Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Zing13]

It’s a shame that police are giving us such little information. What evidence have they got on POS ? That he was in the area at the time, on drugs and made similar tracks to SM on Sunday morning ? Surely that have something more substantial like finding SM’s dna in his car ?

As hard as it is to sit here and theorise on what little we have to go on, there is zero requirement for the police to release any information to the public, especially if it may jeopardise an active investigation.

I would consider any information that is released had been done so in a tactful manner as to maximise the chances of finding SM and convicting her killer.

 

[Spectrix]

The phone is fine for data retrieval and yes they used her fitness apps that link back to whatever website for information. It was stated earlier in this case that after looking at her fitness tracking information etc they could see her travelling at particular, speed, pace and heart rate when there was a sudden change and it's believed that's when she was interfered with.

Link?

The above is how I suspected that police would have known that she was dead, but I don't recall it being stated.

 

[Spectrix]

As hard as it is to sit here and theorise on what little we have to go on, there is zero requirement for the police to release any information to the public

There is a Committal Hearing in August. The prosecution will present their evidence to a magistrate, the magistrate will then decide if the matter will continue to trial.
I'm not sure if reporters or public are allowed at a committal hearing but I suspect it will be a closed court.

 

[Terrafirma]

Link?

The above is how I suspected that police would have known that she

IT was discussed in this thread earlier here is an old story on it https://9now.nine.com.au/under-inve...pearance/1df3f4ea-9e37-4eaf-ab22-5501d32f5c9a

 

[Spectrix]

Link?

The above is how I suspected that police would have known that she was dead, but I don't recall it being stated.

IT was discussed in this thread earlier here is an old story on it https://9now.nine.com.au/under-inve...pearance/1df3f4ea-9e37-4eaf-ab22-5501d32f5c9a

"Former Australia Federal Police officer and professor of cybersecurity, Nigel Phair told Liz Hayes on Channel 9's series Under Investigation with Liz Hayes he believes an "anomaly" or "change in the behaviour" of Murphy's data pattern may have prompted authorities to return to the Mount Clear area last Friday."

Forgive me for being cynical. An ex-cop theorizing to Channel 9's Under Investigation is about as solid as my aforementioned theory.

 

[Terrafirma]

"Former Australia Federal Police officer and professor of cybersecurity, Nigel Phair told Liz Hayes on Channel 9's series Under Investigation with Liz Hayes he believes an "anomaly" or "change in the behaviour" of Murphy's data pattern may have prompted authorities to return to the Mount Clear area last Friday."

Forgive me for being cynical. An ex-cop theorizing to Channel 9's Under Investigation is about as solid as my aforementioned theory.

Read between the Lines Spectrix the Police have been using her digital breadcrumb trail too. You are being cynical BTW. The tracking of her watch and phone is in the public domain.


The tracked her watch too
thumbs_up said:
She went for a run and got as far as Mt Clear. This info is in the public domain.

 

[Malibuandcoke]

If you’re a runner, especially one in training, then Sunday is known as long run day. Sunday morning runners are up at the crack of dawn getting ready for a long run.

Has anyone seen the roundabout video? It allegedly shows S at 06.05 on the morning she didnt return home

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Interesting aside about how good our phones are…
My son was in a car accident recently, in the back seat of an Uber.
He said he was looking at YouTube videos when the car was run into, the Uber did a couple of 360s and the phone flew out of his hands.
When the car came to a standstill Siri said something like I think you have been in a car accident and I’m going to contact emergency services and then dialed 000 for him .

Thankfully nobody was hurt but I did think how amazing it was that his phone recognized what was happening.

Wow, sounds like I should enable Siri . Seriously, it was good nobody was hurt.

We can take the discovery of the phone at face value but the possibility of a “performance” is there. Didn’t POS hire a high-powered barrister soon after, or have I got my timeline mixed up?

 

[31550]

Wow, sounds like I should enable Siri . Seriously, it was good nobody was hurt.

