SALADA/VladFL: Slap on the wrist. - STRICTLY ESSENDON SUPPORTERS ONLY

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Has anyone else notice now since the AFL have finally got a face for the "Darkest day in Australia Sport" the papers that were the AFL's attack dog are now writing positive articles about Essendon???

I wonder if it's advice from the AFL.

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What annoys me the most is the lost of picks, we were 2nd on the ladder in round 17 and was going to fight the Hawks for top spot with the 6th youngest list while being under extreme pressure from this drug saga.

All our old guys will retire at the end of next year leaving Licka as our oldest at 29 by then, the potential of a multi flag dynasty is there due to youth and quality of the list. Now it has been slightly knocked done percentage wise because of draft sanctions argh.......
 

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Jab said:
It shouldn't end until the facts are out in the open.
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The cynic in me says that neither the AFL or Essendon want the full truth of this whole thing to come out notwithstanding that they probably have wildly different versions of the truth

Us poor mugs will be left trying to decipher agenda driven media reports
 
yaco55 said:
Another excellent article by Chip Le Grand. It helps when you research to find facts, rather than making up facts.
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This article is definitely interesting but how many people read the Australian?

Very few will see this article
 
After reading that article from Chip, I have never been more proud of Hird. Clearly denied natural justice, the man goes and throws himself under the bus in order to end this lying, media-driven shit that was affecting the players and club he loves.

He has more honour and integrity in his little finger than the w***ers in the AFL, Fairfax and HTB
 
Keyser Soze said:
The cynic in me says that neither the AFL or Essendon want the full truth of this whole thing to come out notwithstanding that they probably have wildly different versions of the truth

Us poor mugs will be left trying to decipher agenda driven media reports
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And those media reports will be incomplete.

The club told us repeatedly that it was looking forward to telling its side of the story and setting the record straight. Whether it actually meant it is yet to be seen.

The best chance for the truth to come out is a protracted legal battle in court, but there's no chance of that happening.
 
Are the 'Deeds Of Settlement' that the AFL and Essendon agreed to publicly available ?

I'm trying to figure out what confidentiality / gagging provisions are included.
 
It sounds counter-intuitive, but I almost hope that the article posted is completely false, and if it's not, that none of this stuff ever actually gets proven.

You talk about ripping the game apart, proof that evidence was dismissed or suppressed would cause the league to implode, and who knows what we'd be left with in the future
 

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Evidence omitted from ASADA report on Dons
THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority report into the Essendon supplements program that triggered unprecedented sanctions against the club omitted key evidence about a violent altercation between then club high-performance manager Dean Robinson and James Hird and documents and photographs supporting Essendon's claims that its players were administered with a legal immunity booster instead of a banned substance.

ASADA's investigators were provided testimony by Hird, corroborated by members of Robinson's support staff, about an incident that occurred at the club in February last year, when Robinson flew into a rage over a disagreement about how best to run a training session.

When Hird insisted Robinson change the training session, Robinson punched a hole in the wall.

Hird told ASADA that from that point on, he and Robinson had a strained relationship -- a relationship further damaged in September last year when the club, through Hird's mentor Danny Corcoran, suggested to Robinson that he should seek employment elsewhere.

Had the case against Essendon and Hird been resolved in open hearing rather than backroom negotiations at AFL House, Robinson's motives in seeking to portray Hird as a driving force behind the supplements program would have been keenly scrutinised.

Instead, some of the AFL's most damaging allegations against Essendon and Hird, built on the testimony of Robinson, convicted drug trafficker Shane Charter and deregistered chiropractor Malcolm Hooper, remain unsubstantiated, unproven and on the public record.

The AFL, as part of its publicly released, 34-page statement of grounds against Essendon, accused the club of administering its players with Thymosin Beta 4, a peptide hormone banned by the World Anti Doping Agency.

Essendon's position is that its players werenot given Thymosin Beta 4 and that when players consented on February 8 to be administered with Thymosin, this was shorthand for Thymodulin, an immunity booster safely given to babies.

