Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

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Last 5

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10.5

3star

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6.4

3star

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4.1

3star

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3.3

3star

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1.8

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220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

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5.5

2star

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3.5

2star

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1.0

1star

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2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

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6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

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1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[geoffjennings79]

They said 500 left to go through. As it's radio it's generally more local and more up to date than the tv. Either way they have been sifting through a lot.

The TV reporter was on the ground in Ballarat, whole story was exclusively on-site reporter, think I heard her on 600pm radio bulletin, so suspect it's the same team on both.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Husband in crisis

 

[geoffjennings79]

They could make that cctv open source and the public could volunteer their time watching it imo. That's a lot of hours to get through.

They could put safeguards in and there would probably be enough of the willing, it could be checked twice to be sure.

Would an untrained eye put the same context on something a trained eye would? I get throwing numbers at it, but experienced investigators have skills, and sometimes skill-informed hunches and intuition.

 

[FTY1]

Husband a person of interest it now seems?

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/police-search-new-area-for-clues-in-samantha-murphy-disappearance/news-story/1732d04e62062b2133033ea34c4b767c

I think that was news. com.au sensationalism. With the same information from the presser abc don't mention the husband is a suspect.

Samantha Murphy most likely dead, police say, as phone clue leads to new search

Investigators say they believe "more parties" are involved in the Ballarat mother's disappearance and "everyone" in her life is a person of interest as the search focuses on bushland south of Ballarat.

www.abc.net.au

It was anyone in her life is a suspect. They take that to mean Mick.

"Detective Acting Superintendent Mark Hatt from Crime Command said this morning that police did not believe her husband Mick was a suspect, but were speaking to "everyone that was in her life".

"Everyone in relation to Samantha is a person of interest, family, friends, work colleagues and everyone," he said."

 

[FR0GGY]

Husband in crisis

What?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Husband in crisis

Where is that reported?

 

[Pamcake1]

The TV reporter was on the ground in Ballarat, whole story was exclusively on-site reporter, think I heard her on 600pm radio bulletin, so suspect it's the same team on both.

No doubt same reporter, the ABC does still have some rural reporters. What I meant was radio is reported every hour tv news not as often and the audience is slightly different.

 

[Pamcake1]

They could make that cctv open source and the public could volunteer their time watching it imo. That's a lot of hours to get through.

They could put safeguards in and there would probably be enough of the willing, it could be checked twice to be sure.

I think they use AI filters to do a first run through and narrow down accordingly.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Where is that reported?

No reports
Purely my guess

 

[Gavin Excell]

The cops response to the question about whether he was a suspect spoked volumes

 

[shorsky]

What family members do we know of?

Husband and daughter is all I’ve seen so far.

We know she has a sister & parents in their 80’s; and we know about her Uncle & Aunt Robson who I presume are getting up in age - do they have any children, or adult grandchildren even.

There is a Kelly Murphy who is receptionist at the panel beating business - which one would think is from Mick’s side of the family. Does he have siblings ? We haven‘t heard from them, although I recall someone posting somewhere about them being a decent family.

and of course ‘ family members’ extends ….

In the back of my mind though is the story of a DVD by someone On someone - some information on that would be handy, even if only to say it’s just another scurrilous rumour.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I think they use AI filters to do a first run through and narrow down accordingly.

Be interesting to know how the AI is trained (I'm sure it's a constant evolution) as human instinct would be a part of analysis.

 

[Pamcake1]

They could make that cctv open source and the public could volunteer their time watching it imo. That's a lot of hours to get through.

They could put safeguards in and there would probably be enough of the willing, it could be checked twice to be sure.

Would an untrained eye put the same context on something a trained eye would? I get throwing numbers at it, but experienced investigators have skills, and sometimes skill-informed hunches and intuition.

I've had a bit of training by an expert in CCTV (tracking)....most domestic systems with a computer attached have AI attached but most don't know how to set it up or use it. Vic Pol would have a filtering system using AI and narrow it down and only when it has been through several systems would a person then be viewing it. When I say person I mean Police technician. It was facinating the training I got who was the best tech of a large CCTV firm...on the spectrum and brilliant with what he could do...he showed me so many tricks, how to read body language, how to lay down electronic trip wires etc. Facinating stuff actually.

 

[Pamcake1]

Be interesting to know how the AI is trained (I'm sure it's a constant evolution) as human instinct would be a part of analysis.

