Sally Rugg vs Monique Ryan

[Gralin]

I am sure you would sign up for it, but imagine if you are working 70 hour weeks and then you get called it on a Sunday night and get screamed at cause your boss is anxious or didn’t do their preparation. From Ruggs affidavit - this happened.

I am not blaming Ryan completely here, I am sure if she had a more experienced chief of staff she wouldn’t have acted like this. Rugg could have managed her better as well.

So many relationships when you work long hours turn toxic. People are tired and then react emotionally. Stuff gets said that can’t be unsaid.

Ryan is a talented surgeon who works is an important area saving lives. I have no idea, but she could also be an egotistical demanding boss who has no consideration for her staff. A lot of people high up are, as to get to that level you need to singularly focused.

Rugg has been in politics for 9 years.
The issue here in part seems to be that Ryan has rather extreme expectations about what should be done for her.
She made comparisons to what Labor staffers did for their MPs, we know the cross bench has less resources than the government ministers.
Ryan was acting like she had a full team of 6 with 3 people from what I've read.

Another thing is just how does she think. As you say she was a senior surgeon, she's now a junior politician. She's used to having more resources.

Then you get stuff like this coming out.


I want to know how she compared her campaign to colonisation, she seems to have a very strong belief in her moral correctness, like she's the righteous hero.

Which again could be ego and would feed into views like Aristotle's that she's one of the good guys and her success is more important than the personal lives of her staff.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Rugg has been in politics for 9 years.
The issue here in part seems to be that Ryan has rather extreme expectations about what should be done for her.
She made comparisons to what Labor staffers did for their MPs, we know the cross bench has less resources than the government ministers.
Ryan was acting like she had a full team of 6 with 3 people from what I've read.

Another thing is just how does she think. As you say she was a senior surgeon, she's now a junior politician. She's used to having more resources.

Then you get stuff like this coming out.
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I want to know how she compared her campaign to colonisation, she seems to have a very strong belief in her moral correctness, like she's the righteous hero.

Which again could be ego and would feed into views like Aristotle's that she's one of the good guys and her success is more important than the personal lives of her staff.

Rugg was fired ,that's what it's all about. It hurt her ego so she hired expensive lawyers to get back and discredit Ryan imo.
I don't think Ryan has done anything different to how any other MP would act at times.
If the truth came out about every MP , it would be a lot worse than this imo.
Frank Zumbo, Andrew Lamming, Linda Reynolds treated their staff a lot worse.
Again I find it very hard to bag a neuro surgeon.
Why on earth would Rugg mention supposed colonisation references, what does thar have to do with work hours?
I think Rugg sees herself as the righteous hero, others might see her as a disrepectful millenial ,vengeful, bitchy, gossipy and out to try and destroy the rep of a respected doctor because she got sacked .

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Sally Rugg’s lawyers have argued that she should be able to return to work while suing her boss. Lol

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Rugg is not qualified to be a chief of staff, she tricked Ryan for her own personal advancement.

If Ryan chose to hire someone who wasn't qualified, that's on her. Generally it seems like a bad idea for a rookie MP to have a rookie chief of staff.

Ryan is a neurologist so I'll back her everday of the week.

Because doctors are always correct, right?

More substance than the major parties. What policies of theirs don't you like? I don't think you'd disagree with any of them. See if you can find one.

Allegra Spender's desire to reduce business taxes.

So you place priveleged Chief of Staff worker and her axe to grind as more important than meaningful climate action and keep repeating the phrase workers rights ad nauseam.

We can care about more than one issue at a time.

Workers rights is about the working poor and exploitation of workers who don't know their rights.

No, workers' rights is about all workers and their conditions at work. You don't suddenly stop being a worker after you hit a certain salary.

And you want to bag a neurologist who studied for 7 years to save lives because she got a bit grumpy with Rugg who wasn't pulling her weight, or delegating when required and who flew covid positive.

Why do you assume it was Rugg not pulling her weight, rather than Ryan making unreasonable demands?

I feel Rugg has attacked one of the good guys unnecessarily under the guise of worker's rights.

I think the world can't be so neatly divided into bad guys and good guys. People can have good views on some things and bad views on others. And someone can have all the right views but still carry out bad actions.

If the truth came out about every MP , it would be a lot worse than this imo.
Frank Zumbo, Andrew Lamming, Linda Reynolds treated their staff a lot worse..

This is whataboutism. Bad behaviour by other politicians doesn't excuse Ryan's bad practices.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Now Andrew Bragg and the Coalition are pressing for fraud charges against Ryan for offering 5 weeks pay if Rugg resigned.
Thanks Sally Rugg. This will be in the courts for months now and gives the coal lobby in the liberal party a chance to attack Ryan's reputation.
I can see other posters points but imo this is reall crap and naive stuff from Rugg.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Rugg, Ryan wanted to settle ‘unreasonable hours’ case

Sally Rugg and MP Monique Ryan may yet reach a settlement separate from the Commonwealth, an option that could avert a trial.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Baltimore Jack]

This is more of a reflection of how mediocre the compensation can be in wrongful termination. I think you can get like 8 weeks. It’s genuinely nothing.