The statement of grounds included circumstantial evidence showing that sports scientist Stephen Dank, at the time he was working with Essendon, discussed with Charter details about the supply, preparation and use of Thymosin Beta 4, which Dank legally obtained through the Como Compounding Pharmacy, and that both men referred to the substance as Thymosin. The AFL charge sheet said investigators found "no record of Como Compounding Pharmacy having supplied the club with Thymodulin".

"To date, no other supplier of Thymosin to Essendon Football Club has been identified," the AFL found.

The AFL did not include Thymodulin on a list of substances it suspected of being given to Essendon players in the 2012 season.

The Weekend Australian can reveal ASADA was provided with evidence showing that about half of Essendon's playing group were administered with Thymodulin over a four-month period.

A spreadsheet retrieved by the club from Dank's computer log-in at Windy Hill shows a schedule of Thymodulin injections given to Essendon players over 16 weeks. The spread sheet is titled "2012 THYMODULIN". The club also tendered to ASADA a photograph taken by one of its officials showing Dank administering a substance to an Essendon player.

In the photograph, Thymodulin is clearly visible on the bottle being used by Dank.

The Weekend Australian understands that contrary to the AFL charge sheet, Essendon was supplied Thymodulin by the Como Compounding Pharmacy in the Melbourne suburb of Toorak. The owner of the pharmacy, Nima Alavi, declined to provide testimony or make his company records available to ASADA.

ASADA's 400-page interim report relied on by AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon to lay charges against Essendon and its officials is understood to make no mention of Robinson's altercation with Hird or the Thymodulin spread sheet and photograph.

Robinson's lawyer, David Galbally QC, said yesterday he was unable to contact his client for a response.
Following two days of negotiations at AFL House that resulted in Essendon pleading guilty to conduct unbecoming and prejudicial to the AFL, the AFL withdrew its allegation that Essendon administered its players with any banned substances, including Thymosin Beta 4.

Instead, Essendon and the AFL agreed that its players could have been administered with a banned substance and that the club was unable to determine whether this had happened. The charges against Hird, Corcoran and assistant coach Mark Thompson were dropped in return for the three officials agreeing to penalties for their part in failing to properly manage the supplements program and protect the health of players. Essendon was dumped from this year's finals, stripped of draft picks and fined $2 million. In accepting a 12-month ban from coaching, Hird agreed he "did not take sufficient steps to avoid there being a risk that players may have been administered substances that were prohibited".

As late as 6 o'clock on the night of the settlement, Hird was determined to continue his Supreme Court fight against the AFL, firm in his belief that his testimony to the joint ASADA-AFL investigation had been twisted by investigators and leaked to the media and that most of the allegations against him were wrong. It is understood he reluctantly agreed to accept the AFL's sanction once it became clear his club was intent on resolving the bitter dispute.

"Sometimes the good of the game and the good of the football club and the good of the players comes ahead of the principles, the fight," he told team supporters.

Club doctor Bruce Reid refused to agree to a penalty and will petition the Victorian Supreme Court on Monday to force the AFL to appoint an independent person to hear the case against him. Hird's testimony to ASADA differed sharply with the AFL statement of grounds about the "warning" he received in August 2011 about the use of peptides and his knowledge of whether they were being used at the club.

During a marathon, nine-hour interview, Hird told ASADA investigator John Nolan, a former investigator with Victoria Police and the Office of Police Integrity, the state's disbanded police watchdog, that he first learned a peptide was being given to Essendon players in January last year, when Reid wrote a letter expressing his concern about AOD-9604 being administered to players as part of Dank's supplements program.

Before then, Dank and Robinson had referred to AOD-9604 only as an amino acid, as supported by text messages between Dank and Robinson obtained by ASADA. The case against Hird begins on August 5, 2011, when, according to the AFL statement of grounds, Hird, Corcoran and former football manager Paul Hamilton are called to a meeting with an ASADA representative and AFL integrity manager Brett Clothier and warned that peptides are a "serious risk to the integrity of the AFL" and in the same category of doping substances as steroids and Human Growth Hormone.

