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Pweter said:
For me it comes down to the volume of players we lose that are uncontracted.

Lose 3 of them and it is workable, lose say 7 of them and it starts to really hit our depth.

Plus you underestimate Davey. If he can't get 2 more games this season then he needs to play on.
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I want to keep Davey and rate him more than a lot of people on this board, especially when he gets continuity. However put bluntly if he wanted to leave it wouldn't be the biggest loss.
 
Tangential to this saga, but it'd break my heart if we lost Crammers.

Nonsensical set shots and all.
 

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Melksham (for all my early misgivings) has turned into an important player for our club. We should not underestimate the importance of him signing. The club is still operating and going about its business.

I believe the players still love this club and want to be at this club. The new HPC is great and they are just looking forward to this being over and to enjoying premiership success. Put it this way.. would you rather be at St Kilda??
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Essendon website appears to be down. Surely we need to look into why James:
a) Did not do proper pre-employment checks of the IT manager.
b) Did not supervise enough to ensure this didn't occur.
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I've stuck by Hird.. but this is the last straw. He MUST GO.. don't let the door hit you on the way out!
 
rines said:
Sorry.. just noticed guys posted same thoughts as me but far more succintly.

I'm not worried about list management at this stage.

I personally believe that losing our premiership points will leave a FAR bigger stain on the players and our club than draft picks. I think it would be devastating to our playing list to have all their hard work thrown away and I think this shouldn't be ignored. First and Second round draft picks aren't really going to kill us for ONE YEAR only.. we could 'waste' them with crap kids or a kid that gets injured anyway... points are there, they have been earned and this club NEEDS to play finals.

I would be very disappointed if the current rumoured deals are taken, very very shattering.
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Besides cant we trade for picks?

There are things that are more important to a club, being a club that I known as the only one to ever have been stripped or throwing away the reputation of one of the most respected players/coaches/persons in the league would kill why thi club stands for. An once you lose that you become a basket case.

Look at Melbourne. Didn't even get hit hard with penalties and yet the club is so low on confidence and morale that they just keep floundering. They are a joke. And unless we want to become very very weak we must stay the course and fight.
 
rines said:
I've stuck by Hird.. but this is the last straw. He MUST GO.. don't let the door hit you on the way out!
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Especially when you consider he was a strong supporter of having the website in the first place. He and Lloyd even had third party deals for articles on it a decade ago.
 
rines said:
I am worried about player movement but this is pretty standard heading into August, and especially given everything else. How I see it (only looking at uncontracted players):

Senior list:

Players that I believe would be retiring anyway (so no issue either way):
Hille, David - 2013
Lovett-Murray, Nathan - 2013
Davey, Alwyn - 2013

Players who I believe will re-sign with the Bombers/ have publicly stated support:
Bellchambers, Tom - 2013
Fletcher, Dustin - 2013
Winderlich, Jason - 2013

Players who I believe would be thinking about leaving anyway/ trade bait options irrespective of the 'saga':
Crameri, Stewart - 2013
Gumbleton, Scott - 2013
Hardingham, Kyle - 2013
Pears, Tayte - 2013

Players who are yet to make their mark and may leave for better opportunities without damaging our 'core' list:
Browne, Alex - 2013- Hasn't really cemented a spot
Colyer, Travis - 2013- hasn't really cemented a spot, disposal continues to be a worry
Davis, Luke - 2013 - Hasn't cemented a spot
Dell'Olio, Corey - 2013 - Struggled to get upgraded, hasn't locked in a position
O'Brien, Nicholas - 2013- Still very much a fringe player, I would prefer to keep but not going to kill us if he leaves

Players who are required, clearly in best 22 and yet to sign:
Hooker, Cale - 2013

So, respectfully to Yaco and others, I hear your concerns but when you go through what is a VERY long list, you start to realise that there is probably on 2 signatures we are hunting: Cale Hooker and ONE of either Crameri, Gumby, Hardingham or Pears.

