News Sam Hayes signs for North Melbourne VFL

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JimmyBC said:
Yea I made that comment before I heard they were both out it does seem a missed opportunity, my only guess is they rate Ladhams' tank over Sam at the moment.
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JimmyBC said:
Yea I made that comment before I heard they were both out it does seem a missed opportunity, my only guess is they rate Ladhams' tank over Sam at the moment.
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we may not win a centre clearance, if pete rucks as normal then the ball won’t hit the ground until it’s in our backline.
 
Just my opinion and opinions are like assholes being that everyone has one but I think that Ladhams has sublime skills for a Ruckman. He makes quick decisions and tends to read the play and find the footy often in general play. Granted his tap work needs to lift but if he can break even in general tap work then I see him as almost another midfielder around the ground.
 
melanChronic said:
With young rucks you are best keeping them on the boil until they are pretty much ready to explode.
You want them coming in hardened, angry and with a point to prove, because a timid ruckman is toast and can singlehandedly lose you the game.

Hayes is definitely on the boil, and I reckon if he can bang down the door in the next four weeks he will be al dente.
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If he is boiled too long, he will be gummy, limp, lose his shape and can’t be saved.
 
I will leave this to the selection committee and they likely have it right.

I agree there have been times where selections made challenge common sense, maybe they are too close at times, but they would know Ladhams and Hayes relative strengths better than us. And I’d it don’t work, we have 2020 hindsight.
 
Shaucob_Burjan said:
All I could think was that Hayes would've eaten Sweet alive and provide the silver service to our mids.

I mean 0-7 in the stoppage to start the game that basically only happens with Ladhams as a league ruck.
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To pin the start only on Ladhams is criminal as this Port Adelaide midfield have shown time and time again that they can get blown away for long periods in games, to me it has to be structure.
Just this year prior to tonight there have been two occasions where the game has been near over at quarter time, West Coast and Brisbane away.
Round 1 against North Melbourne they started much better than Port so did St Kilda a few weeks back.
Go back to last year's Preliminary Final and the midfield was comprehensively beaten in the last quarter when it mattered most.
Then there was Brisbane game last year I think when we were targeted Lachie Neale pre match, again game over within a quarter.....see a pattern forming?
You could go back to other games and further years to see this occur time and time again when our Number 1 ruckman has played.
 

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Igavemyloveachicken said:
To pin the start only on Ladhams is criminal as this Port Adelaide midfield have shown time and time again that they can get blown away for long periods in games, to me it has to be structure.
Just this year prior to tonight there have been two occasions where the game has been near over at quarter time, West Coast and Brisbane away.
Round 1 against North Melbourne they started much better than Port so did St Kilda a few weeks back.
Go back to last year's Preliminary Final and the midfield was comprehensively beaten in the last quarter when it mattered most.
Then there was Brisbane game last year I think when we were targeted Lachie Neale pre match, again game over within a quarter.....see a pattern forming?
You could go back to other games and further years to see this occur time and time again when our Number 1 ruckman has played.
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As mentioned else where just now, Ladhams wasn’t bad in the Ruck tonight, but he was the cause of 0-7. He just can’t hit to advantage, he competes well as you need from a second Ruck, but our mids are Roving to either a losing Ruckman or a Nil-Nil contest. We are always chasing and reacting, rather than taking off to point A or B with confidence the ball will get there.
 
RangaInTeal said:
As mentioned else where just now, Ladhams wasn’t bad in the Ruck tonight, but he was the cause of 0-7. He just can’t hit to advantage, he competes well as you need from a second Ruck, but our mids are Roving to either a losing Ruckman or a Nil-Nil contest. We are always chasing and reacting, rather than taking off to point A or B with confidence the ball will get there.
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So if the midfield rove to 7 Nil-Nil contests then you'd hope that they'd have the collective ability to win some of those 7 contents where there was no advantage or disadvantage to contend with.
To get beaten in all 7 would indicate a structure issue. I'm hopeless at loading links but Ollie Wines post game interview on the Port Adelaide website stated that structure was the issue in the first quarter.
In the second quarter that was rectified dramatically....ideally at 0-2, 0-3 in centre clearances the players rectify the structure issue themselves.
 
