Analysis Scott Selwood Debate

[Eaglemaniac]

It is easy to be critical of sewood. I found it very easy. He hesitates and often kicks backwoods, and he misses some sitters in front of goal.
BUT, on reflection, after seeing Crotchin destroy a top class midfield unit ( a few times) was Selwood who dominated Crotchin last week? Is he that good a tagger or did Crotchin just have a bad night?

I think someone posted earlier in the thread that Selwood didn't really do anything to restrict Cotchin, he still had a fair amount of possessions, but I think as a team we put so much pressure on the ball carrier they couldn't do much with it so it limited Richmonds capacity to be damaging.

 

[Goosecat]

Just like actual visual evidence right?

Depends on how you edit it.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Selwood didn't tag anybody last week, Cotchin just played one of his shit games. Which was still twice as good as Selwoods performance.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Still don't get how it is possible to be debating whether a guy can play after 8 years in the system. Still he doesn't have a spot he can call his own in the side and he is no better than the day he arrived at the club. Just older and stronger.
Selwood is our Shane Watson for some reason, keeps getting picked while performing poorly, has not improved over a huge amount of time. Like Watson he simply must have something over someone, there is no logical explanation otherwise.

 

[squashface]

Still don't get how it is possible to be debating whether a guy can play after 8 years in the system.

you must not be familiar with the Priddis thread


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[Eaglemaniac]

Depends on how you edit it.

Not sure any amount of editing could get Selwood to hit targets from Friday nights game..

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

If Selwood left us for Geelong, who's spot would he take to get into their side ? I suspect he wouldn't get a game there...just like he shouldn't be walking straight into our side without WAFL form to justify his selection.

 

[3socks]

Not sure any amount of editing could get Selwood to hit targets from Friday nights game..

 

[Marlin01]

I don't really like extended mockery of one of our own players but that's very good.

 

[DickDunn]

It is easy to be critical of sewood.

Fun too.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Haha gold

 

[Johnno22]

You can never get away from the big corporate advertising.

 

[Winky]

Or this:


One shocker by itself is not a huge issue, as long as he is contributing positively to the game. But when it becomes multiple shockers then questions need to be asked about why he is in the team.

This is the right approach here. Selwood's ability or lack thereof is a complaex issue. The bottom line is he is different from his brothers and always will be. When he first started he had good disposal skills but couldn't protect himself. He then came into the side on a regular basis and became a competent defensive player. He then improved to be an effective mid in his own right. Following the teams lack of confidence and drop in form he also lost confidence and this was exacerbated by injury. He has jusr returned from injury to fing the team is playing well. He has been OK bet has shown some skill errors. At the moment there are a few players who deserve the spot more than him but his performance in the past mean that he should be given a reasonable chance to merge in with the "new" team. I have no problem with that and should he make the required improvement, with his experience and toughness, he would be invaluable for finals should we make them. I trust the coaches call in this instance and agree with them. It's not all about the now but also in the planning. If he continues to show lack of skills or composure then by all means, drop him for someone else..but he deserves a reasonable chance given his background.

 

[Farang83150]

He's been a good soldier for us for a while now but looks like the times come and I hope at end of season he can find a good home, would be wrapped if he got picked up by the cats, GWS or Suns.

 

[The Dodger]

It is easy to be critical of sewood. I found it very easy. He hesitates and often kicks backwoods, and he misses some sitters in front of goal.
BUT, on reflection, after seeing Crotchin destroy a top class midfield unit ( a few times) was Selwood who dominated Crotchin last week? Is he that good a tagger or did Crotchin just have a bad night?

I don't think he spent a lot of time on him. After all of the discussion about whether or not a video can be used to show a very small lapse in concentration or not I don't feel that bad about him.

We are carrying him for sure but he is coming from a long way back injury wise and Team setup wise as most of the time he has missed is under Simpsons coaching. We also carried NN last year when he was a wet bag of cement to our team, no doubt the 3 ruck experiment exacerbated it but we did it.

I would prefer he had a longer run in the WAFL to get more confidence in his body as IMO that is why he didn't like changing direction once he committed on Martin. Perhaps his ankle is still giving him grief. I don't know but we are carrying him and fingers are crossed he can get back to 2011 defensive play as that is his main attribute IMO.

In saying the above, it still wouldn't be the end of the Earth if we didn't match another offer. It feels as though its up to him to be a part of the midfield as its grown and developed without him so he needs to show what he can do. Ask not of what the midfield can do for you but of what you can do for the midfield.

 

[domo]

What I don't understand through all this slaying of Scooter is if he doesn't fit or work in our midfield; how then does Priddis?
I'd take selwood any day in "priddis' role" if we have to have a "priddis' role"

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

What I don't understand through all this slaying of Scooter is if he doesn't fit or work in our midfield; how then does Priddis?
I'd take selwood any day in "priddis' role" if we have to have a "priddis' role"

If Selwood took Priddis's role then all you would see when Scooter got the ball would be turn over after turn over and him just coffing the ball up to the opposition like he's playing for them and not us.

