SEASON 2024

[Nvent]

I’m sorry but the state of umpiring is best described by a 15yo with limited experience umpiring the senior grand final. Good luck to him in getting the game but he realistically has umpired one year of senior football. Whilst we have all discussed the virtues of the senior coach (no need to go back there) surely a teenager needs more time to develop and gain experience to be appointed to these games. Exposing him to that level at a young age may see him walk away from umpiring for good due to a bad experience. That’s not good coaching or development.

Umpiring is in trouble everywhere unfortunately. It is a tireless and thankless task and they work in a primarily negative environment and they are realistically never correct. It is easy to ‘bag’ them but rarely people come up with a solution. The poor quality of coaches everywhere is due to many not wanting to do the job due to the time commitment, constant criticism and poor remuneration. I know of a number of real,y good people who would do the jobs if the conditions were better.

Why can clubs pay players a fortune and often way above market rate (and ability) but scream when an increase in wages for umpires/ better coaches is suggested. Then they complain incessantly about having to pay more to their respective leagues to try and improve the situation. What then happens is the loudest/ majority wins and umpiring continues to suffer the same issues.

This is not just an Outer East situation, it is everywhere. I am told the umpiring in the Eastern premier grand final was poor too.

The AFLOE has good umpires unfortunately the umpires boss ignorantly selected others for finals. No way should a young kid have been umpiring a senior GF. Don’t insult our intelligence by trying to say he’s in the best 3 umpires up here. The game yesterday was ruined due to one umpire over officiating and one just far too inexperienced to make correct calls. When you have an umpires boss that believes every time body contact occurs it’s a free kick we are doomed. To then see him assisted by one of the worst umpires for making the game about himself my god.


I’d say the AFLOE would have a record amount of 25 meter penalties downfield send offs and reports.
Completely lost any feel for the game.

 

[Squib]

The AFLOE has good umpires unfortunately the umpires boss ignorantly selected others for finals. No way should a young kid have been umpiring a senior GF. Don’t insult our intelligence by trying to say he’s in the best 3 umpires up here. The game yesterday was ruined due to one umpire over officiating and one just far too inexperienced to make correct calls. When you have an umpires boss that believes every time body contact occurs it’s a free kick we are doomed. To then see him assisted by one of the worst umpires for making the game about himself my god.


I’d say the AFLOE would have a record amount of 25 meter penalties downfield send offs and reports.
Completely lost any feel for the game.

Agree . The finals games I caught were just horrendous. It was identified in week 1 of finals there were glaring issues, yet nothing changed including yesterday’s GF. The commentators were confused and at times snickering at calls. It’s actually a real concern for the competition imo.

 

[Noodles Magee]

The young kid wasn’t the issue, he was fine IMO. The amount of off the ball free kicks paid by the one bloke we are all referring to on here was comical and he was clearly being communicated to via an earpiece which is a whole other debacle.
In no way did the officiating affect the result, NW were too classy, composed and took their chances. But when you have players looking around in bewilderment wondering which way the decision was going to go and what it was for then it ruins the spectacle which is supposed to be the showpiece of the comp. League officials feeling the need to apologise for the state of the officiating tells you all you need to know about the mess that was yesterday.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I’m sorry but the state of umpiring is best described by a 15yo with limited experience umpiring the senior grand final. Good luck to him in getting the game but he realistically has umpired one year of senior football. Whilst we have all discussed the virtues of the senior coach (no need to go back there) surely a teenager needs more time to develop and gain experience to be appointed to these games. Exposing him to that level at a young age may see him walk away from umpiring for good due to a bad experience. That’s not good coaching or development.

Umpiring is in trouble everywhere unfortunately. It is a tireless and thankless task and they work in a primarily negative environment and they are realistically never correct. It is easy to ‘bag’ them but rarely people come up with a solution. The poor quality of coaches everywhere is due to many not wanting to do the job due to the time commitment, constant criticism and poor remuneration. I know of a number of real,y good people who would do the jobs if the conditions were better.

