Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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[ElliottsMaggies]

With all due respect, I don't think the police would play silly word games when making official statements to the press following developments like this in high profile cases. I just don't see the police categorically ruling out a hit and run if this H-S report is accurate.

Yes, you could say that technically it isn't a hit and run given a certain set of circumstances, but to completely rule out a hit and run when he could have easily just said he couldn't comment on that aspect of the investigation, it's just a red herring and it doesn't serve anyone any purpose. They've charged a suspect, people are satisfied.

The police representative is in complete control of these press conferences. They answer the questions they can, they flatly refuse to answer the ones that they can't and the press respects those answers and non-answers.

It was ruled out. The police categorically said it wasn't a hit & run.

I was explaining what a hit & run is.

It's obvious he didn't leave Samantha's body there.

 

[BomberManU]

A link has been established between missing mother Samantha Murphy and her alleged killer.

The mother-of-three worked in the uniform shop of St Francis Xavier Primary School as a volunteer.
Her accused murderer, Patrick Orren Stephenson, attended the school as a child while Ms Murphy also worked there, 7Newsreports.

Police had previously stated that Ms Murphy and Mr Stephenson had never met despite living nearby.
Mr Stephenson is a similar age to Ms Murphy’s oldest child, daughter Jess

Massive stretch by Ch7 to call that a 'link'.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Daily Mail overselling Orren’s footballing achievements a little:



SMH say locals described Patrick as having been a ‘troubled teenager’. I guess that doesn’t surprise given the mess he’s in, but I do wonder how far it goes.

 

[nut]

I thought hit and run was ruled out?

A hit and pick up hasn’t been ruled out…
A Hit and run normally leaves a body at the scene …

If she was still alive in his car than it’s not a hit and run.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

A link has been established between missing mother Samantha Murphy and her alleged killer.

The mother-of-three worked in the uniform shop of St Francis Xavier Primary School as a volunteer.
Her accused murderer, Patrick Orren Stephenson, attended the school as a child while Ms Murphy also worked there, 7Newsreports.

Police had previously stated that Ms Murphy and Mr Stephenson had never met despite living nearby.
Mr Stephenson is a similar age to Ms Murphy’s oldest child, daughter Jess

That’s absurd. I highly doubt he knew she even worked there as a volunteer.

 

[Flash of power]

It was ruled out. The police categorically said it wasn't a hit & run.

I was explaining what a hit & run is.

It's obvious he didn't leave Samantha's body there.

You are right, the detective said it was a 'deliberate ATTACK'. this in my mind rules out any hit and run theory that might bring in shades of grey

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

A hit and pick up hasn’t been ruled out…
A Hit and run normally leaves a body at the scene …

If she was still alive in his car than it’s not a hit and run.

Correct. If it was a hit and run she would have found on the side of the road pretty quickly.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Daily Mail overselling Orren’s footballing achievements a little:

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SMH say locals described Patrick as having been a ‘troubled teenager’. I guess that doesn’t surprise given the mess he’s in, but I do wonder how far it goes.

Hehe.

Just a lazy 5th of Geelong's 6 picks in 2011. (Hamling, Kersten, Murdoch, McCarthy, Stephenson and Bews.)

And Hamling must've been in the early stages of the 2nd round.

Probably missed one.

 

[MiguelM]

I think it is clear this was not a hit and run, not a hit accidentally, the cops have been very clear this was no accident, and the murder charge supports that. ie: not dangerous driving, not manslaughter, has been CHARGED with MURDER. That says a lot, they have the evidence that they believe has a reasonable chance of proving it was murder. and was likely a premeditated act that ended in murder. Highly unusual without a body or confession. They definitely have a LOT of evidence. this is no drunken accident that resulted in getting rid of a body. IMO this is much more sinister. Time will tell.

^^In spades.

Key to the case now will be firstly finding the body. If no body found they will rely on forensic evidence possibly linked to the car. Detectives will be probably putting the girlfriend through the ringer too.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Daily Mail overselling Orren’s footballing achievements a little:

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SMH say locals described Patrick as having been a ‘troubled teenager’. I guess that doesn’t surprise given the mess he’s in, but I do wonder how far it goes.

Would be interesting to find out what constitutes a 'troubled teen'. Could also just be fairly common teenage behaviour.

 

[nut]

Where is the link to Police stating she wasn’t hit by a car?

 

[Drummond]

Daily Mail overselling Orren’s footballing achievements a little:

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SMH say locals described Patrick as having been a ‘troubled teenager’. I guess that doesn’t surprise given the mess he’s in, but I do wonder how far it goes.

They say troubled teenager yet provided absolutely no examples as to why this is. The media have no idea.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

A hit and pick up hasn’t been ruled out…
A Hit and run normally leaves a body at the scene …

If she was still alive in his car than it’s not a hit and run.