We can take the discovery of the phone at face value but the possibility of a “performance” is there. Didn’t POS hire a high-powered barrister soon after, or have I got my timeline mixed up?

The sequence is not important IMO. POS was always going to have to engage a barrister at some stage. Guilty or innocent, he is entitled to the best defence he can afford, and he would be foolish not to engage the best he can afford. The earlier the better, but the more it will cost. It's not the job of the barrister to monitor or respond to police activity - he will speak with the defendant, and then review the evidence when it is presented. No point engaging the barrister back in March as the committal hearing isn't until August. But he needs to be ready by August, which is probably why he's been engaged now.

 

[Percel]

As hard as it is to sit here and theorise on what little we have to go on, there is zero requirement for the police to release any information to the public, especially if it may jeopardise an active investigation.

I would consider any information that is released had been done so in a tactful manner as to maximise the chances of finding SM and convicting her killer.

Agree, and with a court case pending, they shouldn't release any information ant all.

 

[jason_recliner]

"Former Australia Federal Police officer and professor of cybersecurity, Nigel Phair told Liz Hayes on Channel 9's series Under Investigation with Liz Hayes he believes an "anomaly" or "change in the behaviour" of Murphy's data pattern may have prompted authorities to return to the Mount Clear area last Friday."

Forgive me for being cynical. An ex-cop theorizing to Channel 9's Under Investigation is about as solid as my aforementioned theory.

The "ex-cop" is a cyber security professor.

 

[Terrafirma]

"Former Australia Federal Police officer and professor of cybersecurity, Nigel Phair told Liz Hayes on Channel 9's series Under Investigation with Liz Hayes he believes an "anomaly" or "change in the behaviour" of Murphy's data pattern may have prompted authorities to return to the Mount Clear area last Friday."

Forgive me for being cynical. An ex-cop theorizing to Channel 9's Under Investigation is about as solid as my aforementioned theory.

You obviously didn't read the article properly. You asked for a link then don't read it? Nigel Phair was simply reporting on what Police were doing.

Last Friday, Victoria Police revisited the Mount Clear area, prompted by intelligence extracted from Samantha Murphy's mobile phone data, in their ongoing investigation into her disappearance.
The digital data allowed detectives to ascertain that on February 4, Murphy departed her residence and ran approximately 7km through Woowookarung Regional Park, ultimately arriving at Mount Clear.
The significance of the 7km distance is crucial. What unfolded in this location to prompt the police to return?

 

[Terrafirma]

Wow, sounds like I should enable Siri . Seriously, it was good nobody was hurt.

We can take the discovery of the phone at face value but the possibility of a “performance” is there. Didn’t POS hire a high-powered barrister soon after, or have I got my timeline mixed up?

Yeah apparently hired Frank Galbally I believe.

 

[31550]

Yeah apparently hired Frank Galbally I believe.

Paul Galbally, not Frank.

 

[Terrafirma]

Paul Galbally, not Frank.

Oops my mistake didn't he represent Pell.?

 

[31550]

Oops my mistake didn't he represent Pell.?

Indeed he did.

 

[jason_recliner]

Didn’t POS hire a high-powered barrister soon after?

Yep. PoS is in a Pile oS!

 

[31550]

Yep. PoS is in a Pile oS!

Because he hired a barrister? Is every defendant who hires a barrister in a Pile oS? Don't understand your logic here.

If anything, hiring a high-profile barrister would indicate that he is preparing to defend charges against him to the best of his ability - quite the opposite of being in a Pile oS. If he was unable to hire a defence lawyer, or didn't bother, then he would be in a Pile oS. IMO.

 

[maggiethecat]

Wow, sounds like I should enable Siri . Seriously, it was good nobody was hurt.

We can take the discovery of the phone at face value but the possibility of a “performance” is there. Didn’t POS hire a high-powered barrister soon after, or have I got my timeline mixed up?