Why can clubs pay players a fortune and often way above market rate (and ability) but scream when an increase in wages for umpires/ better coaches is suggested. Then they complain incessantly about having to pay more to their respective leagues to try and improve the situation. What then happens is the loudest/ majority wins and umpiring continues to suffer the same issues.

This is not just an Outer East situation, it is everywhere. I am told the umpiring in the Eastern premier grand final was poor too.

There is a solution and it quite simply involves money.

Until field umpires are paid at least several hundred dollars per match it will remain terrible.

It needs to be a viable part-time job so it attracts people and then the cream will rise to the top.

There is simply no umpires at the moment at why would there be? Why would you pay money (after your expenses) to get abused every week?

It’s absolutely amazing that we have any at all.

 

[Nvent]

The young kid wasn’t the issue, he was fine IMO. The amount of off the ball free kicks paid by the one bloke we are all referring to on here was comical and he was clearly being communicated to via an earpiece which is a whole other debacle.
In no way did the officiating affect the result, NW were too classy, composed and took their chances. But when you have players looking around in bewilderment wondering which way the decision was going to go and what it was for then it ruins the spectacle which is supposed to be the showpiece of the comp. League officials feeling the need to apologise for the state of the officiating tells you all you need to know about the mess that was yesterday.

If I hear again that the best umpires don’t get Grand Finals as it’s a rotation to make it fair I will spew up.

 

[aussie80s]

I think the young kid doing the umpiring has been excellent all year, despite only being about 14 y.o. My team didn't make the finals but he umpired a lot of our games and I was really impressed with him every time I saw him. He makes quick decisive decisions and keeps the game moving.

I expect we'll lose him to the AFL in a couple of years and think he is an asset to the League and deserved his shot at a GF. I was at the Narre v Wandin GF as a neutral watcher and thought he did fine. I am guessing they have been told to crack down on sling tackles and they overdo that at times which is the only detraction, but that is more their instructions than their decisions in that regard and a filter down effect from the AFL.

 

[ManInWhite]

I’m sorry but the state of umpiring is best described by a 15yo with limited experience umpiring the senior grand final. Good luck to him in getting the game but he realistically has umpired one year of senior football. Whilst we have all discussed the virtues of the senior coach (no need to go back there) surely a teenager needs more time to develop and gain experience to be appointed to these games. Exposing him to that level at a young age may see him walk away from umpiring for good due to a bad experience. That’s not good coaching or development.

Part of the problem is that OE had a fantastic 15 year old who moved to EFNL this season to improve his development. OE coach was obviously salty and decided he needed a "project" and grabbed another 15 year old (there were actually 2) and pushed them through the system. Whilst they are competent, they are certainly nothing more special than many of the other umpires that are more experienced. I think this says more about the coach wanting to be congratulated for such wonderful coaching given that a young kid can get the GF. What is interesting is that during the season the young kids have really only been doing very clean & harmless Prem games because they don't know how to handle the pressure of a D1 game with a bit of heat in it. That in itself has created a number of problems with the more experienced umpires who have to clean the mess up each week so the kids can have a fun run to the finals. That hasn't gone down well with a few.

 

[Nvent]

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a good get for Gembrook.

 

[Bigdog35]

Any news on what Pakky’s going to do next year?

 

[The Red Door]

Hallam declared their intentions to move to SFNL in October last year and still got across. Could Paky do the same?

 

[ManInWhite]

A month or so ago I think they were quoted as "exploring their options". Whether that means west or east??

 

[MortlockWatcher]

I think they'd like to be in the WGFNC given a choice but the clubs in that league are worried that would open the floodgates for the likes of neighbouring clubs such as Beacy, Officer, etc. to use that as a precedent. West Gippy are keener on an arrangement with Ellinbank as a two-division structure and what they have now seem to be their preferred numbers, otherwise they could end up with three divisions .

