teams, he falls a long way short of the mark.

So his role is...........?
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Nice and flakey and that's what his teams are.

He's like Kim Beazley - nice, but doesn't have the ticker.
 
I listened to the last 10 minutes of Cornes and KG's show on 5AA. They were interviewing Craig Hutchinson, who said that Hinkley called Kane on Wednesday. Apparently, they had a "long robust but friendly discussion" about Kane's criticism.

In a rare moment of agreeance with Graham Cornes, he just replied "that Preliminary Final is indefensible".

Can't help but think that the more they try to silence the crtics the deeper hole they are digging.
 
Enviable Tradition said:
G Cornes said on radio this morning that Ken's problem is that he wasn't strong enough to stand up to his assistants

No doubt this has come from Graham's contacts inside the club and is reflective of the clubs views.

This combined with Port not replacing the senior assistant makes me think that Ken has convinced the club he needs less feedback not more (due to his lack of fortitude).

This won't end well.

At least if that is the approach there is no one left to blame.
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This is horrendous gaslighting.

It's always someone else's fault. This reminds me of Janus post on here in the 2015-19 era laying the entire blame at the feet of the players and/or coaches who happened to be departing that offseason and banging on about how now that we didn't have those people holding us back, we'd realise our potential.

And absolutely no doubt if we fall at all in 2022 it'll be spun as struggling to replace Voss and Schofield's experience in the box.
 
Jojay said:
He was a bit of a flashy half back flanker as a player - who never achieved a premiership... a perpetual runner-up.

That's a pretty good analogy for us ☹
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The club is about stability now. Ken gets us 8-12 wins a year. Keeps us afloat.

Crows will win a premiership before we even make another GF
 
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Fire him during Hooray For Everything’s halftime show.
 
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