Hird told ASADA the meeting came about after he casually asked an ASADA testing officer during an Essendon training session whether he had heard anything about AFL clubs using "peptypes". In his testimony, Hird does not recall being warned off the use of all peptides by either the AFL or ASADA. His recollection was that Clothier told him some peptides were banned and others were not. The status of AOD-9604 remains a fiercely contested issue in the Essendon supplements scandal and a central argument in the ongoing case against Reid. Although the substance was declared banned by WADA in April, ASADA's lead investigator Paul Simonsson in May told the club's solicitor Tony Hargreaves and anti-doping consultant Andrew Garnham he did not believe the substance was banned in 2012 and prosecution on the basis of AOD-9604 would be problematic.

The only doping allegation Essendon could not answer is whether its players may have been administered with a banned substance at the HyperMed Clinic in Prahran between April and August. Hird told ASADA that he, Corcoran, Hamilton and Reid agreed only to players receiving hyperbaric treatment at the clinic, which was owned by Hooper.

Hird told ASADA that he inspected the clinic with Robinson shortly after the Anzac Day match and witnessed three players receiving hyperbaric treatments and did not see any players being given injections. He said he knew nothing about injections at the clinic until May, when a player complained to Reid about being sore from his treatment. He said he told Dank to stop all injections.

The first Hird knew of players being given a mystery medication from Mexico was on April 16 this year during his testimony to ASADA, when he was told as much by Nolan.
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What. The. ****.
 
johnnyyy92 said:
Evidence omitted from ASADA report on Dons


THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority report into the Essendon supplements program that triggered unprecedented sanctions against the club omitted key evidence about a violent altercation between then club high-performance manager Dean Robinson and James Hird and documents and photographs supporting Essendon's claims that its players were administered with a legal immunity booster instead of a banned substance.
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Now see, that just pisses me right off

But the other side I suppose is it helps to clarify why no infraction notices will probably be issued.

So over this ***** **** *****.
 
Stopher said:
Would you believe it? Instantly dismissed on the HTB as rubbish. No, I'm not joking! :rolleyes:
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Even if ASADA come out and say that we have done nothing wrong, those clowns would choose to worship the views of lord Caro, and her minions Baker and McKenzie, and claim ASADA have their heads in the sand :rolleyes:
 
Stopher said:
Would you believe it? Instantly dismissed on the HTB as rubbish. No, I'm not joking! :rolleyes:
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Oh I don't believe for a second that you're joking.
 
It's funny how the foamers accuse us of being stubborn and delusional and unable to see things from their point of view when actually they are exactly the same, just from the opposite side.
 
Jab said:
It didnt offend me, I'm just didn't like how it was worded. I have never said that no one has inside information to the club, so I'm not sure why the other point was mentioned.

Another thing, I have never posted anything or claimed to have inside knowledge of the club. I have posted that I know who certain self proclaimed messiahs are, which a few here can verify that I do know.

I didn't like the style of your post, but the first paragraph of this post is fine, I don't have an issue with it. I don't have an issue with you either, we've talked privately and I would have thought that we're on good terms.

I hope that you're right and Crameri signs, I don't want to trade him for a draft pick.
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We are on good terms.. I should have worded the post better.

I also think that you are hyper sensitive to so called 'messiahs' and that means that sometimes you are quick to reply.

I would also point out that at no point did I indicate what I thought anyone else who is 'out of contract' would do.. other than my pure opinion.

I very much try to only post with 'mail/sources' when I have heard something I believe to be highly reliable and credible. That doesn't mean I get it 100% right.. but I would staunchly defend my reputation for acting with integrity and responsibility in regards to my claims of any inside knowledge.

All sweet.. hard to believe we have a game tonight.. I'm already focussed on 2014!
 
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