SFNL is the likelier option given that former Casey-Cardinia clubs have been gravitating in that direction.

 

[Ata Glance]

I think they'd like to be in the WGFNC given a choice but the clubs in that league are worried that would open the floodgates for the likes of neighbouring clubs such as Beacy, Officer, etc. to use that as a precedent. West Gippy are keener on an arrangement with Ellinbank as a two-division structure and what they have now seem to be their preferred numbers, otherwise they could end up with three divisions .

SFNL is the likelier option given that former Casey-Cardinia clubs have been gravitating in that direction.

Do we really care? If they don’t want to be here then send them on their way. Sick to death of management pandering to clubs that don’t want to be here, footy or netball.


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[MortlockWatcher]

Agreed. But we are stuck with them until they go.

 

[localfootyguru]

I think they'd like to be in the WGFNC given a choice but the clubs in that league are worried that would open the floodgates for the likes of neighbouring clubs such as Beacy, Officer, etc. to use that as a precedent. West Gippy are keener on an arrangement with Ellinbank as a two-division structure and what they have now seem to be their preferred numbers, otherwise they could end up with three divisions .

SFNL is the likelier option given that former Casey-Cardinia clubs have been gravitating in that direction.

Pakenham left West Gippsland (and the clubs were happy for them and other clubs to go) because they wanted to play in a higher standard and more competitive league. They dominated the old West Gippsland league and the current member clubs do not want to see them back so any approaches have been refuted by the league. They also were a potential club for the Gippsland FNL but the club members didn't want to head there due to distance/ travel.

They have been looking at future options but they are also quite happy in Outer East too (I know the members and supporters certainly are) and will again be in the league in 2025.

 

[Pendles1991]

Pakenham just picked up Justin Stanton as coach. Great pick up, but very odd he bailed at Nar Nar goon straight after winning a flag and wasn't there all that long.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Pakenham just picked up Justin Stanton as coach. Great pick up, but very odd he bailed at Nar Nar goon straight after winning a flag and wasn't there all that long.

Apparently he was effectively sacked about 8 weeks back with the committee unhappy at how the season was progressing - they told him he wouldn’t be there next year and started talking to other coaches.

Then he stuffed up their plans by winning the flag.

 

[Pendles1991]

Apparently he was effectively sacked about 8 weeks back with the committee unhappy at how the season was progressing - they told him he wouldn’t be there next year and started talking to other coaches.

Then he stuffed up their plans by winning the flag.

Haha really? That's crazy. Well I mean what a way to say **** you by Stanton, winning a flag is the ultimate way to get fired and bail. I see him definitely trying to take some Nar Nar Goon players across with him then.

 

[The Red Door]

It’s unbelievable a town the size of Pakenham will be playing towns the size of Powelltown next season.

 

[ROOTA#6]

It’s unbelievable a town the size of Pakenham will be playing towns the size of Powelltown next season.

Absurd really

 

[Billy Blogs]

Absurd really

The days of players living where they play are long gone

 

[Glorfindel]

The days of players living where they play are long gone

Even where I live now (East Gippy) it doesn’t happen.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

“The club’s been really open and transparent and said to me they envision that next year will be the last year in Outer East (league) and they will explore what Southern league will looks like in 2026 and they’ll also explore what the West Gippsland would look like in 2026, in particular if there is a proposed divisional restructure format in place,” Stanton said.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

It’s unbelievable a town the size of Pakenham will be playing towns the size of Powelltown next season.

They might be playing Catani in 2026!

Ridiculous - surely the WGFNL / EDFNL put a pin in this rubbish quickly - Pakenham is suburbia, it’s not a country club.

 

[The jouneyman]

It’s unbelievable a town the size of Pakenham will be playing towns the size of Powelltown next season.

powelltown will be a great drive for them.they can shoot up the princess HWY and cut across thru neerim south and they will be there.hell they can even talk about the old days of the mighty west gippy when they where a powerhouse lol