Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[faible]

I was having a street view look at some of the roads. It's not out of the question that she was somewhere like Recreation Road and someone has hit her with sun in their eyes. It looks like a pretty isolated area. Locals might have a better take on this but more than once have I nearly hit a kangaroo or emu on a remote road due to sun.

Most people run on the opposite side of the road so they can see oncoming traffic for stuff like this, gives you the chance to move away if they’re in a bad spot.

Of course, sometimes you get twats in a Ford Ranger who swerve towards you because they’re morons.

 

[Kurve]

Panic and drive away. Not stop, get someone to help pick up and dispose of the body. I don't think this was an accident.

Not too panicked either to presumably 'handle' her phone and do some cleaning up around the scene. If she was run over and killed, one or both shoes would tend to come off, sometimes they fly through the air and not in the same direction.

 

[Lady O]

Most people run on the opposite side of the road so they can see oncoming traffic for stuff like this, gives you the chance to move away if they’re in a bad spot.

Of course, sometimes you get twats in a Ford Ranger who swerve towards you because they’re morons.

I was thinking they were narrow tracks (one car wide), if so, it wouldn't really matter which side you were on.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Not too panicked either to presumably 'handle' her phone and do some cleaning up around the scene. If she was run over and killed, one or both shoes would tend to come off, sometimes they fly through the air and not in the same direction.

I was meaning 'panic' as in not react the way in which most reasonable, logical people would, or people who have the benefit of hindsight...ie, if someone hits someone with their car, we'd all like to think most people would stop, assist and call police & an ambulance. But we know not everyone reacts exactly the same in all situations. Particularly when they may be in a state of shock. How people react when in a state of shock would also vary for different people.

And without knowing if it was an accident or intentional, that would also affect how someone might act. Were they intoxicated? Were they with someone else who took over the situation? Who knows?

We're all guessing here aren't we? ..and throwing up different scenarios based on the info police are providing... because none of us know what happened.

 

[FrankGrimes]

Add a comma, and the context makes sense:

The police are obviously not telling us everything, as they should.

I reckon you’ve gone way off the deep end here about someone who hasn’t quite got the precise format of their wording correct but who’s broader posting suggests your interpretation isn’t accurate.

Yep missed a comma,,,,,,,, my
Bad!

 

[Irma]

Yep missed a comma,,,,,,,, my
Bad!

We should celebrate all your newly acquired commas.

Let’s eat FrankGrimes!!

 

[Tony Harrison]

Missed hitting the spacebar in his username too.

 

[MiguelM]

IDK, if she was hit on the road you would think soemone would have passed the scene and there would be some evidence left behind.

Whilst someone might panic initially, it is a big leap to then cover up, dispose of body etc. Most reasonable people would call 000 in that situation IMO.

Not impossible of course.

 

[Tony Harrison]

IDK, if she was hit on the road you would think soemone would have passed the scene and there would be some evidence left behind.

Whilst someone might panic initially, it is a big leap to then cover up, dispose of body etc. Most reasonable people would call 000 in that situation IMO.

Not impossible of course.

Yeh, you'd think dogs would sniff some blood somewhere at the very least.

 

[Kurve]

IDK, if she was hit on the road you would think soemone would have passed the scene and there would be some evidence left behind.

Whilst someone might panic initially, it is a big leap to then cover up, dispose of body etc. Most reasonable people would call 000 in that situation IMO.

Not impossible of course.

Yep I'm tending to think if she was hit by a car and there was a panic, the first reaction might be to simply get out of there. Not move in to an elaborate cover up and stay quiet through all the publicity.

 

[FrankGrimes]

Missed hitting the spacebar in his username too.

Funny enough at the time Frank Grimes was taken!

 

[Tony Harrison]

Funny enough at the time Frank Grimes was taken!

Are you the one from the Simpsons or was he?

 

[Awakening]

I think they know who did it and they just need some more evidence to stick him/them.

Agreed. They are close. Could be days, weeks or months but they will get their ducks in a row for a watertight case.

Assuming theres more than one, then the smarter one will hand themselves in. Any crim knows the first to crack gets the best deal.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I had the impression she was running on bush tracks but if there were cars it sounds like roads . Dirt roads or paved?

 

[nut]

Realised he organised a hit that killed an innocent woman and felt guilty.

Next series of Fargo

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Realised he organised a hit that killed an innocent woman and felt guilty.

A bikie hitman who wanted his wife murdered 'feels guilt'? That doesn't sound plausible

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

IDK, if she was hit on the road you would think soemone would have passed the scene and there would be some evidence left behind.

Whilst someone might panic initially, it is a big leap to then cover up, dispose of body etc. Most reasonable people would call 000 in that situation IMO.

Not impossible of course.

What if another person was in the car? They may have taken over the situation.

As for 'someone else must have passed the scene & there would be evidence'... as far as we've been told by the police/media, apparently no one has seen Samantha since that photo of her leaving for her run & there has not been any evidence of anything found anywhere..

You would think someone would have had to have seen her at some point on her run too, but apparently not ..

Yet the police are back out searching an area they already searched & are concentrating on smaller items. And have asked people to call if they remember seeing any damaged cars or property. So they must think they've missed something out there.

 

[MauroFogheri]

Yet the police are back out searching an area they already searched

Was that a search or a "search"?

 

[Percel]

Was that a search or a "search"?

Looking for anything to add to the working hypothesis

inference and premises to inform the evidentiary brief to follow

 

[Kurve]

Looking for anything to add to the working hypothesis

inference and premises to inform the evidentiary brief to follow

What do you think happened? Percel ?

 

[Percel]

What do you think happened? Percel

I could be way off base, but I think they have someone from cctv, and are playing a slow game.


The no body situation says family/friend or known. They’ll wait them out while on the collect.

why? I got nothing…

 

[yodellinhank]

Yet the police are back out searching an area they already searched & are concentrating on smaller items. And have asked people to call if they remember seeing any damaged cars or property. So they must think they've missed something out there.

Or they're drawing attention to the search area, pressure the perpetrator?

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Or they're drawing attention to the search area, pressure the perpetrator?

Perhaps. I guess most of what they are revealing publicly is for that reason..

 

[nut]

a hit and run I reckon.

Maybe someone under the influence driving too Fast…
They hit her. Stop and realise they’ve killed her. Panic… put her in the boot and drive off. Probably smashed her phone first etc…
I’m guessing police have now pinged phones in the same place as her last phone pinged.
Now looking for pieces of a car or something …

 

[31550]

I don't think it's a random 'hit and run' as there would be little chance of useful forensic evidence to identify the perpetrator left at the scene. They need to find something physical placing both Smantha and the suspect at the scene. If police have a specific suspect, then they would have already examined their vehicle(s) for forensic evidence.

I think it's more likely an altercation or intervention. The perpetrator has deliberately intercepted Samantha on her run and then transferred her to a vehicle. Police have used phone/GPS data to narrow down a location where both Samantha and a suspect are known to have been at around 8am. They may have used cloud data from her previous runs, and assumed she took the same route. She possibly regularly ran to Mt Clear and back, and maybe this was her stopping / turnaround point.

This may have been a planned attack - someone who also frequented this location and had seen her - or someone who knew her and followed her, or lay in waiting for her at her regular stopping place?

There are a number of possible motives which don't implicate Samantha in anything sinister or wrong. She may have come across a stolen car ring through the family business, for instance, and was killed because she 'knew too much'?

As for the 'damaged vehicle' reference - perhaps police theorise it was necessary to drive the car off the road for some way in moving the body, and this may have caused damage? Or maybe it's just a fishing exercise?