At this stage I doubt our list manager would be panicking. Winders will sign and I am led to believe that Belly will sign, IF the club wants to keep him.. look out for more announcements to come. Remember we are going down the model Bomber used at Geelong.. essentially everyone basically gets a 2 year deal only.. so half your list is always 'coming out' of contract.

As to the rumours that players wish to break contracts.. if they want to leave then good bye (Jetta anyone) but until this ACTUALLY happens.. it will stay in my BS file. This might just be a way a manager gets a better deal for his client or a player not getting opportunities gets to try his hand in the draft.
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Agree with all of this except I would have Fletch in the top group.
 
Tait said:
Anyone care to reassure me here (or give me some reasons as to why it is not happening)? Very little is coming out of the players lately considering their early boisterous backing of Hird and the club. Possibly the only thing that has me worried.

This is basically the only backing I have seen over the past two weeks. A retweet by Goddard (embed didn't work, imaged it).

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yaco55 said:
You dont have so many core players uncontracted at this time of the year.

This is the issue.

Not about Hird or Demetriou or Barack Obama.
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Who are the "core" guys? The ones who might attract top picks if we are stripped?

Out of contract (according to both bf club board threads):

Essendon_______________GEELONG
Bellchambers____________ Bathie (r)
Browne____________________ Bews
Colyer_____________________ Blicavs (r)
Crameri_________________ Burbury (r)
Davey_____________________ Chappy
Davis______________________ Christensen
Dell (r)____________________ Corey
Hardingham_________________ Cowan
Hille_______________________ Eardly (r)
Hooker__________________ Enright
NLM ________________________Guthrie
NOB ________________________Hamling
Pears_______________________ Hunt
Winders_____________________ Kersten
Steinberg ? (r)_______________ McCarthy
Hunter ? (r)_________________ Motlop
Dalgliesh ? (r)________________ Murdoch
____________________________Pods
____________________________Schroder
____________________________Sheringham (r)
____________________________Simpson
____________________________Walker (r)

Pretty similar numbers if you ask me. Crisis down at Geelong I haven't heard about?
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
I want to keep Davey and rate him more than a lot of people on this board, especially when he gets continuity. However put bluntly if he wanted to leave it wouldn't be the biggest loss.
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you might've missed my point. I was saying 2 more games for Davey to get him to 100 and access to his boys under father son (should they be good enough and want it bad enough) given he has.... what.... 4 of them?
 

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Pweter said:
you might've missed my point. I was saying 2 more games for Davey to get him to 100 and access to his boys under father son (should they be good enough and want it bad enough) given he has.... what.... 4 of them?
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Last kids available before the Hird-induced Mutations hit.
 
Pweter said:
you might've missed my point. I was saying 2 more games for Davey to get him to 100 and access to his boys under father son (should they be good enough and want it bad enough) given he has.... what.... 4 of them?
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Hahaha yeah that too. Your point did go waaaaayyy over my head.
 
rumply said:
No

You really think that is the situation that Hird finds himself in? That he is completely without blame in this?

Anyway, I am not looking to argue about this, things just need to be sorted & sorted fast.
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Hird feels he's been treated unfairly, and he feels strongly enough about the situation to take court action.

Based on what I've heard so far Hird wasn't in charge of the department where the governance breaches occurred. He can't be in trouble for sitting in the initial interviews for Dank, or for requesting regular updates from the sports science department, that would be ludicrous, so how can he be made the fall guy for this? Honestly, I want to see some actual facts that show Hird has done wrong. I'm not going to change my opinion of him based on media reports and hearsay.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Especially when you consider he was a strong supporter of having the website in the first place. He and Lloyd even had third party deals for articles on it a decade ago.
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Back when there was ManUtd link. Sheesh!
 
BlacK'n'ReD said:
How many times can those fuarkheads on the HTB board bust their load over the mere smell of a anti-essendon article?

They must walk around in pain constantly.
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I find life to be much better letting them foam with each other.

I have only ventured there about 3 times total, completely not worth it from my perspective. Some people enjoy it, I just can't be assed.
 
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