Basic Systems can distinguish between cars and people. Facial recognition play a part in sophisticated systems.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I've had a bit of training by an expert in CCTV (tracking)....most domestic systems with a computer attached have AI attached but most don't know how to set it up or use it. Vic Pol would have a filtering system using AI and narrow it down and only when it has been through several systems would a person then be viewing it. When I say person I mean Police technician. It was facinating the training I got who was the best tech of a large CCTV firm...on the spectrum and brilliant with what he could do...he showed me so many tricks, how to read body language, how to lay down electronic trip wires etc. Facinating stuff actually.

Assume they use negative testing to train AI as well? I.e. deliberate misdirection examples as false positives?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I think AP's head would explode if it turned out to be the husband.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Basic Systems can distinguish between cars and people. Facial recognition play a part in sophisticated systems.

I was thinking more if there's a large subset of human activity identified, how sensitive is AI to differentiating, for example, between a runner/walker moving in an expected manner versus furtive/suspicious activity? Or maybe I'm getting too far ahead of current capabilities?!

 

[geoffjennings79]

I think AP's head would explode if it turned out to be the husband.

Tbh, having met him a few times, and maybe wanting to see the good in people (while knowing people are impulsively or pre-meditatively possible of doing evil things), I'd be surprised too (but probably not shocked if that makes sense?).

The husband I mean... not AP!

 

[Pamcake1]

Assume they use negative testing to train AI as well? I.e. deliberate misdirection examples as false positives?

I guess so but as my brother says CCTV only shows that a crime has been committed after the fact.
AI can wade through the mountain of CCTV on basics...Does it move? How Fast? In what direction? How Big? How small? Is it white? Is it red? Did it stop and start? etc. Once the mountain gets whittled down it get more refined.
And if necersary it's gone through again and again. I know this was the case in a case innthe UK when they didn't get it right the first or second time...sorry can't remember which case it was.

 

[Kurve]

I think they use AI filters to do a first run through and narrow down accordingly.

Yeh I forgot, AI is changing everything.

 

[Awakening]

I’m reminded of the early days of the Delphi case when police were appealing to the man in the video captured on Libby’s phone, to come forward. Of course he never did.

If someone has been spotted on cctv or dash cam in the vicinity of Samantha and they don’t come forward then I’m guessing they become prime suspect.

 

[Pamcake1]

I was thinking more if there's a large subset of human activity identified, how sensitive is AI to differentiating, for example, between a runner/walker moving in an expected manner versus furtive/suspicious activity? Or maybe I'm getting too far ahead of current capabilities?!

Watch what the UK Police /Security can do for football hooligans, tracking them in big crowds using facial recgonition etc. I am sure it can be really refined and is in some cases however we are talking about wading through a mass of ordinary (probably) motion sensored domestic and businesses, dash cam etc. The furtiveness etc would be being read by humans once it was located by AI in this case. So all the cctv in Ballarat on that Sunday between 5am to 1pm say. You don't just look at the time you think, you extend the parameters on either side of the expected time. etc.

 

[Barrybran]

I read the comment about friends and family as noone directly involved (ie. husband didn't do it) but that police were keeping an open mind (ie. someone might have known where she'd be).

 

[Athena]

Tbh, having met him a few times, and maybe wanting to see the good in people (while knowing people are impulsively or pre-meditatively possible of doing evil things), I'd be surprised too (but probably not shocked if that makes sense?).

The husband I mean... not AP!

Given it's being presented by the police as a targeted attack, the husband is most likely to have the strongest motive. We've seen this in so many cases. Perhaps he is innocent but it wouldn't be surprising at all from an objective standpoint. IF he is behind it - pure speculation - it was most likely a professional hit job which would explain the initial lack of evidence perhaps.

The police is hardly going to admit in a presser that he's a suspect so the response was a vague "the family has been so helpful" followed by a "he's not a suspect...at this stage" when pressed for a direct answer.

However, the Daily Fail is completely misreporting that the police said he's a suspect! A "person of interest" and all the family and friends being questioned is not the same as being a suspect. FFS. The reporting has been horrendous. Sensationalism is one thing but the misreporting has been on another level.

 

[croweater 41]

Well if you've played a long game, pre-planned for years, had an alias and other family (spouse #2 with kids) in another town, 2 x remote-ish jobs working largely online...

I'm just spit-balling of course...

What can’t you help with?