Opinion SACKED Podcast 2024: Former MRC member Nathan Burke pushed for Trent Cotchin to be cleared to play in 2017 grand final

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Former match review panel member Nathan Burke says he had to fight tooth and nail to free Trent Cotchin for the 2017 grand final despite the league’s intention to suspend the Richmond captain.

In one of this century’s most contentious MRO decisions Cotchin was eventually cleared to play despite concussing GWS star Dylan Shiel after collecting him with a shoulder to the head as he won the ball.

The match review panel role for Burke is part of an extraordinary career that saw him as the St Kilda games record holder, the Dogs AFLW coach, a long-time St Kilda board member and an Australian Rules Hall of Fame member.

Burke told the Herald Sun’s Sacked podcast he was able to show a precedent that proved it was a technique from Cotchin he had used often without being suspended.

But he says an MRP that included current match review officer Michael Christian was intent on rubbing Cotchin out.

“We were all equal at that stage. We didn’t have a chairman. And yeah, that was probably the reason why Michael Christian is doing it now, and I’m not, because he was much more in tune with the AFL’s way of thinking than I was, yes, and I was probably the dissenter on quite a few occasions,” he told Sacked.

[PLAYERCARD]Trent Cotchin[/PLAYERCARD] wouldn’t have been able to lift the premiership cup in 2017 without the intervention of MRP member Nathan Burke. Picture: Phil Hillyard

Trent Cotchin wouldn’t have been able to lift the premiership cup in 2017 without the intervention of MRP member Nathan Burke. Picture: Phil Hillyard

“Probably one that I got my own way on was the Trent Cotchin preliminary final decision.

“He dived into the football shoulder first and collected Dylan. There was a groundswell to say that he carelessly knocked the guy out so he shouldn’t play in the grand final. I was able to pull up two or three other examples of him doing exactly the same thing.

It became a bit of a technique of his. At the time the rules were different. I said if we are saying that’s a legitimate action it is overly careless because we are not giving a free kick for doing that action?

“Nowadays the rules say yes but then the rules said no. It wasn’t against the rules to do that particular action. And so I fought long and hard for him to play in the grand final and that was probably my demise as a panel member.

“The AFL was heading down the path of accidental head contact being reportable. And they were heading down that path, and I was sort of resisting that path to a degree.”

[PLAYERCARD]Trent Cotchin[/PLAYERCARD] speaks to the media after he was cleared of any penalty for his bump on [PLAYERCARD]Dylan Shiel[/PLAYERCARD] just days before the 2017 grand final. Picture: Michael Dodge/Getty Images

Trent Cotchin speaks to the media after he was cleared of any penalty for his bump on Dylan Shiel just days before the 2017 grand final. Picture: Michael Dodge/Getty Images

The match review panel statement ahead of the grand final stated that it “was the view of the panel that Cotchin was seeking to win possession as his line of direction was always towards the ball and not his opponent. The panel determined that Cotchin was seeking to contest the ball and therefore contact was not unreasonable in the circumstances. No further action was taken.”

As match review officer Christian has often been strong in his own views about the legality of actions and had pitched battles with the AFL hierarchy about suspensions.

Cotchin was handed at least 10 fines and handed over $11,000 to the AFL across his career but was several times lucky not to be suspended for borderline incidents.

He went on to play a key role in the drought-breaking 2017 grand final victory over Adelaide as the Tigers won their first premiership since 1980.

 

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Steve Hocking lost it over this decision, and made sure that Richmond got screwed every step of the way ever since
It didn't work out well for him seeing as we went back to back after winning this one.
 
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Former match review panel member Nathan Burke says he had to fight tooth and nail to free Trent Cotchin for the 2017 grand final despite the league’s intention to suspend the Richmond captain.

In one of this century’s most contentious MRO decisions Cotchin was eventually cleared to play despite concussing GWS star Dylan Shiel after collecting him with a shoulder to the head as he won the ball.

The match review panel role for Burke is part of an extraordinary career that saw him as the St Kilda games record holder, the Dogs AFLW coach, a long-time St Kilda board member and an Australian Rules Hall of Fame member.

Burke told the Herald Sun’s Sacked podcast he was able to show a precedent that proved it was a technique from Cotchin he had used often without being suspended.

But he says an MRP that included current match review officer Michael Christian was intent on rubbing Cotchin out.

“We were all equal at that stage. We didn’t have a chairman. And yeah, that was probably the reason why Michael Christian is doing it now, and I’m not, because he was much more in tune with the AFL’s way of thinking than I was, yes, and I was probably the dissenter on quite a few occasions,” he told Sacked.

Trent Cotchin wouldn’t have been able to lift the premiership cup in 2017 without the intervention of MRP member Nathan Burke. Picture: Phil Hillyard

Trent Cotchin wouldn’t have been able to lift the premiership cup in 2017 without the intervention of MRP member Nathan Burke. Picture: Phil Hillyard

“Probably one that I got my own way on was the Trent Cotchin preliminary final decision.

