Think you’re on the mark. To be honest it’s just something a club shouldn’t be doing.
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Think you’re on the mark. To be honest it’s just something a club shouldn’t be doing.
Ok mate, you got me. I’ve no experience and have no idea what I’m talking about.
You are bang on….
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Well it seems that way.
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He is.
you’ve just rolled off a list of challenges that all clubs face at some point in their journey. ALL clubs!! The cash never lasts, people come and go, in every club.
My point is there’s clubs that meet the challenges head on, find innovative ways to create revenue and attract sponsorship, recruit well. Then theres clubs that just complain about how hard done by they are, it’s the leagues fault, or a clubs over the salary cap, or a club’s pinching their juniors. Just glass a half empty mentality that is not helpful and honestly, no one wants to hear that shit. Certainly supporters or potential sponsors and players.
Never said it wasn’t hard. Just because you don’t agree with me, doesn’t mean there’s no merit in what I’m saying.
You’d email the league on a regular basis I feel.
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. Id argue that’s your position.
I was correct about the emails wasn’t I?
Never made contact with them not my wheelhouse.
Riiiiight….
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It’s not that - you’re just missing the point.
Nah, im not.
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I don't think it should be purely on previous seasons finish - do Powelltown deserve the most PP's after winning 2 of the last 3 flags?
What about teams going up/down divisions?
I see some merit in some form of scaling, just not sure what that looks like
What about teams going up/down divisions?
I see some merit in some form of scaling, just not sure what that looks like
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The points system definitely needs a few adjustments but yes agreed it shouldn't be judged off one season.
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With this scaling system winning two in a row would be a far great achievement especially if you don't go up a division..
More than likely they would be regarded as the lowest ranked team and have the most points to account for the rise in standard and the need to recruit in order to be competitive.
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Not sure where Div 1 sits but the top 4 or 5 premier sides never really went close to point allocation. Could likely drop the total points down but will that really help balance the competitiveness of this division? I don’t think so.
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Big loss for Warburton with Trent Elliot signing at Kilsyth. With the other finals sides recruiting well you would hope they are bringing talent in not loosing more.
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Is there a new thread yet for 2025?
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A well known umpire goneski?
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Correct. Both the senior and junior umpiring coaches are gone and won’t be involved in 2025.
The league undertook a review of the umpiring and decided to go in s a different direction. I’m sure many people including posters on here will be happy. ManInWhite will certainly be one of them.
Clubs and stakeholders have been informed of the decision.
OEFN & YRUA – Umpiring structure statement – Outer East Football Netball
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www.outereastfn.com.au
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I know where you're coming from but in actual fact the announcement doesn't actually give me any enjoyment. I just see it as the closing chapter on a very messy 2 years for those involved. I have known and umpired with Jason since the early 1990's and have had a very good friendship with him along that time. As with any friendships, people have their ups and downs and whilst I might disagree a few times, I still respect that each of us can have our own views. I know that he will not be taking the news easily and I would ask that whilst most people are perhaps breathing a sigh of relief, rest assured that he has a passion for umpiring. He is a proud man and whilst many of the outcomes from the past 2 years may not have evolved as anyone would have liked, he was genuinely trying to get things to a good place from his perspective.
I don't get any joy from what has happened - it's really just confirmation that in hindsight the appointment shouldn't have happened - and the right people had been warned by many at the time. Dancing on a grave is disrespectful to the very good people still there. All I would suggest is for people to consider a line drawn in the sand. Look forwards and not backwards. Have the clubs work hard with Nobby and Brett to ensure that the new incumbent brings some elements that have been lacking and build up the camaraderie for the YV umpires to enjoy a time that used to be and hopefully stem the movement of umpires out of the league.
I don't get any joy from what has happened - it's really just confirmation that in hindsight the appointment shouldn't have happened - and the right people had been warned by many at the time. Dancing on a grave is disrespectful to the very good people still there. All I would suggest is for people to consider a line drawn in the sand. Look forwards and not backwards. Have the clubs work hard with Nobby and Brett to ensure that the new incumbent brings some elements that have been lacking and build up the camaraderie for the YV umpires to enjoy a time that used to be and hopefully stem the movement of umpires out of the league.
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Nicely worded ManInWhite. Shows a lot of dignity and respect to write a post like yours. The coach did have a lot of passion for umpiring but wasn’t the right choice. His appointment is part of a bigger issue in that many former and prospective coaches walk away from coaching umpires as it is a thankless task. Many hours spent and regularly criticised for poor remuneration and minimal support. Finding quality coaches in umpiring is like trying to find the needle in a haystack, near impossible.
Kudos to the Outer East hierarchy for reviewing umpiring and making the decision to change tack. Most leagues and umpiring groups won’t do this as they are scared of losing umpires which then causes further issues. This then results in the same coach doing the role for many years which then sees numerous problems resulting including many umpires leaving due to things becoming stale and boring.
