Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Freak Dodgeball Accident]

I know that you wanted to kill the bikie chat, but I thought this was interesting.

I haven't lived in Ballarat for 2 years now, but I recalled there was also another bikie clubhouse (Vikings) on the same street as a scrap metal place I used to take left over scrap electrical cable.

Just a literal stones throw away from Eureka St which is where Samantha lived.



Then I already knew where the Banditos clubhouse was as we used to do work close by. Had a look where the Murphy panel beating business was, only a block or two away.



I'm not saying any of this is connected in any way, just a coincidence they're so close together seeing Ballarat is a huge place.

 

[Percel]

noticed on your map that there is 4 animal themed locations nearby as well…

This could mean anything in this case

 

[jason_recliner]

noticed on your map that there is 4 animal themed locations nearby as well…

This could mean anything in this case

The number of pony, equine, and pet supply enterprises within the immediate vicinity of gang headquarters is unlikely to be coincidental. Are the rising costs of fueling, running, maintaining and insuring motorbikes beginning to bite? Are we seeing a shift from motorised to hooved transport for organised crime in Australia? I certainly think so. At the risk of being labelled alarmist, there's a new wave of Outlaw Pony Gang (OPG)-related criminal activity terrorising regional Australia. You read it here first.

 

[maggiethecat]

The number of pony, equine, and pet supply enterprises within the immediate vicinity of gang headquarters is unlikely to be coincidental. Are the rising costs of fueling, running, maintaining and insuring motorbikes beginning to bite? Are we seeing a shift from motorised to hooved transport for organised crime in Australia? I certainly think so. At the risk of being labelled alarmist, there's a new wave of Outlaw Pony Gang (OPG)-related criminal activity terrorising regional Australia. You read it here first.

Yep , they sell the “good” chaff there but I didn’t tell you this

 

[Catch]

I know that you wanted to kill the bikie chat, but I thought this was interesting.

I haven't lived in Ballarat for 2 years now, but I recalled there was also another bikie clubhouse (Vikings) on the same street as a scrap metal place I used to take left over scrap electrical cable.

Just a literal stones throw away from Eureka St which is where Samantha lived.

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Then I already knew where the Banditos clubhouse was as we used to do work close by. Had a look where the Murphy panel beating business was, only a block or two away.

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I'm not saying any of this is connected in any way, just a coincidence they're so close together seeing Ballarat is a huge place.

How long have they been there ?

 

[Run n Spread]

I’m talking combined rate with a high ranking Barrister, once you add on all the sundries associated inc lawyer - you said that’s $700 per hour. I may’ve underestimated

It really is out of control. How the **** could anyone afford it?
Say you were innocently accused you'd go bankrupt and have no recourse.

 

[31550]

It really is out of control. How the **** could anyone afford it?
Say you were innocently accused you'd go bankrupt and have no recourse.

There is Legal Aid, but yes, the system is skewed in favour of the wealthy.

 

[Run n Spread]

There is Legal Aid, but yes, the system is skewed in favour of the wealthy.

Legal aid is means tested strictly. You're selling your house if you have one at a minimum.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

It really is out of control. How the **** could anyone afford it?
Say you were innocently accused you'd go bankrupt and have no recourse.

It would be interesting to know why costs can't be awarded in criminal proceedings if the defendant is found to be not guilty.
If POS is eventually found to be not guilty then I see no reason why he shouldn't be awarded costs, plus compensation for time in jail waiting for the outcome and a gov't apology as well.

 

[thumbs_up]

It would be interesting to know why costs can't be awarded in criminal proceedings if the defendant is found to be not guilty.
If POS is eventually found to be not guilty then I see no reason why he shouldn't be awarded costs, plus compensation for time in jail waiting for the outcome and a gov't apology as well.

I think that's because there's a difference between being found not guilty and proven innocent. I could be wrong but that's my take.

 

[Run n Spread]

It would be interesting to know why costs can't be awarded in criminal proceedings if the defendant is found to be not guilty.
If POS is eventually found to be not guilty then I see no reason why he shouldn't be awarded costs, plus compensation for time in jail waiting for the outcome and a gov't apology as well.

Police/state would sue for the costs back is my guess and have a Lehrman situation with two different findings.
I get what you are saying. Maybe legal aid should loosen and give them money.
Issue is the remand centre is a Max security prison and a lot of the time prisoners go to actual prisons. Bit they are yet to be convicted of anything.
I'm not saying get rid of remand but there has to be something done to make the access and delays fairer.