Igavemyloveachicken said:
To pin the start only on Ladhams is criminal as this Port Adelaide midfield have shown time and time again that they can get blown away for long periods in games, to me it has to be structure.
Just this year prior to tonight there have been two occasions where the game has been near over at quarter time, West Coast and Brisbane away.
Round 1 against North Melbourne they started much better than Port so did St Kilda a few weeks back.
Go back to last year's Preliminary Final and the midfield was comprehensively beaten in the last quarter when it mattered most.
Then there was Brisbane game last year I think when we were targeted Lachie Neale pre match, again game over within a quarter.....see a pattern forming?
You could go back to other games and further years to see this occur time and time again when our Number 1 ruckman has played.
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I agree.

There was a boundary throw in with 16.27 to go in the first quarter Ladhams grabs the ball from the shortish throw in on doggies HFF and as he was about to kick Sweet tackles him, ball bobbles up Libber grabs it in the air and gets the clearance and Darcy says that's 5 clearances to zip to the Bulldogs and the score was 1.0 v 0.0.

At 16.03 the ball goes out of bounds virtually straight on the other flank after we rebounded Libber's kick, another poor throw in, Ladhams and Sweet are holding each other neither touch the ball, it hits ground and bounces to Treloar who scops it up, gets the 0-6 clearance, runs and kicks it to Johannisen out wide of him, he runs on to it and looks like he will burn off Hartlett, but Hammer nails him in a tackle.

So for all their dominance in clearces it was 0-6 and then I remember it got out to 2-7 before below happened, it didn't hurt us on the scoreboard.

8 minutes of play left in the first quarter it was 1.0 v 1.1.

They got a couple of quick centre clearances after that.

* Charlie is in ruck after McNeil kicks their 2nd goal. Nice tap into space for SPP to run onto it, but just gets beaten to it by Bailey Smith and ends up a stoppage by the wing line of the square.

1.40 of game time later Weightman kicks a goal on the run for doggies 3rd.

* At the next centre bounce down Ladhams looses tap, Smith gets his kick smothered by SPP, goes 10m DBJ picks up and is too slow, is tackled as goes to kick, misses the ball, Libber picks it up and ball ends up with Naughton hold free on Jonas deep in pocket, but he kicks it out on the full.

Weightman marks and goals with 4.33 left and doggies have 4 goals.

*At next centre bounce Ladhams gets a tap down, Boak picks it up, snap on his left foot, goes about 15m, SPP running onto the ball falls over near CHF line of the square, Treloar picks up the ball, goes wide to outer wing, Smith eventually gets ball in a 2 on 2, and kicks it 25m back to Alex Keath who takes his time and starts a chain of kicks inside our forward 50, a switch of play sees a kick up the member swing Johannisen beats Hartlett to ball, sprints off and does a nice kick to Naughton who marks and goals 35m out and clock says 3.11 to go after umpire signals a goal.

So when Bulldogs put on 4 goals in less than 5 minutes of game time. Ladhams had virtually nothing to do with it. He was having a rest, then when back on, he wasn't the one who misses his kick, he wasn't the one who falls over.

So give him a kick up the arse for missing that chest mark running towards goal at 15 minutes to go mark, but when the doggies piled on 4 goals in a short period, he wasn't the problem. Then in the second quarter he was important to us turning it around. He had 8 kicks and 9 hitouts, a clearance, 2 inside 50's and played bloody well.

I want to see Hayes get a game, but this Ladhams was hopeless and cost us the game talk is just rubbish.
 
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Igavemyloveachicken said:
To pin the start only on Ladhams is criminal as this Port Adelaide midfield have shown time and time again that they can get blown away for long periods in games, to me it has to be structure.
Just this year prior to tonight there have been two occasions where the game has been near over at quarter time, West Coast and Brisbane away.
Round 1 against North Melbourne they started much better than Port so did St Kilda a few weeks back.
Go back to last year's Preliminary Final and the midfield was comprehensively beaten in the last quarter when it mattered most.
Then there was Brisbane game last year I think when we were targeted Lachie Neale pre match, again game over within a quarter.....see a pattern forming?
You could go back to other games and further years to see this occur time and time again when our Number 1 ruckman has played.
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I lost count of the number times we had first hands on a ground ball, faffed around with it with other Port players then the Bulldogs' mids picked it up and waltzed off with it.

That wasn't Ladhams doing. He was one of the reasons we came back into the game in the second when he went into giant midfielder mode.

No doubt he made mistakes, but at least he was involved in the game, unlike a few teammates.
 