“He dived into the football shoulder first and collected Dylan. There was a groundswell to say that he carelessly knocked the guy out so he shouldn’t play in the grand final. I was able to pull up two or three other examples of him doing exactly the same thing.

It became a bit of a technique of his. At the time the rules were different. I said if we are saying that’s a legitimate action it is overly careless because we are not giving a free kick for doing that action?

“Nowadays the rules say yes but then the rules said no. It wasn’t against the rules to do that particular action. And so I fought long and hard for him to play in the grand final and that was probably my demise as a panel member.

“The AFL was heading down the path of accidental head contact being reportable. And they were heading down that path, and I was sort of resisting that path to a degree.”

Trent Cotchin speaks to the media after he was cleared of any penalty for his bump on Dylan Shiel just days before the 2017 grand final. Picture: Michael Dodge/Getty Images

Trent Cotchin speaks to the media after he was cleared of any penalty for his bump on Dylan Shiel just days before the 2017 grand final. Picture: Michael Dodge/Getty Images

The match review panel statement ahead of the grand final stated that it “was the view of the panel that Cotchin was seeking to win possession as his line of direction was always towards the ball and not his opponent. The panel determined that Cotchin was seeking to contest the ball and therefore contact was not unreasonable in the circumstances. No further action was taken.”

As match review officer Christian has often been strong in his own views about the legality of actions and had pitched battles with the AFL hierarchy about suspensions.

Cotchin was handed at least 10 fines and handed over $11,000 to the AFL across his career but was several times lucky not to be suspended for borderline incidents.

He went on to play a key role in the drought-breaking 2017 grand final victory over Adelaide as the Tigers won their first premiership since 1980.

Which at the time was 100% the right decision. Burke explained the reasoning perfectly and it makes sense.
 
Title makes it seem like he just wanted Cotch to play even though he should've been suspended, not that he provided actual proof that this was an action that Cotch has used before and the action was no rule against the action at the time.

The title should be referencing this line 'But he says an MRP that included current match review officer Michael Christian was intent on rubbing Cotchin out.' Why the **** was the MRP so intent on rubbing Cotchin out? Why did it have to proven that he was not guilt rather than proven that he was guilty?

Sure doesn't do anything to persuade anyone that some people in the league wern't targeting Richmond. Trying to get Cotch suspended, 666 rule, stand rule, Ellis compo, our unbelievable free kick and 50m discrepetcy over more than half a decade.
 

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Couple of things here.

This line on it's own is why the notion of a suspension is just dumb and any supporters who have ever gone after Cotch with this incident clearly have NFI about football.

"as he won the ball"

You're allowed to win the football with incidental contact, even moreso back then than now.


Shiel also got up to go on and kick the very next goal of the game on the run from near 50m, would strongly suggest he had his bearings while executing such a skill.

Finally, it was actually Astbury that knocked him out, who also won a Premiership that following week.
 
Couple of things here.

This line on it's own is why the notion of a suspension is just dumb and any supporters who have ever gone after Cotch with this incident clearly have NFI about football.

"as he won the ball"

You're allowed to win the football with incidental contact, even moreso back then than now.


Shiel also got up to go on and kick the very next goal of the game on the run from near 50m, would strongly suggest he had his bearings while executing such a skill.

Finally, it was actually Astbury that knocked him out, who also won a Premiership that following week.
I'll die on this hill!!

Sheil went in with a shit technique! Left himself open and failed to turn his body to protect himself and the ball! Not to mention he shit himself and fumbled the pill!

Cotch was perfect! Led in with his shoulder and hip protecting himself like any old school footballer was taught!

Glad someone at AFL house was smart enough to see it! Shame they booted him for common sense!

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Couple of things here.

This line on it's own is why the notion of a suspension is just dumb and any supporters who have ever gone after Cotch with this incident clearly have NFI about football.

"as he won the ball"

You're allowed to win the football with incidental contact, even moreso back then than now.


Shiel also got up to go on and kick the very next goal of the game on the run from near 50m, would strongly suggest he had his bearings while executing such a skill.

Finally, it was actually Astbury that knocked him out, who also won a Premiership that following week.

Yes exactly. I wish these oppos would just stop with the ‘he knocked him out’ rubbish. The bloke played on for another 20 minutes at least, they only pulled the plug on him during the 1/4 time break. At no stage was he knocked out.
Really gets on my nerves.
 
Couple of things here.

This line on it's own is why the notion of a suspension is just dumb and any supporters who have ever gone after Cotch with this incident clearly have NFI about football.

"as he won the ball"

You're allowed to win the football with incidental contact, even moreso back then than now.


