Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[croweater 41]

Has the red thing the cop was pictured holding been identified yet?

Yep.

Was tree sap.

 

[31550]

However in these cases the truth is often more fanciful then the speculation.

I don't know how you can say that.
'Cases like these?' - we know very little about this case to be able to generalise.

In most cases of disappearance, the actual truth turns out to be quite plain and simple, once it is known. Occams Razor.

 

[Zidane98]

I feel something will happen this week.


The coppers probably have someone in the Mt Clear location at the same time as SM, they just need to build a case against them.

 

[jason_recliner]

Yep.

Was tree sap.

My guess was nearest to the mark

 

[Zidane98]

There's an under investigation episode screening 9pm Wed night about SM.


Surely the coppers have authorised it and massaged it so it puts more pressure on who they believe is the perp(s).

 

[Nicho50]

There's an under investigation episode screening 9pm Wed night about SM.


Surely the coppers have authorised it and massaged it so it puts more pressure on who they believe is the perp(s).

They did that with the camping case recently which got the perp talking to himself after it on listening devices.

 

[Zidane98]

They did that with the camping case recently which got the perp talking to himself after it on listening devices.

You read my mind! Info will be drip fed to trigger a reaction from the perp.

 

[nut]

Shhhhhhh … they could be reading this thread

 

[Pamcake1]

I thought the Detective said they had no suspects at this stage but everyone including family was a person of interest at this stage.Family are cooperating. Has there been something released since then?

No nothing released since Friday and you are not quoting the exact words that were said in the police press conference btw. The wording has been discussed in the thread as to what exactly it means, so read back if you have queries or listen to the press conference first hand the link is back in the thread.

 

[FTY1]

VICPOL carefully gave very limited information at their Press Conference and it has been interpreted different ways by media outlets and people on Social Media.

The only thing we know for sure was that it was likely she got to Mount Clear on foot about an hour after she left home and that is all they confirmed. Not likely to be a medical episode. (possibly an App)

The Detective in charge did well to say nothing an make people think he did.

The husband isn't a suspect at this point but everyone in her life is being questioned and could be a suspect. (This is standard with most cases)

The rest of the comments answered were pretty obvious standard investigation.

Of course they are checking the business, finances etc. TBH it is none of the public's business (same as anyone else's finances)

The failure to answer something or provide a comment doesn't confirm deny or make suspicious anything with relation to what has been said.

 

[Iwonder]

No nothing released since Friday and you are not quoting the exact words that were said in the police press conference btw. The wording has been discussed in the thread as to what exactly it means, so read back if you have queries or listen to the press conference first hand the link is back in the thread.

Ok thanks, found the quote,
Re quote “At this stage he is not (a suspect). Everyone in relation to Samantha is a person of interest. In our investigation we are speaking to everyone that was in her life.”

 

[KurtNeverDied]

I thought the Detective said they had no suspects at this stage but everyone including family was a person of interest at this stage.Family are cooperating. Has there been something released since then?

I'm sure they pretty much know what's happened and who has done it. Not everything they say is fact. It is all carefully worded. Both giving an update and a sense of security to whoever has done it.

 

[Iwonder]

I'm sure they pretty much know what's happened and who has done it. Not everything they say is fact. It is all carefully worded. Both giving an update and a sense of security to whoever has done it.

I’m sure they’re onto it too. They’re carefully wording to not give anything away in the hope that person lets their guard down.

 

[Iwonder]

I never said anything I said was fact. Everyone to do with her is a person of interest, including her husband or ex husband, whatever you want to believe.
Have a go at me all you want but was just sharing things I've read or heard that may or may not be made up. My opinions as well as clearly stated.
The % of women killed by someone close is huge so not talking about family would be skirting the issue.

I wasn’t having a go at you. I was saying that everyone known to Samantha is a person of interest re quote by the Detective, which means no one has been ruled out. I agree the first person they will be working to eliminate or have proof of is the husband (not saying it’s him) but because he was the last person to see her before she went for a run and because of the statistics you’ve mentioned which sadly are increasing each year.

 

[Kurve]

There's an under investigation episode screening 9pm Wed night about SM.


Surely the coppers have authorised it and massaged it so it puts more pressure on who they believe is the perp(s).

I remember the Under Investigation program on Russell and Carrol's disappearance at Wonangatta. The cops already had a bead on the alleged doer, Greg Lynn.

