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I think we're a better team with 3 tall forwards. Happy to lose a bit of pressure in our F50 for what the marking options brings us across the ground
Sure, if the marking options are either good enough or at least in form enough to be good enough.

But if you're not getting marks and then also lacking the pressure when it hits the deck... you get most of our form from the second half of this year.
 
Sure, if the marking options are either good enough or at least in form enough to be good enough.

But if you're not getting marks and then also lacking the pressure when it hits the deck... you get most of our form from the second half of this year.
We didn't struggle to score, highest scoring team in the H&A and best conversion rate inside 50.

Again, not concerned about the loss of pressure when we still scored highly
 
We didn't struggle to score, highest scoring team in the H&A and best conversion rate inside 50.

Again, not concerned about the loss of pressure when we still scored highly
We didn't struggle to score... until we did.

From round 16 onwards we were hardly an offensive juggernaut. The game plan got worked out and we had nothing.

We can back the same game plan in, but when it doesn't work out and we're forced to go long down the line or bomb it inside 50, you need talls that can take contested marks, or lots of smalls that can crumb it when they can't.
 

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We didn't struggle to score... until we did.

From round 16 onwards we were hardly an offensive juggernaut. The game plan got worked out and we had nothing.

We can back the same game plan in, but when it doesn't work out and we're forced to go long down the line or bomb it inside 50, you need talls that can take contested marks, or lots of smalls that can crumb it when they can't.
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I think we're a better team with 3 tall forwards. Happy to lose a bit of pressure in our F50 for what the marking options brings us across the ground
The problem is they don’t take marks.

Amartey is the key for me. He lacks any sort of endurance which renders him anchored to the square .

McLean isn’t the most athletic bloke getting around ( which is fine he is more of a ruck)

Amartey’s limitations means Logan is pushed further up the ground and is taking away from his natural position of ff.

I’d prefer to move amartey down back , Logan to ff ( who can still work up the ground ) and move Blakey forward.

We have a plethora of guys who can kick and distribute so they can replace Blakey as the main ball user down back ( looking at your Matty robb).

Blakey’s size and athleticism will give oppo coaches fits trying to find a match up and he can push up and turn around like a Jeremy Cameron type.

My proposed forward line would be

Papley Logan Wicks/cleary/dattoli

Blakey mclean Hayward

We still have marking power , added pace, pressure and foot skills. Not to mention Liz’s unicorn skillset
 
I think Chad Warner and the rumours surrounding him will be an interesting challenge for Cox first up.

I hope he's brave enough to put that to the side and move Warner out of the midfield, even if it risks increasing the appeal of moving west for Warner.

Of course, that's assuming that Cox and the selection committee have any plans to do that next year, but moving him forward and giving the likes of Mills/Sheldrick/Cleary more time in the midfield ticks so many boxes for mine.

Strengthens us at the contest ✅
More speed and x-factor forward of the football ✅
More defensive accountability ✅
Maximises the relevant players' attributes ✅

IMO Warner's best games this year were off the back of second half bursts from him. He hasn't really proven himself as someone that can dominate for four quarters, and that's fine - he doesn't have to. A move to the forward line and then rotating him through the midfield in the second half seems like the perfect way to get the best out of him.
I agree with a lot of that but I wouldn't restrict Warner's midfield time to the second half alone, more to shorter bursts on the edges of the scrum interspersed with front half time.
 
We didn't struggle to score... until we did.

From round 16 onwards we were hardly an offensive juggernaut. The game plan got worked out and we had nothing.

We can back the same game plan in, but when it doesn't work out and we're forced to go long down the line or bomb it inside 50, you need talls that can take contested marks, or lots of smalls that can crumb it when they can't.
And when we weren't performing it wasn't because we were playing 3 tall forwards. It was because our players looked tired and stopped trying.

We did lack marking targets throughout the season, and taking one away - even a bad one - will put us in a much worse spot.
 
And when we weren't performing it wasn't because we were playing 3 tall forwards. It was because our players looked tired and stopped trying.

We did lack marking targets throughout the season, and taking one away - even a bad one - will put us in a much worse spot.

Whenever I watched our games live, it looked like Amartey couldn't do everything required to correctly mark the ball. Either he would be in position & then fumble it or he'd be out of position or go with the wrong type of lead. It rarely clicked for him imo.