 

[31550]

Legal aid is means tested strictly. You're selling your house if you have one at a minimum.

There are other avenues to obtaining representation by a barrister than paying full whack oneself. E.g the Victorian Bar Pro Bono scheme. There are also barristers who will take on cases for mates rates. There are also barristers who will take on certain cases for personal reasons - maybe they believe in the defendant, or maybe they believe the case will improve their public profile. I am not suggesting any of the above necessarily applies to the SM case.

 

[31550]

It would be interesting to know why costs can't be awarded in criminal proceedings if the defendant is found to be not guilty.
If POS is eventually found to be not guilty then I see no reason why he shouldn't be awarded costs, plus compensation for time in jail waiting for the outcome and a gov't apology as well.

If a defendant believes they have been unjustly charged and prosecuted they may take civil action for malicious prosecution. But you can't sue police or courts for simply doing their job.

 

[gymjam]

Yellow is typically a level of traffic, normally moderate to heavy

Respectfully, I think it has something to do with the investigation. Like particular parts of roads that are of interest re routes (allegedly) traveled by POS. Some of the 'yellowing' involves routes to the phone location and the house-sitting location. If it was connected to level of traffic as you have suggested, street view would still be available.

I am aware that at times street view can be blocked by a particular resident on application to Google Earth, but the yellowing coupled with street view blocking is extensive and not all of moderate to heavy traffic areas are yellowed or blocked from street view.

 

[31550]

Respectfully, I think it has something to do with the investigation. Like particular parts of roads that are of interest re routes (allegedly) traveled by POS. Some of the 'yellowing' involves routes to the phone location and the house-sitting location. If it was connected to level of traffic as you have suggested, street view would still be available.

I am aware that at times street view can be blocked by a particular resident on application to Google Earth, but the yellowing coupled with street view blocking is extensive and not all of moderate to heavy traffic areas are yellowed or blocked from street view.

I haven't noticed any street view blocking in force for any of the key locations associated with the case?

 

[Percel]

Respectfully, I think it has something to do with the investigation. Like particular parts of roads that are of interest re routes (allegedly) traveled by POS. Some of the 'yellowing' involves routes to the phone location and the house-sitting location. If it was connected to level of traffic as you have suggested, street view would still be available.

I am aware that at times street view can be blocked by a particular resident on application to Google Earth, but the yellowing coupled with street view blocking is extensive and not all of moderate to heavy traffic areas are yellowed or blocked from street view.

So are you implying that LEA is managing parts of google earth for a sensitive investigation.

An application that is completely open source, and available to all persons?

 

[31550]

So are you implying that LEA is managing parts of google earth for a sensitive investigation.

An application that is completely open source, and available to all persons?

Certainly not any LEA. It's probably the Illuminati or the Knights Templar!

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I think that's because there's a difference between being found not guilty and proven innocent. I could be wrong but that's my take.

You can’t be found innocent, only not guilty according to the evidence presented which couldn’t prove your guilt. Then you are entitled to be presumed innocent.

 

[thumbs_up]

You can’t be found innocent, only not guilty according to the evidence presented which couldn’t prove your guilt. Then you are entitled to be presumed innocent.

My point was that being found not guilty does not prove innocence.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

My point was that being found not guilty does not prove innocence.

No that’s a separate issue but the person cleared by the court is entitled to a presumption of innocence as he was before the trial.

 

[thumbs_up]

No that’s a separate issue but the person cleared by the court is entitled to a presumption of innocence as he was before the trial.

Sure, but separate to my point.

 

[BFew]

Are the rising costs of fueling, running, maintaining and insuring motorbikes beginning to bite?

Hence much of the organised crime is shifting to cyber-crime.
But you already knew that.

 

[Lady O]

I wonder if investigators have considered that POS may actually not had motive, but was "enlisted" to kill SM due to a drug debt, intimidation, threats?

 

[thumbs_up]

I wonder if investigators have considered that POS may actually not had motive, but was "enlisted" to kill SM due to a drug debt, intimidation, threats?

That's still a motive.

 

[31550]

I wonder if investigators have considered that POS may actually not had motive, but was "enlisted" to kill SM due to a drug debt, intimidation, threats?

A charge of murder would usually expect to encompass an explanation of motive. If there's no motive, murder is hard to prove without a body.