 

[CodyRose]

If she was accosted or abducted, she may not have been physically injured at the scene to leave any blood traces - she may have been coerced or physically forced into a vehicle then driven elsewhere. If there was a weapon involved and/or more than one offender this would have been quite easily done.

More than one IMO -increases the chance someone might tell? Reward time?

 

[nut]

I remember the Under Investigation program on Russell and Carrol's disappearance at Wonangatta. The cops already had a bead on the alleged doer, Greg Lynn.

I also think they knew where the bodies were. But they wanted Lynn to tell them where they were to strengthen the case against him.

 

[Kurve]

Shhhhhhh … they could be reading this thread

Still might be a real interesting watch ....

 

[Irma]

More than one IMO -increases the chance someone might tell? Reward time?

Ordinarily that could work, unless there IS a link to Bikie gangs or any sort of Organised Crime syndicate, in which case I don’t think any reward would be big enough. Might have to come with witness protection, ID changes and relocation for extended family and plenty of tattoo-removal/cover-up vouchers!

 

[Lockyer24]

My amateur theory would be that a drug impacted driver, returning from a Saturday night type rave event (eg event in Melb finishing around 5am Sun morning) hits Samantha either at in intersection between road and track, or they were actually using the track to drive home and avoid police testing. The main hole in this seems to be they haven’t found where she was hit or any traces of blood etc. But they do seem to be going down the collision angle, with the motive hit and run + remove body.

 

[Awakening]

This comment from the police is nagging at me.

“Superintendent Hatt claimed the 7km run to where her phone went dead took the experienced runner more than an hour - about half-an-hour longer than it should have.”

7km is the longest I would ever run. 5km was my standard. Need to get back into it!

Anyway, I was a slow runner and 7km was my absolute maximum (only did it a handful of times) and it took me 45 minutes.

Even if she was recovering from covid and doing a walk run combo she shouldn’t have taken that long.

It’s actually difficult to slow down your natural pace. You have a natural rhythm you fall into.

So between her home and where the phone went dead, did she stop to talk to someone?

Did she actually meet someone when she entered the forest and slowed her pace to match theirs?

Hatt says she took “more than an hour”. So I assume less than an hour and half or he would have said that. So I will assume it’s around 75 minutes to do 7km.

That’s 11 minutes splits on average. If she was doing a walk/run it would be faster than that, maybe 8 minute splits.

This is not someone running, this is someone walking at a brisk pace.

Makes me wonder if something happened to her soon after she entered the forest and the offender then walked that remaining distance before turning the phone off?

 

[Zidane98]

My amateur theory would be that a drug impacted driver, returning from a Saturday night type rave event (eg event in Melb finishing around 5am Sun morning) hits Samantha either at in intersection between road and track, or they were actually using the track to drive home and avoid police testing. The main hole in this seems to be they haven’t found where she was hit or any traces of blood etc. But they do seem to be going down the collision angle, with the motive hit and run + remove body.

Races were on at Redline Raceway Mt Buninyong nearby the night before. Her friend mentioned this in an interview and appealed for anyone that went to come forward if they notice anything.

 

[Zidane98]

This comment from the police is nagging at me.

“Superintendent Hatt claimed the 7km run to where her phone went dead took the experienced runner more than an hour - about half-an-hour longer than it should have.”

7km is the longest I would ever run. 5km was my standard. Need to get back into it!

Anyway, I was a slow runner and 7km was my absolute maximum (only did it a handful of times) and it took me 45 minutes.

Even if she was recovering from covid and doing a walk run combo she shouldn’t have taken that long.

It’s actually difficult to slow down your natural pace. You have a natural rhythm you fall into.

So between her home and where the phone went dead, did she stop to talk to someone?

Did she actually meet someone when she entered the forest and slowed her pace to match theirs?

Hatt says she took “more than an hour”. So I assume less than an hour and half or he would have said that. So I will assume it’s around 75 minutes to do 7km.

That’s 11 minutes splits on average. If she was doing a walk/run it would be faster than that, maybe 8 minute splits.

This is not someone running, this is someone walking at a brisk pace.

Makes me wonder if something happened to her soon after she entered the forest and the offender then walked that remaining distance before turning the phone off?

Does this mean the 5pm ping off Mt Buninyong tower never actually happened?

 

[31550]

Does this mean the 5pm ping off Mt Buninyong tower never actually happened?

Good pick-up.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Does this mean the 5pm ping off Mt Buninyong tower never actually happened?

Do smart watches ping towers? I know they use internet. Do they need to be connected to a charged phone for this to happen?

Not an Apple Watch guy