Maybe it clicks for him this off-season but I think he's that jesse white type of tease player. He'll have flashes of brilliance but not consistent enough to warrant a top 23 spot in a GF winning side. That & he doesn't trust his body to ruck consistently which means we have to play Mclean, this adds onto our mobility/pressure issues in the front half.
 
Sure, if the marking options are either good enough or at least in form enough to be good enough.

But if you're not getting marks and then also lacking the pressure when it hits the deck... you get most of our form from the second half of this year.
I don't think having three talls per se was our big issue. Our setup sucked a lot of the time from mid season on. Didn't mark or bring the ball to ground. As has been done to death allowed the ball to waltz out so no repeat shots.
Play Amartey and McDonald closer to goal with 4 smalls around and in front of them and sneaking out the back. McLean a kick further out on the fat side (when there are 3) to help block exits. Grundy too. Mids working in a line across. This is pretty much what we did in the first half of the year until we went stupid.
 
And when we weren't performing it wasn't because we were playing 3 tall forwards. It was because our players looked tired and stopped trying.

We did lack marking targets throughout the season, and taking one away - even a bad one - will put us in a much worse spot.
Will it?

Collingwood won the flag in 2023 without a single tall forward in the top 150 for marks, top 25 for contested marks, or top 25 for marks inside 50.

They made up for it with a shit-load of smalls and pressure at ground - Elliott, Hill, McCreery, Ginnivan, and a resting mid (usually Adams, occasionally Lipinski or J. Daicos.)

I don't see why we can't do the same while we lack a decent tall. (McDonald is tracking OK-ish, he may surprise for the better - I personally am not convinced he is more than a solid third tall type.)

But re your point about our game plan failing because the players weren't trying, I agree with that to a certain extent, but I also think it had a lot to do with our game plan being figured out and us not having the options to respond. If I'm to interpret your second sentence correctly, it sounds like you think we should just trust our players will turn up and deliver plan A every week, rather than having contingency plans and flexibility with our structures that will allow us to kick a winning score even if plan A fails.
 
I agree with a lot of that but I wouldn't restrict Warner's midfield time to the second half alone, more to shorter bursts on the edges of the scrum interspersed with front half time.
Yeah, I worded it poorly. I meant he should play primarily forward and rotate through the midfield in the first half and then start to feature there more prominently later in games as his speed and explosiveness become a bigger factor.
 
Will it?

Collingwood won the flag in 2023 without a single tall forward in the top 150 for marks, top 25 for contested marks, or top 25 for marks inside 50.

They made up for it with a shit-load of smalls and pressure at ground - Elliott, Hill, McCreery, Ginnivan, and a resting mid (usually Adams, occasionally Lipinski or J. Daicos.)

I don't see why we can't do the same while we lack a decent tall. (McDonald is tracking OK-ish, he may surprise for the better - I personally am not convinced he is more than a solid third tall type.)

But re your point about our game plan failing because the players weren't trying, I agree with that to a certain extent, but I also think it had a lot to do with our game plan being figured out and us not having the options to respond. If I'm to interpret your second sentence correctly, it sounds like you think we should just trust our players will turn up and deliver plan A every week, rather than having contingency plans and flexibility with our structures that will allow us to kick a winning score even if plan A fails.
We can play 1 tall but I don't think it will make the difference.

In spite of our brilliant delivery we had a hard time getting the ball moving at times.

Collingwood don't get trapped in their defensive half yet we do.

We can do it playing shorter but playing a shorter forward won't impact much. Fixing our delivery from defence, especial at kick ins will make a huge difference
 
We can play 1 tall but I don't think it will make the difference.

In spite of our brilliant delivery we had a hard time getting the ball moving at times.

Collingwood don't get trapped in their defensive half yet we do.

We can do it playing shorter but playing a shorter forward won't impact much. Fixing our delivery from defence, especial at kick ins will make a huge difference
All teams get trapped in their defensive half if you're against a half decent defensive structure, as in most finals. The release valve is going long and taking a contested mark, or letting your smalls go to work crumbing at ground level. We don't get that release valve because when we go long, we can't take a mark in the air or crumb it on the ground. Opposition defenders just intercept and have a field day banging it back in over and over and putting our defence under pressure.
 

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All teams get trapped in their defensive half if you're against a half decent defensive structure, as in most finals. The release valve is going long and taking a contested mark, or letting your smalls go to work crumbing at ground level. We don't get that release valve because when we go long, we can't take a mark in the air or crumb it on the ground. Opposition defenders just intercept and have a field day banging it back in over and over and putting our defence under pressure.
We can't even get it past the half way line. How will a small crumb when it doesn't even hit the ground?