Going back to work is the higher compensation. It is unworkable but it allows a better compensation to be negotiated.

Back in the day, I was wrongfully terminated, I got a shiit load more than 8 weeks, it was more like 18 months

 

[Gralin]

Now Andrew Bragg and the Coalition are pressing for fraud charges against Ryan for offering 5 weeks pay if Rugg resigned.
Thanks Sally Rugg. This will be in the courts for months now and gives the coal lobby in the liberal party a chance to attack Ryan's reputation.
I can see other posters points but imo this is reall crap and naive stuff from Rugg.

see now you're arguing that someone fired shouldn't contest the situation if you like their boss

again

anti worker

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

see now you're arguing that someone fired shouldn't contest the situation if you like their boss

again

anti worker

Can you stop saying anti-worker to me every post?
Rugg could of got her compo without all the nasty irrelevent undermining comments . Now Ryan is getting attacked by the Coalition.
I think you have solidarity with Rugg because you are Labor and Rugg headed the Labor 'Get Up' for years.
Tell me what Labor are doing for the worker at the moment? Nothing. Do nothing Albo.
It sounds like you know or have met Rugg before to me.

 

[Gralin]

Can you stop saying anti-worker to me every post?

stopping posting anti work bs and I will

Rugg could of got her compo without all the nasty irrelevent undermining comments . Now Ryan is getting attacked by the Coalition.

boo ****ing hoo, that's politics you'll get attacked by anyone and everyone

I think you have solidarity with Rugg because you are Labor and Rugg headed the Labor 'Get Up' for years.

you clearly don't read my posts in the Albo thread if you think I'm Labor

Tell me what Labor are doing for the worker at the moment? Nothing. Do nothing Albo.

nothing, which might be why the federal government was also named in the court proceedings

 

[Kwality]

Worried about your tax dollars?

abuse of taxpayer dollars.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

stopping posting anti work bs and I will

boo ******* hoo, that's politics you'll get attacked by anyone and everyone

you clearly don't read my posts in the Albo thread if you think I'm Labor

nothing, which might be why the federal government was also named in the court proceedings

I'm looking at the bigger picture which ultimately may mean Ryan losing her seat to a Liberal and the independants and Greens don't have a chance to hold the balance of power after the next election.

 

[Kwality]

Back in the day, I was wrongfully terminated, I got a shiit load more than 8 weeks, it was more like 18 months

the public purse ?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

(this is not real, it's a parody)

 

[Gralin]

I'm looking at the bigger picture which ultimately may mean Ryan losing her seat to a Liberal and the independants and Greens don't have a chance to hold the balance of power after the next election.

This is what cheerleaders do, they rationalize behavior they would attack in the opposition because of the big picture

in this case the big picture is keeping certain people in/out regardless of the cost

 

[Baltimore Jack]

the public purse ?

Good Lawyer

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

This is what cheerleaders do, they rationalize behavior they would attack in the opposition because of the big picture

in this case the big picture is keeping certain people in/out regardless of the cost

Ok, Rugg has to live with what she is doing. Maybe she should be fighting for the rights of the working poor if she is so principled.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Ok, Rugg has to live with what she is doing. Maybe she should be fighting for the rights of the working poor if she is so principled.

She had a podcast for Australian Unions about workers' rights. Her credentials are good.

 

[fs88]

Essentially it's about another public servant grifter (Rugg), who has never worked at a private company in her life and has never earnt 6 figures in her life and is clearly hanging on to dear life as she will probably never see it again.

I don't think Ryan has achieved what she has by working strict 9-5 hours. A colleague of mine at work was working stup!d hours and eventually resigned but was offered a substantial pay rise and the hiring of a grad underneath her to reduce the workload because of how important she was to the company.

If Rugg had any dignity she would just resign and gtfo, but the fact that she still wants to sue her employer and still work for them is at Avi Yemini-levels of court wasting time abuse.

 

[Kwality]

Good Lawyer

Value for money - who paid.

 

[Not Important]

see now you're arguing that someone fired shouldn't contest the situation if you like their boss

again

anti worker

c'mon grales, u know he's not anti-worker. anti rugg maybe.

 

[Not Important]

the comments by the brief who seemingly left the rugg matter are intriguing. i read them as saying she’s either a difficult client. or her case is not strong.

“I take difficult briefs and do what I can with them,” Aleksov said in response to questions about his exit from the case.

 

[Gralin]

c'mon grales, u know he's not anti-worker. anti rugg maybe.

Supporting an anti worker position doesn't make someone anti worker?

do tell me more

 

[Kwality]

Ok, Rugg has to live with what she is doing. Maybe she should be fighting for the rights of the working poor if she is so principled.

Principled ?

 

[sataris]

Ryan is a neurologist so I'll back her everday of the week.

Being an expert at one thing does not make you an expert at another thing.

She may be a brilliant surgeon / neurologist, that doesn't mean she'll be a brilliant politician.

I'm currently on a plane, Do I want a neurologist on the flight deck? **** no.