Shiel also got up to go on and kick the very next goal of the game on the run from near 50m, would strongly suggest he had his bearings while executing such a skill.

Finally, it was actually Astbury that knocked him out, who also won a Premiership that following week.
Unfortunately Mr Michael i do have to correct you there Mr Dylan shiel did not kick a goal in the preliminary final 😢
Harry h kicked 4
Cal cement head kicked 3
Josh smelly Kelly kicked 1
Big John patten kicked 1
 
Unfortunately Mr Michael i do have to correct you there Mr Dylan shiel did not kick a goal in the preliminary final 😢
Harry h kicked 4
Cal cement head kicked 3
Josh smelly Kelly kicked 1
Big John patten kicked 1
i thought it went through! may he hit someone at the top of the square.

either way he was clearly not impacted!
 
Is this another rule that was changed because of us?

All the commentary in this clip is around Shiels sore shoulder

Cotchin's contact is in the first quarter and he gets subbed off in the second quarter with concussion after running into a brick wall

 
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Former match review panel member Nathan Burke says he had to fight tooth and nail to free Trent Cotchin for the 2017 grand final despite the league’s intention to suspend the Richmond captain.

In one of this century’s most contentious MRO decisions Cotchin was eventually cleared to play despite concussing GWS star Dylan Shiel after collecting him with a shoulder to the head as he won the ball.

The match review panel role for Burke is part of an extraordinary career that saw him as the St Kilda games record holder, the Dogs AFLW coach, a long-time St Kilda board member and an Australian Rules Hall of Fame member.

Burke told the Herald Sun’s Sacked podcast he was able to show a precedent that proved it was a technique from Cotchin he had used often without being suspended.

But he says an MRP that included current match review officer Michael Christian was intent on rubbing Cotchin out.

“We were all equal at that stage. We didn’t have a chairman. And yeah, that was probably the reason why Michael Christian is doing it now, and I’m not, because he was much more in tune with the AFL’s way of thinking than I was, yes, and I was probably the dissenter on quite a few occasions,” he told Sacked.

[PLAYERCARD]Trent Cotchin[/PLAYERCARD] wouldn’t have been able to lift the premiership cup in 2017 without the intervention of MRP member Nathan Burke. Picture: Phil Hillyard

Trent Cotchin wouldn’t have been able to lift the premiership cup in 2017 without the intervention of MRP member Nathan Burke. Picture: Phil Hillyard

“Probably one that I got my own way on was the Trent Cotchin preliminary final decision.

“He dived into the football shoulder first and collected Dylan. There was a groundswell to say that he carelessly knocked the guy out so he shouldn’t play in the grand final. I was able to pull up two or three other examples of him doing exactly the same thing.

It became a bit of a technique of his. At the time the rules were different. I said if we are saying that’s a legitimate action it is overly careless because we are not giving a free kick for doing that action?

“Nowadays the rules say yes but then the rules said no. It wasn’t against the rules to do that particular action. And so I fought long and hard for him to play in the grand final and that was probably my demise as a panel member.

“The AFL was heading down the path of accidental head contact being reportable. And they were heading down that path, and I was sort of resisting that path to a degree.”

[PLAYERCARD]Trent Cotchin[/PLAYERCARD] speaks to the media after he was cleared of any penalty for his bump on [PLAYERCARD]Dylan Shiel[/PLAYERCARD] just days before the 2017 grand final. Picture: Michael Dodge/Getty Images

Trent Cotchin speaks to the media after he was cleared of any penalty for his bump on Dylan Shiel just days before the 2017 grand final. Picture: Michael Dodge/Getty Images

The match review panel statement ahead of the grand final stated that it “was the view of the panel that Cotchin was seeking to win possession as his line of direction was always towards the ball and not his opponent. The panel determined that Cotchin was seeking to contest the ball and therefore contact was not unreasonable in the circumstances. No further action was taken.”

As match review officer Christian has often been strong in his own views about the legality of actions and had pitched battles with the AFL hierarchy about suspensions.

Cotchin was handed at least 10 fines and handed over $11,000 to the AFL across his career but was several times lucky not to be suspended for borderline incidents.

He went on to play a key role in the drought-breaking 2017 grand final victory over Adelaide as the Tigers won their first premiership since 1980.


CFL in full swing. Chrisso the AFL plant wanted Cotchin suspended and Burkey stood up to him.

Soon after Burkey is relinquished of his duties and Chrisso is installed as sole decision maker to ensure this abomination of a Tiger getting a decision go their way never happens again …. and whattya know …. since that moment the Tigers have been screwed at almost every opportunity.



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Tells you how much the CFL hate us.
So he got the arse over Christian because of this?
Unbelievable corruption by our good old pals at CFL HQ.
Onya Burkey.
Saints are welcome here.
Even Molly rallied for us.
And of course Grant Thomas who can see through the bs umpiring.
 

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