Thank you but I’m thinking if Siri can pick up on a car accident , can Siri pick up on an assault ?

 

[jason_recliner]

Because he hired a barrister?

Yep, certainly looks that way. Prior to the phone being found, tough guy doesn't need a lawyer. Phone found, within days he's on the phone - to his lawyer! Hahahahaha!!!

Highly unlikely to be a coincidence.

You think the police have nothing and PoS isn't a PoS and can fight this, but you're wrong. Sorry.

 

[Terrafirma]

Thank you but I’m thinking if Siri can pick up on a car accident , can Siri pick up on an assault ?

It's not Siri per se but an emergency feature most smart phones have, the AI compares data from your phone's accelerometer, GPS, and microphone with data from the test crashes. That lets it distinguish between a car crash and sudden movements like bumps or swerves.

 

[31550]

Yep, certainly looks that way. Prior to the phone being found, tough guy doesn't need a lawyer. Phone found, within days he's on the phone - to his lawyer! Hahahahaha!!!

Highly unlikely to be a coincidence.

You think the police have nothing and PoS isn't a PoS and can fight this, but you're wrong. Sorry.

Please don't tell me what I think. I don't think anything of the sort.
I don't know what the police have. And I don't know if POS can fight this.
But unlike you, I am not prepared to jump to outrageous conclusions by trying to connect two potentially completely unrelated pieces of information.
You have no idea exactly when POS engaged Galbally - it might have been weeks ago.
You are just going by what is reported in the media.
You have no idea whether he is a 'tough guy' or not. It is certainly not unusual for a defendant to be in contact with his lawyer. The guy has been charged with murder. Do you expect him just to sit in remand and do nothing?
Finding the phone, not finding the phone - will make no difference to how the defendant proceeds. He was always going to need a lawyer.
You are just putting one and one together and coming up with three.

 

[jason_recliner]

Please don't tell me what I think. I don't think anything of the sort.
I don't know what the police have. And I don't know if POS can fight this.
But unlike you, I am not prepared to jump to outrageous conclusions by trying to connect two potentially completely unrelated pieces of information.
You have no idea exactly when POS engaged Galbally - it might have been weeks ago.
You are just going by what is reported in the media.
You have no idea whether he is a 'tough guy' or not. It is certainly not unusual for a defendant to be in contact with his lawyer. The guy has been charged with murder. Do you expect him just to sit in remand and do nothing?
Finding the phone, not finding the phone - will make no difference to how the defendant proceeds. He was always going to need a lawyer.
You are just putting one and one together and coming up with three.

Everything you post is disparaging of the police and their efforts and in defence of PoS, so I drew my conclusions.

 

[31550]

Everything you post is disparaging of the police and their efforts and in defence of PoS, so I drew my conclusions.

Your conclusion is false and baseless.
I am not disparaging of anyone unless they give me a reason to be disparaging, which I will provide to support my view. (E.g yourself - you continually jump to nonsensical conclusions and present your opinion as fact).
I haven't defended PoS, other than to defend and respect his common law rights, e.g. presumption of innocence, which is actually a requirement of these forums.
I have great respect for police in general - there are some specific exclusions. I have greater respect for justice. Police who do not observe justice and the law don't have my respect.

 

[Spectrix]

after looking at her fitness tracking information etc they could see her travelling at particular, speed, pace and heart rate when there was a sudden change

Forgive me for being cynical. An ex-cop theorizing to Channel 9's Under Investigation is about as solid as my aforementioned theory.

You obviously didn't read the article properly. You asked for a link then don't read it?
The digital data allowed detectives to ascertain that on February 4, Murphy departed her residence and ran approximately 7km through Woowookarung Regional Park, ultimately arriving at Mount Clear.

I read the article. It mentions her position and the distance from her home.
I can't see anywhere that it states anything about her speed, pace or heartrate.

Like I said, the above data is how I suspected that police would have known that she was dead, but I don't recall it being stated anywhere.