This is getting back to my point. If you want to get to the strict definition of hit and run, it's self-evident that's not what's happened because she still hasn't turned up, so I'm a bit confused as to why Shane Patton would have even bothered to rule it out if the H-S story is pretty close to the police's version of what's happened. Because a lot of people would take that answer to mean she wasn't accidentally hit by a car and he's followed up by saying the police will allege that it was a deliberate act, implying (to me at least) that a car was deliberately used as a weapon, or a car wasn't involved in causing Samantha Murphy's death at all.

Yes, maybe that inference is flawed. But it's the inference that a lot of people would draw from Shane Patton's statement and I don't quite see how he'd fail to realise he'd be muddying the waters by wording it like that, if it turns out she actually was severely injured or killed by being accidentally (albeit recklessly) hit by a car.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

That’s absurd. I highly doubt he knew she even worked there as a volunteer.

It's one step away from announcing that a link has been found: he's Patrick and she's Murphy.

How someone calling themselves a journalist could turn that in with a straight face... like my primary school aged kids know the people who work in the uniform shop... give me a break.

 

[nut]

This is getting back to my point. If you want to get to the strict definition of hit and run, it's self-evident that's not what's happened because she still hasn't turned up, so I'm a bit confused as to why Shane Patton would have even bothered to rule it out if the H-S story is pretty close to the police's version of what's happened. Because a lot of people would take that answer to mean she wasn't accidentally hit by a car and he's followed up by saying the police will allege that it was a deliberate act, implying (to me at least) that a car was deliberately used as a weapon, or a car wasn't involved in causing Samantha Murphy's death at all.

Yes, maybe that inference is flawed. But it's the inference that a lot of people would draw from Shane Patton's statement and I don't quite see how he'd fail to realise he'd be muddying the waters by wording it like that, if it turns out she actually was severely injured or killed by being accidentally (albeit recklessly) hit by a car.

I’ll go back to my point that she was wearing a watch that monitors heart rate… if the police have evidence that she was alive in his car, then the act that caused her death occurred after she was hit by a car!!! He could have taken her to hospital ..
It’ll be up to the defence to convince that he thought she was dead…
This is an ugly incident from some one, from reports, who was wasted on drugs and alcohol..

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

If they do have evidence Samantha was in the car wouldn’t they be able to track where she is?

Not if her watch/phone was destroyed/turned off soon after. Or no longer with her.

 

[nut]

If they do have evidence Samantha was in the car wouldn’t they be able to track where she is?

He may have destroyed it at some point ….

 

[nut]

Ok I’m not being difficult but still not understanding how they could monitor her heart rate and know she’s in a moving car but not where she is.

Let’s say he put her in the car … she is alive but unconscious, with bad injuries, he thinks she is dead. Watch still works,,, . He goes to dump her somewhere and realises she has the watch and phone on, he realises he could have been tracked… destroys phone and watch, then takes here to another location confident that she couldn’t be tracked!

 

[Anja_Nees]

They say troubled teenager yet provided absolutely no examples as to why this is. The media have no idea.

It’s vague but being fair, if it involved clashes with the law they might be deliberately refraining from saying more.

 

[webbo_83]

Bloody hell, this is like reading ******** where everyone is just searching for double meanings in everything the police say.

He's charged with murder - he hasn't accidentally hit her with his car and panicked.

 

[ep2018]

Bloody hell, this is like reading ********** where everyone is just searching for double meanings in everything the police say.

He's charged with murder - he hasn't accidentally hit her with his car and panicked.

I can see a murder charge if he hit her with his car accidentally and then chose to kill her instead of calling for help.

 

[rdhopkins2]

First and foremost our thoughts are with Samantha’s family and loved ones.

Have to feel sorry for the accused’s family though. What a terrible time for them too.
If guilty, the accused has brought great shame and embarrassment to his family.

 

[Kurve]

I can see a murder charge if he hit her with his car accidentally and then chose to kill her instead of calling for help.

Yeh but he isn't cooperating. So how would they know, unless they have a witness?

Or he's bragged about it. I'm not thinking it was an accident, it's not culpable driving it's murder. I think they know somehow if a vehicle is involved, he deliberately ran her over.

 

[mrskafoops]

Definitely looks to be different people.

Maybe this guy?? Father Patrick Stephenson. This article is 2 years old tho.

Xavier College under pressure to remove alleged abuser’s name from arts building

A former student at Xavier College is calling on the private school to remove the celebrated name of one of his alleged abusers from its performing arts centre.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Athena]

The experts on the A Current Affair Report theorised that the perp was either a highly sophisticated and meticulous psychopath killer or someone known to Samantha. The now accused appears to fit neither of those descriptions and the main theory on here is that he was on some kind of bender, accidentally hit Samantha with a car and then intentionally killed her subsequently. This is contrary to the "targeted attack" theory the experts were confident on and the previous wording in the presser over a week ago. What occurred is anyone's guess at the moment.

I'm shocked the accused appears to be a random 22 year old without ties to Samantha (I don't think the school uniform shop counts). Such a tragedy for Samantha's family and the community.