SEASON 2024

[Nvent]

So if Wandin can, why can’t others? You say timing like it was a fluke?
They worked hard and recruited well, timing is a bit insulting really.

As I said it fluctuates. Without knowing all players that have come through the junior ranks of each club. Who knows maybe MtEv will get a heap of ex junior guns back next season, and they are ready to make a huge impact or maybe Upwey. The new coach at Officer might be what gets all their group back.

 

[Squib]

As I said it fluctuates. Without knowing all players that have come through the junior ranks of each club. Who knows maybe MtEv will get a heap of ex junior guns back next season, and they are ready to make a huge impact or maybe Upwey. The new coach at Officer might be what gets all their group back.

What you said was “ a premiership was beyond most clubs”.

 

[Nvent]

What you said was “ a premiership was beyond most clubs”.

That’s correct.

 

[Glorfindel]

Doesn’t scream “even comp”.
Only two (Healesville & Olinda) that had come up from the bottom div in the decade prior to their flag.

 

[Squib]

That’s correct.

But why is it beyond any club?? That mentality is what holds clubs back.
Everyone has the ability to recruit and develop their own.
If clubs spent less time pissing and moaning about others and the Leagues issues, and more on their own shortfalls, they might find themselves in a much better position sooner rather than later. The big challenge is for the clubs with no affiliated juniors, outside of that it’s how clubs handle their own shit on and off the field that determines their ultimate success or lack of.

 

[Nvent]

But why is it beyond any club?? That mentality is what holds clubs back.
Everyone has the ability to recruit and develop their own.
If clubs spent less time pissing and moaning about others and the Leagues issues, and more on their own shortfalls, they might find themselves in a much better position sooner rather than later. The big challenge is for the clubs with no affiliated juniors, outside of that it’s how clubs handle their own shit on and off the field that determines their ultimate success or lack of.

If only in reality it was that simple.

 

[Billy Blogs]

If only in reality it was that simple.

You have to get off the field right first, then it will fall into place on

 

[Nvent]

You have to get off the field right first, then it will fall into place on

Again not that simple.

 

[Squib]

Doesn’t scream “even comp”.
Only two (Healesville & Olinda) that had come up from the bottom div in the decade prior to their flag.

Doesn’t scream “even comp”.
Only two (Healesville & Olinda) that had come up from the bottom div in the decade prior to their flag.
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Not sure what you’re suggesting or implying?

If only in reality it was that simple.

You sound like an excuse maker.
Explain to me how it’s not that simple?
You make statements and then offer no reasoning or solution. Try not to use population or salary cap.

 

[Nvent]

You sound like an excuse maker.
Explain to me how it’s not that simple?
You make statements and then offer no reasoning or solution. Try not to use population or salary cap.

Location obviously plays a huge part in it. Some clubs just don't have access to the pool of juniors to begin with no matter how good a program they run. Then depending on the surrounding clubs lose players as a result.
You say salary cap like it's not an issue, but it is for a variety of reasons. To be honest a lot of clubs would struggle to afford the cap, others finding players to fill the cap. You then have others who ignore it.

 

[Squib]

Location obviously plays a huge part in it. Some clubs just don't have access to the pool of juniors to begin with no matter how good a program they run. Then depending on the surrounding clubs lose players as a result.
You say salary cap like it's not an issue, but it is for a variety of reasons. To be honest a lot of clubs would struggle to afford the cap, others finding players to fill the cap. You then have others who ignore it.

I think you’re confusing simple with easy. I stated the juniors was an issue. But clubs all across the country have overcome this.
Salary cap, if you can’t afford it, again that’s an internal problem, not league or any other club. Your club has the ability to raise revenue like every other. All clubs face this, successful ones overcome it. It’s just an excuse. I’ve been to towns with no juniors and a population far less than any town in this comp, yet they have a very successful football club. If any of your points were huge factors, Healesville would’ve been unbeatable for decades.

 

[Nvent]

I think you’re confusing simple with easy. I stated the juniors was an issue. But clubs all across the country have overcome this.
Salary cap, if you can’t afford it, again that’s an internal problem, not league or any other club. Your club has the ability to raise revenue like every other. All clubs face this, successful ones overcome it. It’s just an excuse. I’ve been to towns with no juniors and a population far less than any town in this comp, yet they have a very successful football club. If any of your points were huge factors, Healesville would’ve been unbeatable for decades.

Do you know the model that these clubs follow? Is it just as straight forward as being well organized and a great culture. I've seen the worst run clubs win flags. I've also been to small towns that have great teams yet most from the town has a clue who they are. They run no juniors and basically just live year to year. Are those sorts of club better run than the one down the road with all junior teams a great junior program a diligent and competent committee?

Again you say all clubs have access to raise revenue equally. It's simply not true and really shows you are not in touch with the reality most clubs face.

The best club no matter how well they run are also at the hands of player movement.

 

[Squib]

Do you know the model that these clubs follow? Is it just as straight forward as being well organized and a great culture. I've seen the worst run clubs win flags. I've also been to small towns that have great teams yet most from the town has a clue who they are. They run no juniors and basically just live year to year. Are those sorts of club better run than the one down the road with all junior teams a great junior program a diligent and competent committee?

Again you say all clubs have access to raise revenue equally. It's simply not true and really shows you are not in touch with the reality most clubs face.

The best club no matter how well they run are also at the hands of player movement.

How do clubs differ in their ability to raise revenue? Sounds like an excuse Other than hosting finals, what else?

