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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Lady O]

That's still a motive.

Sure, but posters are trying to find a motive for HIM to want her dead and can't come up with anything. Maybe it was someone else who wanted her dead?

 

[Catch]

I wonder if investigators have considered that POS may actually not had motive, but was "enlisted" to kill SM due to a drug debt, intimidation, threats?

I am sure the police are keeping everything close to their chests. POS could even be talking to the police, but the police are telling the media he isn't co-operating, possibly to keep all leads hush

 

[Catch]

I am still not sure about her run at 7am ? It could have happened earlier. If this was premeditated, and she paired her watch locations with her phone locations, other people would have known her movements that morning, what track she was running on etc.. Maybe police are investigating more so they can see who she has shared her data and maps with

 

[Underarrest_]

I am still not sure about her run at 7am ? It could have happened earlier. If this was premeditated, and she paired her watch locations with her phone locations, other people would have known her movements that morning, what track she was running on etc.. Maybe police are investigating more so they can see who she has shared her data and maps with

What’s your thoughts on who SM would share her data/maps with?

 

[31550]

I am still not sure about her run at 7am ? It could have happened earlier. If this was premeditated, and she paired her watch locations with her phone locations, other people would have known her movements that morning, what track she was running on etc.. Maybe police are investigating more so they can see who she has shared her data and maps with

How could it have happened earlier when she was captured on camera with the dog poo bag? Are you suggesting this photo was faked?

 

[Catch]

How could it have happened earlier when she was captured on camera with the dog poo bag? Are you suggesting this photo was faked?

Possibly, she ran earlier, came home and then for what ever reason, went back out again

 

[Catch]

What’s your thoughts on who SM would share her data/maps with?

Whoever was interested and was following her

 

[Underarrest_]

Possibly, she ran earlier, came home and then for what ever reason, went back out again

So was going on a second run for some reason?

 

[Catch]

So was going on a second run for some reason?

Possibly, or something has happened at home for her to bother to go out again.

 

[Percel]

I wonder if investigators have considered that POS may actually not had motive, but was "enlisted" to kill SM due to a drug debt, intimidation, threats?

Where in gods name does all that tripe come from?

 

[Catch]

Where in gods name does all that tripe come from?

Another view on this

 

[Percel]

Sure, but posters are trying to find a motive for HIM to want her dead and can't come up with anything. Maybe it was someone else who wanted her dead?

How can you possibly find a motive when we don’t what the police have, this is not CSI, NCIS….

Idle minds….devils playgound

 

[Percel]

Another view on this

It’s not a view when it’s based on zero facts, evidence or any rexsembling valid information. It’s purely made up fantasy.

 

[Catch]

How can you possibly find a motive when we don’t what the police have, this is not CSI, NCIS….

Idle minds….devils playgound

If we wait until August, there would be nothing on here

 

[Catch]

It’s not a view when it’s based on zero facts, evidence or any rexsembling valid information. It’s purely made up fantasy.

How do you know ?

 

[shorsky]

Sure, but posters are trying to find a motive for HIM to want her dead and can't come up with anything. Maybe it was someone else who wanted her dead?

Just to understand your thoughts correctly Lady O:

# are you suggesting that maybe ‘someone’ wanted SM killed, and since POS had a drug debt to that ‘someone person’, POS was given the opportunity to clear that debt by killing SM ?

OR

# are you suggesting that SM had a drug debt to ‘someone’, and that ‘someone’ got sick of waiting, so hired POS to take her out ?

 

[Percel]

How do you know ?

Most of the discussion regarding this case has been based on what we do know, with quite valid discussion.

And then we have scuttlebutt and non sensical reasoning…

Provide some sort of facts (evidence/reasoned hypothesis) to back up;

1. debt,
2. intimidation,
3. threats?

Happy to stand corrected on all of the above

 

[Catch]

The police are keeping everything close to their chest, so we have not been told much
It will be interesting now, who she has shared her data and maps with.

 

[Underarrest_]

The police are keeping everything close to their chest, so we have not been told much
It will be interesting now, who she has shared her data and maps with.

I imagine that would only be people SM is close to/has a connection with.

 

[Lady O]

Just to understand your thoughts correctly Lady O:

# are you suggesting that maybe ‘someone’ wanted SM killed, and since POS had a drug debt to that ‘someone person’, POS was given the opportunity to clear that debt by killing SM ?

OR

# are you suggesting that SM had a drug debt to ‘someone’, and that ‘someone’ got sick of waiting, so hired POS to take her out ?

I suggesting the first one, but it would have to be someone being threatened by a third party, (either POS himself or someone close to him). It could explain why he doesn't seem to have any reason/motive to want SM dead.

 

[31550]

Possibly, she ran earlier, came home and then for what ever reason, went back out again

Not understanding. She went out early for a run, got herself killed, miraculously came back to life, got photographed with dog poo, then went out on a second run and got killed again?

If you are suggesting something happened earlier in the day, which then triggered an altercation with POS at 8am while on her run, then yeah, maybe but what? And why would it necessarily be an earlier run? Why go for a second run if you've already had one?

 

[Percel]

I suggesting the first one, but it would have to be someone being threatened by a third party, (either POS himself or someone close to him). It could explain why he doesn't seem to have any reason/motive to want SM dead.

We don’t know anything about why he allegedly killed her.

We need to accept that it’s alright not to know something, we’re not being judged.

 

[Catch]

Not understanding. She went out early for a run, got herself killed, miraculously came back to life, got photographed with dog poo, then went out on a second run and got killed again?

If you are suggesting something happened earlier in the day, which then triggered an altercation with POS at 8am while on her run, then yeah, maybe but what? And why would it necessarily be an earlier run? Why go for a second run if you've already had one?

She could have done her run earlier at 6am, she has then come home after that, but something has happened for her to go back out again, supposedly again. I believe this video has been sent to the police. If its true, it means her 7km run to Mt Clear at 7am took one hour, so possible she had done some walking, maybe, because of her previous run and then something happened to her around Mt Clear at 8am

 

[31550]

She could have done her run earlier at 6am, she has then come home after that, but something has happened for her to go back out again, supposedly again. I believe this video has been sent to the police. If its true, it means her 7km run to Mt Clear at 7am took one hour, so possible she had done some walking, maybe, because of her previous run and then something happened to her around Mt Clear at 8am

Where is this coming from? What video?

 

[Catch]

Where is this coming from? What video?

There was a video released by someone, with all the extra info the police are receiving, whether there is further truth to this, we will have to wait and see. It certainly makes things interesting