I think we need better marking talls but swapping one for a crumbing player will give us nothing
 
We can't even get it past the half way line. How will a small crumb when it doesn't even hit the ground?

I think we need better marking talls but swapping one for a crumbing player will give us nothing
Swapping a tall who isn't taking marks with a crumbing player would give us... an extra crumbing player. As opposed to having a tall who isn't taking marks and also not having a crumbing player.

It's at least being proficient in one area instead of deficient in two.
 
Swapping a tall who isn't taking marks with a crumbing player would give us... an extra crumbing player. As opposed to having a tall who isn't taking marks and also not having a crumbing player.

It's at least being proficient in one area instead of deficient in two.
In the first half of the season we were pretty decent at putting the ball to advantage. Later we got careless and the worst of all was in the GF where it looked like we were kicking it to the opposition.
 
Now we have a new coach. ✅

Next we need a new psychologist then a new lawyer. Let Cox choose his team:

Next step is C88’s DNA adjustment to be harder, more contested and defensive. Hope that is the new mantra. Want to see these metric rewarded but also punished if not adhered to.

Also want to see less ‘favourites’ style of coaching. You wear an AA jacket, great stuff. You lay 1 tackle in a match ever again, you’re in the 2’s.
 
Unpopular opinion but i'm tipping the forgotten guys in Pete Ladhams and Wicks to make a big impact next season.

Grundy's second half of the year was underwhelming and seemed like something was off even in his presence. Easy to forget Ladhams is only 26 i rekn he's going to unleash and take his opportunity. And we kinda need him to, because he's likely going to fill the ruck Jesus gap when Grundy falls off the cliff and Green is still too green.

Wicks is the one who plays the agile forward role we were severely lacking ever since his absence. The Parker/Mills combo in + Wicks out were the common denominators in our form drop. Wicks is huge to our structure imo. Whether he impacts strongly or not we play better with him in the team.
 
Unpopular opinion but i'm tipping the forgotten guys in Pete Ladhams and Wicks to make a big impact next season.

Grundy's second half of the year was underwhelming and seemed like something was off even in his presence. Easy to forget Ladhams is only 26 i rekn he's going to unleash and take his opportunity. And we kinda need him to, because he's likely going to fill the ruck Jesus gap when Grundy falls off the cliff and Green is still too green.

Wicks is the one who plays the agile forward role we were severely lacking ever since his absence. The Parker/Mills combo in + Wicks out were the common denominators in our form drop. Wicks is huge to our structure imo. Whether he impacts strongly or not we play better with him in the team.
With all due respect this is just not accurate. And I've seen our drop off in performance being attributed to Mills & Parker quite a few times on here.

We lost the two games prior to Mills & Parker's inclusions, both to non-finalists. The wheels were already falling off and, if anything, Mills & Parker's inclusions were probably a reaction to that drop-off in performance, not a cause of it.

(Though I do agree that replacing Wicks with Parker ended up a somewhat costly decision as we sacrificed a lot of forward pressure, but Wicks' form left us little choice. Ideally we'd have given Cleary more of a chance to show what he could do in this role much sooner than round 23.)
 
Unpopular opinion but i'm tipping the forgotten guys in Pete Ladhams and Wicks to make a big impact next season.

Grundy's second half of the year was underwhelming and seemed like something was off even in his presence. Easy to forget Ladhams is only 26 i rekn he's going to unleash and take his opportunity. And we kinda need him to, because he's likely going to fill the ruck Jesus gap when Grundy falls off the cliff and Green is still too green.

Wicks is the one who plays the agile forward role we were severely lacking ever since his absence. The Parker/Mills combo in + Wicks out were the common denominators in our form drop. Wicks is huge to our structure imo. Whether he impacts strongly or not we play better with him in the team.
Agree on Grundy

He looked average as
 
First TRACK WATCH report from Lachie McKirdy

The key message was to make sure they responded positively. “Body language” was repeatedly shouted at the players during their breaks between sprints: “You can be tired, but you can’t look tired.”



 
First TRACK WATCH report from Lachie McKirdy

The key message was to make sure they responded positively. “Body language” was repeatedly shouted at the players during their breaks between sprints: “You can be tired, but you can’t look tired.”




Geez that is just the ultimate puff piece.

I wouldn't read too much into anyth-PATRICK SNELL WAS LISTED AS A PLAYER WHO IMPRESSED!
 

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