What works for one club will not work for another, clubs need to find what works for them in order for them to be successful.
All clubs are at the mercy of player movement, what’s your point? That is definitely an excuse not a reason.
If living from year to year works for a particular club, then so be it. You don’t have to agree or like it, that’s for them. Even the term “well run” is hugely debatable, it’s just what works for that individual club.
If poorly run clubs are winning flags, are the well run clubs doing something wrong? Well run includes recruiting and developing players. Excuse.
What would you like to see done so clubs are more even?

 

[Nvent]

How do clubs differ in their ability to raise revenue? Sounds like an excuse Other than hosting finals, what else?

What works for one club will not work for another, clubs need to find what works for them in order for them to be successful.
All clubs are at the mercy of player movement, what’s your point? That is definitely an excuse not a reason.
If living from year to year works for a particular club, then so be it. You don’t have to agree or like it, that’s for them. Even the term “well run” is hugely debatable, it’s just what works for that individual club.
If poorly run clubs are winning flags, are the well run clubs doing something wrong? Well run includes recruiting and developing players. Excuse.
What would you like to see done so clubs are more even?

Why use developing players and recruiting in the same sentence it doesn't go hand in glove.

Again if you think all clubs have equal access to revenue raising you are not in touch with reality of all clubs.

You are the one suggesting a club that isn't winning flags are run poorly which is simply not true.

 

[Squib]

Why use developing players and recruiting in the same sentence it doesn't go hand in glove.

Again if you think all clubs have equal access to revenue raising you are not in touch with reality of all clubs.

You are the one suggesting a club that isn't winning flags are run poorly which is simply not true.

Development and recruitment is part of running a club.
At the end of the day, it’s about winning flags. It’s why they are celebrated so enormously. Those that aren’t, are missing something, whatever that may be.
You suggested it was beyond some clubs after the merger and I disagreed. You’ve made no points in my opinion to suggest some clubs have a better chance than others. If a club is not prepared to do what the premier is doing, what ever that may be from year to year and team to team, then you can’t complain when your time never arrives. Just my opinion and you’re entitled to yours.
I’ll ask again? What would you like to see or done to even things out?

 

[Nvent]

Development and recruitment is part of running a club.
At the end of the day, it’s about winning flags. It’s why they are celebrated so enormously. Those that aren’t, are missing something, whatever that may be.
You suggested it was beyond some clubs after the merger and I disagreed. You’ve made no points in my opinion to suggest some clubs have a better chance than others. If a club is not prepared to do what the premier is doing, what ever that may be from year to year and team to team, then you can’t complain when your time never arrives. Just my opinion and you’re entitled to yours.
I’ll ask again? What would you like to see or done to even things out?

Again reality doesn’t agree with your post.

 

[Squib]

Again reality doesn’t agree with your post.

Ok mate. Keep running with why you can’t or won’t. I’ll stick with you can and should.
I know which typically gets results.

 

[Tommyk27]

At the end of the day, it’s about winning flags. It’s why they are celebrated so enormously. Those that aren’t, are missing something, whatever that may be.

You make some good points but I disagree slightly. Winning a flag should be the goal of every club but I don’t think it’s their sole purpose. I would put providing a safe and healthy outlet for the community as the top priority.

I’ve been to towns with no juniors and a population far less than any town in this comp, yet they have a very successful football club.

Which towns are the best examples of this? Powelly has to be up there. No major population centres nearby, most players would drive past 10 other clubs that would love to have them as well.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Winning a flag should be the goal of every club but I don’t think it’s their sole purpose. I would put providing a safe and healthy outlet for the community as the top priority.

Spot on. A place for the community to get together, do a bit of exercise and socialise.

On top of that, playing other towns (especially in country areas) allows people to network with others in their region about work, etc.

 

[Squib]

You make some good points but I disagree slightly. Winning a flag should be the goal of every club but I don’t think it’s their sole purpose. I would put providing a safe and healthy outlet for the community as the top priority.

Which towns are the best examples of this? Powelly has to be up there. No major population centres nearby, most players would drive past 10 other clubs that would love to have them as well.

Bonnie Doon is the nearest example. Recently premiers.

 

[Tommyk27]

Bonnie Doon is the nearest example. Recently premiers.

3 times the population of powelly plus I’m guessing some players might have holiday homes there ?
Mansfield has 5000 people and a major league club, no other district league clubs as close? I wonder if any locals from swanpool and tatong were inclined to migrate to to BD?
I’ll still give Powelly the points

 

[Wild Thing]

3 times the population of powelly plus I’m guessing some players might have holiday homes there ?
Mansfield has 5000 people and a major league club, no other district league clubs as close? I wonder if any locals from swanpool and tatong were inclined to migrate to to BD?
I’ll still give Powelly the points

Osborne in the Hume League have some sort of record for an outpost. Population under 50 yet check how many flags they have won in the last 30 years. Unbelievable record!

 

[Tommyk27]

Osborne in the Hume League have some sort of record for an outpost. Population under 50 yet check how many flags they have won in the last 30 years. Unbelievable record!

Wow! 16 flags and 8 runners up in 33 years. That would have to be one of the best records of any club any size. Population according to Wikipedia is 29. What is their secret?

 

[ManInWhite]

Only 3 teams in the division??

 

[Nvent]

You make some good points but I disagree slightly. Winning a flag should be the goal of every club but I don’t think it’s their sole purpose. I would put providing a safe and healthy outlet for the community as the top priority.

Which towns are the best examples of this? Powelly has to be up there. No major population centres nearby, most players would drive past 10 other clubs that would love to have them as well.

How long would you give the survival of an association if all clubs adopted the Powelltown model to win premierships?