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In this instance I think the league were forced into the change to prevent further umpires leaving - being stale wasn't the issue. Getting onto the front front was necessary because, as you say, quality coaches are rare and can take some time to find. Especially seeing as NFL are also on the hunt.
In some ways I wonder if the league saw this coming (I know some of the key people follow social media) so it wasn't hard to read the room. To that end, have they done some pre-work to suss out a suitable replacement before they pulled the trigger this week? We'll find out if the role gets filled quickly or not. Avoids the embarassment of clearing the position and then advertising and finding that nobody applies.
Today I was thinking of an "out of left field" approach. In order to avoid the hassle of OE Board trying to oversee the Umpiring Department, why not contract out the supply of umpires to an independent body? Similar to MPNFL obtaining their umpires from the Southern Umpires Association (SUA)? All current OE umpires would be required to (for example) join the EFNL umpires group. A contract would be executed to have the EFNL group provide umpires to the OE competition in an arms length arrangement. It could easily be arranged for legacy OE umpires to continue being appointed to YV games majority of the rounds (due to home location) although it does allow them to experience EFNL games if they desire. Also means that existing EFNL umpires can experience a change of footy by doing some games out east. Scott VN (EFNL advisor) very much wants a second umpires training base which could be co-located closer to the OE geography. Combined umpires group would have access to the much greater depth of EFNL coaching resources. Added bonus is the benefit of a wider social group for functions during the year. Current pool of OE umpires is quite small and social functions often get cancelled due to a shortage of numbers. This harms umpire retention because off field enjoyment is minimal - with a large group this would be so different. Tonight I attended a fantastic EFNL organised get together. Around 50 turned up which is actually a small portion of the 600 or so registered umpires. I'm not sure if OE even has 50 umpires these days? Nobody will worry if umpires are running from 1 league to another as everyone will be part of the same organisation.
Another benefit could be that with a larger organisation, the suggestion of clubs having to provide reserve grade umpires could be avoided as there is potentially a larger group of umpires willing to make themselves available.
I make this sound so easy and simple but the reality is that the concept would no doubt be harder to implement. But maybe the start of something to look at in a season or 2? It means the league don't have the added burden of trying to manage the umpiring department - all they have to worry about are the footy & netball clubs and just pay the EFNL an invoice once per week / fortnight / month. Also requires the EFNL to be on board - they might just say bugger off right from the start!
Just a thought bubble but in a world of diminishing resources, maybe things just need to be done a bit differently?
In some ways I wonder if the league saw this coming (I know some of the key people follow social media) so it wasn't hard to read the room. To that end, have they done some pre-work to suss out a suitable replacement before they pulled the trigger this week? We'll find out if the role gets filled quickly or not. Avoids the embarassment of clearing the position and then advertising and finding that nobody applies.
Today I was thinking of an "out of left field" approach. In order to avoid the hassle of OE Board trying to oversee the Umpiring Department, why not contract out the supply of umpires to an independent body? Similar to MPNFL obtaining their umpires from the Southern Umpires Association (SUA)? All current OE umpires would be required to (for example) join the EFNL umpires group. A contract would be executed to have the EFNL group provide umpires to the OE competition in an arms length arrangement. It could easily be arranged for legacy OE umpires to continue being appointed to YV games majority of the rounds (due to home location) although it does allow them to experience EFNL games if they desire. Also means that existing EFNL umpires can experience a change of footy by doing some games out east. Scott VN (EFNL advisor) very much wants a second umpires training base which could be co-located closer to the OE geography. Combined umpires group would have access to the much greater depth of EFNL coaching resources. Added bonus is the benefit of a wider social group for functions during the year. Current pool of OE umpires is quite small and social functions often get cancelled due to a shortage of numbers. This harms umpire retention because off field enjoyment is minimal - with a large group this would be so different. Tonight I attended a fantastic EFNL organised get together. Around 50 turned up which is actually a small portion of the 600 or so registered umpires. I'm not sure if OE even has 50 umpires these days? Nobody will worry if umpires are running from 1 league to another as everyone will be part of the same organisation.
Another benefit could be that with a larger organisation, the suggestion of clubs having to provide reserve grade umpires could be avoided as there is potentially a larger group of umpires willing to make themselves available.
I make this sound so easy and simple but the reality is that the concept would no doubt be harder to implement. But maybe the start of something to look at in a season or 2? It means the league don't have the added burden of trying to manage the umpiring department - all they have to worry about are the footy & netball clubs and just pay the EFNL an invoice once per week / fortnight / month. Also requires the EFNL to be on board - they might just say bugger off right from the start!
Just a thought bubble but in a world of diminishing resources, maybe things just need to be done a bit differently?