Igavemyloveachicken said:
To pin the start only on Ladhams is criminal as this Port Adelaide midfield have shown time and time again that they can get blown away for long periods in games, to me it has to be structure.
Just this year prior to tonight there have been two occasions where the game has been near over at quarter time, West Coast and Brisbane away.
Round 1 against North Melbourne they started much better than Port so did St Kilda a few weeks back.
Go back to last year's Preliminary Final and the midfield was comprehensively beaten in the last quarter when it mattered most.
Then there was Brisbane game last year I think when we were targeted Lachie Neale pre match, again game over within a quarter.....see a pattern forming?
You could go back to other games and further years to see this occur time and time again when our Number 1 ruckman has played.
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A number of front runners in our team, particularly senior players who have been letting us down for a long long time. Hence why we keep seeing the same shit.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
I lost count of the number times we had first hands on a ground ball, faffed around with it with other Port players then the Bulldogs' mids picked it up and waltzed off with it.

That wasn't Ladhams doing. He was one of the reasons we came back into the game in the second when he went into giant midfielder mode.

No doubt he made mistakes, but at least he was involved in the game, unlike a few teammates.
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Yeah we have too many dumb see ball get ball even if it stuffs up my teammates hold on it at stoppages, playing thru the middle.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
I agree.

There was a boundary throw in with 16.27 to go in the first quarter Ladhams grabs the ball from the shortish throw in on doggies HFF and as he was about to kick Sweet tackles him, ball bobbles up Libber grabs it in the air and gets the clearance and Darcy says that's 5 clearances to zip to the Bulldogs and the score was 1.0 v 0.0.

At 16.03 the ball goes out of bounds virtually straight on the other flank after we rebounded Libber's kick, another poor throw in, Ladhams and Sweet are holding each other neither touch the ball, it hits ground and bounces to Treloar who scops it up, gets the 0-6 clearance, runs and kicks it to Johannisen out wide of him, he runs on to it and looks like he will burn off Hartlett, but Hammer nails him in a tackle.

So for all their dominance in clearces it was 0-6 and then I remember it got out to 2-7 before below happened, it didn't hurt us on the scoreboard.

8 minutes of play left in the first quarter it was 1.0 v 1.1.

They got a couple of quick centre clearances after that.

* Charlie is in ruck after McNeil kicks their 2nd goal. Nice tap into space for SPP to run onto it, but just gets beaten to it by Bailey Smith and ends up a stoppage by the wing line of the square.

1.40 of game time later Weightman kicks a goal on the run for doggies 3rd.

* At the next centre bounce down Ladhams looses tap, Smith gets his kick smothered by SPP, goes 10m DBJ picks up and is too slow, is tackled as goes to kick, misses the ball, Libber picks it up and ball ends up with Naughton hold free on Jonas deep in pocket, but he kicks it out on the full.

Weightman marks and goals with 4.33 left and doggies have 4 goals.

*At next centre bounce Ladhams gets a tap down, Boak picks it up, snap on his left foot, goes about 15m, SPP running onto the ball falls over near CHF line of the square, Treloar picks up the ball, goes wide to outer wing, Smith eventually gets ball in a 2 on 2, and kicks it 25m back to Alex Keath who takes his time and starts a chain of kicks inside our forward 50, a switch of play sees a kick up the member swing Johannisen beats Hartlett to ball, sprints off and does a nice kick to Naughton who marks and goals 35m out and clock says 3.11 to go after umpire signals a goal.

So when Bulldogs put on 4 goals in less than 5 minutes of game time. Ladhams had virtually nothing to do with it. He was having a rest, then when back on, he wasn't the one who misses his kick, he wasn't the one who falls over.

So give him a kick up the arse for missing that chest mark running towards goal at 15 minutes to go mark, but when the doggies piled on 4 goals in a short period, he wasn't the problem. Then in the second quarter he was important to us turning it around. He had 8 kicks and 9 hitouts, a clearance, 2 inside 50's and played bloody well.

I want to see Hayes get a game, but this Ladhams was hopeless and cost us the game talk is just rubbish.
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Good objective analysis. Fair points made.
 
VineValerian said:
Good objective analysis. Fair points made.
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From what I saw Travis was the only player on defensive side of the centre circle at the bounce and when he got sucked into the contest it left us exposed defensive side if they got the ball. Not his fault but collectively all at fault and exactly what I was worried about at the start of the game that we would set up like we would win the tap and the clearances and then we don't.
 
Hayes' birthday selection confirmed.

 

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