 

[kaiserchief13]

What I don't understand through all this slaying of Scooter is if he doesn't fit or work in our midfield; how then does Priddis?
I'd take selwood any day in "priddis' role" if we have to have a "priddis' role"

Selwood can't do the Priddis role as he isn't as good inside.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

No offence but the team shouldn't be carrying anyone. Guys should be finding form in the WAFL and then being brought into the team. Competition for spots is what brings the best out of teams.

 

[The Dodger]

No offence but the team shouldn't be carrying anyone. Guys should be finding form in the WAFL and then being brought into the team. Competition for spots is what brings the best out of teams.

Definitely. Its just that we have carried people in the past in a similar situation so its no surprise. I would prefer that he being playing in the WAFL as well.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Or this:


One shocker by itself is not a huge issue, as long as he is contributing positively to the game. But when it becomes multiple shockers then questions need to be asked about why he is in the team.

This screams out one of two things to me.
I can't decide which one.

1. He thought he was Stevie J, Wingard, Gary, Pendlebury, P.Matera 1 or 2...
2. He was scared to straighten up and go on his right because Ellis and Hunt are man raping physco murdering mad campaigners.

 

[Bacchus]

I don't think he spent a lot of time on him. After all of the discussion about whether or not a video can be used to show a very small lapse in concentration or not I don't feel that bad about him.

We are carrying him for sure but he is coming from a long way back injury wise and Team setup wise as most of the time he has missed is under Simpsons coaching. We also carried NN last year when he was a wet bag of cement to our team, no doubt the 3 ruck experiment exacerbated it but we did it.

I would prefer he had a longer run in the WAFL to get more confidence in his body as IMO that is why he didn't like changing direction once he committed on Martin. Perhaps his ankle is still giving him grief. I don't know but we are carrying him and fingers are crossed he can get back to 2011 defensive play as that is his main attribute IMO.

In saying the above, it still wouldn't be the end of the Earth if we didn't match another offer. It feels as though its up to him to be a part of the midfield as its grown and developed without him so he needs to show what he can do. Ask not of what the midfield can do for you but of what you can do for the midfield.

Disagree with the Nic Nat comparison. From what I saw NN was the No.1 ruckman and always contributed, unlike Selwood. Three ruck disaster was due to Cox' reluctance to retire, and wanting to hold onto Lycett, not NN's poor play. NN is always a strong contributor and sometimes a match winner. I'm finding it hard to see that Selwood is a net positive contributor to the team, unless he can turn it around I wouldn't be sorry to see him go, lots of players have gone past him.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Disagree with the Nic Nat comparison. From what I saw NN was the No.1 ruckman and always contributed, unlike Selwood. Three ruck disaster was due to Cox' reluctance to retire, and wanting to hold onto Lycett, not NN's poor play. NN is always a strong contributor and sometimes a match winner. I'm finding it hard to see that Selwood is a net positive contributor to the team, unless he can turn it around I wouldn't be sorry to see him go, lots of players have gone past him.

Agreed.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Disagree with the Nic Nat comparison. From what I saw NN was the No.1 ruckman and always contributed, unlike Selwood. Three ruck disaster was due to Cox' reluctance to retire, and wanting to hold onto Lycett, not NN's poor play. NN is always a strong contributor and sometimes a match winner. I'm finding it hard to see that Selwood is a net positive contributor to the team, unless he can turn it around I wouldn't be sorry to see him go, lots of players have gone past him.

Nope. Just plain incorrect. NN was the one being carried, was unfit and having no impact but he was considered integral for team success in the longer term. Your short memory doesn't change that.

They are doing the same with Selwood as he is considered the same. What's best for the team longer term and will assist in finals may be short term pain. NN got the same criticism last year if you can remember that far - Dropkicks like yourself calling for him to be relegated.

There will be another player next season that will get their own thread regarding trade and relegation.... WCE supporters love doing that.

 

[Bacchus]

Nope. Just plain incorrect. NN was the one being carried, was unfit and having no impact but he was considered integral for team success in the longer term. Your short memory doesn't change that.

They are doing the same with Selwood as he is considered the same. What's best for the team longer term and will assist in finals may be short term pain. NN got the same criticism last year if you can remember that far - Dropkicks like yourself calling for him to be relegated.

There will be another player next season that will get their own thread regarding trade and relegation.... WCE supporters love doing that.

Point 1 - Yes, there will always be scape- goat players. As supporters we watch the game and look at how the team could perform better - there are always under performing players e.g I would much rather Sheed was in the team than Selwood, I would prefer Duggan to Selwood also, even Hutchings

Point 2 - I was not calling for NN's relegation last year

Point 3 - I am not convinced Selwood has the skill that NN has. He is a shocking kick and lacks game awareness - the 'stop and drop' tactic is painful to see.