SEN/Robbo/Hun: Essendon players have received show cause notices

[morgoth]

Yes but ASADA will appeal to make sure its 2 years

Well they lost against Saad so it does not mean they will win. The real problem is if you fight, they will go for 2 years for sure, if you roll over and players admit guilt they would probably settle for 6 months but Little seems hell bent on going the whole 9 yards.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

That's not the point.

I think that if Eddie saw the writing on the wall he'd start pushing people in front of buses.

Yes and no.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

So we won't see this in an Australia Court then? I beg to differ.

EFC can try. The Australian court might just say the issues are well covered by the processes and rules of sport so stop wasting its time. We'll see.

 

[Fletched]

I'm beginning to wonder if this is Robbo - clearly not the faintest idea of how the whole process works (despite it having been around for a LONG time), but still madly defending and crying about it.

I'm just criticizing the process

 

[mediumsizered]

As opposed to ASADA pinning most of their case on the testimony of a convicted drug dealer.

I'll think you'll find a certain chemist has provided a significant amount of evidence to ASADA, evidence that neither the EFC or the AFL have seen.

 

[Dramoth]

So its ASADA using some loophole that the AFL signed up for

What loophole? every sporting organisation in the world signs up to the same charter... doesnt matter if you are the organisation for tiddlywink... if you are a sporting organisation you sign up to the WADA charter for anti-doping in sports and you agree to abide by their laws.

Every team in the AFL are just franchises of the AFL and therefore have to abide by the agreements the AFL signs with any legal entity.

If the AFL signed an agreement with some organisation to have every team in the AFL's players wear a pair of shorts with a big yellow stripe down the back of them, the players have to wear the shorts.

If the AFL signs up to the WADA charter saying that none of the players will take any of the substances listed on the WADA schedule of banned or prohibited substances, then every team and player has to abide by that agreement.

ASADA is the Australian arm of WADA and is therefore the enforcement arm of WADA in Australia.

If Essendon was not guilty of running a systematic doping regime, then they should have kept the records instead of shredding them the night before they 'self-reported' last year. If they could come out and say emphatically "this is what our players took", then you would be in a much better position that you are right now. And right now, you are bent over a barrel about to get the shaft.

 

[blue harvest]

Well you shouldn't have to prove innocence, guilt should have to be proved

They've already proved the guilt to the level required.

 

[MightyPies1]

I have said all along that I feel sorry for the players, they were duped. My anger is directed mainly at Hird, he was behind it, he thought other clubs were more advanced and pushed the envelope. To compound it guys like Little refuse to understand what they did and why their is a price to pay, sadly that means players probably have to be banned.

This started because Essendon could not accept a major rebuilt was required and that it would take time. They ruthlessly went after Hird, decapitated Knights, poached from Geelong and created a culture or whatever it takes. Everyone involved at the admin and coaching level has to go.

Are you sure you are angry, come on be honest, you aren't angry but rather have feelings of schadenfreude.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I'm just criticizing the process

That seems to be all Essendon and its supporters have.

 

[Jobe Watson]

It is mandatory if found guilty to get 6 months, there is no getting off scott free. As I said, strict liability means being duped, or being too trusting does not get you off.

Only if sufficient evidence or recommendations are provided to the AFL to justify player bans.

It's really up to the AFL to decide on penalties.

 

[TedDougChris]

As opposed to ASADA pinning most of their case on the testimony of a convicted drug dealer.

Who you used to supply material which was then injected into the playing group...... FFS....

 

[The Dodger]

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2014-06-12/club-statement

"Essendon Football Club is not in a position to comment on any matter relating to its players and the ASADA investigation.

The Club will continue to act in the best of interest of its players and respect the integrity and confidentiality of this process.

Essendon chairman Paul Little will address the media tomorrow afternoon."

Interesting statement...the first from EFC that hasn't come out all guns blazing at the AFL/ASADA...?

They could still say they haven't taken anything illegal couldn't they? Hmmm wonder why it doesn't fit here?

 

[The_Reaper]

Only if sufficient evidence or recommendations are provided to the AFL to justify player bans.

It's really up to the AFL to decide on penalties.

Push come to shove the AFL isn't going to make a stand if ASADA provide sufficient reason to recommend penalties.

 

[Fletched]

What loophole? every sporting organisation in the world signs up to the same charter... doesnt matter if you are the organisation for tiddlywink... if you are a sporting organisation you sign up to the WADA charter for anti-doping in sports and you agree to abide by their laws.

Every team in the AFL are just franchises of the AFL and therefore have to abide by the agreements the AFL signs with any legal entity.

If the AFL signed an agreement with some organisation to have every team in the AFL's players wear a pair of shorts with a big yellow stripe down the back of them, the players have to wear the shorts.

If the AFL signs up to the WADA charter saying that none of the players will take any of the substances listed on the WADA schedule of banned or prohibited substances, then every team and player has to abide by that agreement.

ASADA is the Australian arm of WADA and is therefore the enforcement arm of WADA in Australia.

If Essendon was not guilty of running a systematic doping regime, then they should have kept the records instead of shredding them the night before they 'self-reported' last year. If they could come out and say emphatically "this is what our players took", then you would be in a much better position that you are right now. And right now, you are bent over a barrel about to get the shaft.

It just sounds like they can ban any player they want without proving it unless the defense can prove otherwise

 

[scottjr]

ASADA won't be doing deals. It's never 6 months and it's maybe 36 individual cases being dealt with as any other individual not sure they are offering a group discount?

 

[EnolaGay]

It just sounds like they can ban any player they want without proving it unless the defense can prove otherwise

Just like the MRP

 

[Unnamed1]

For the 282838192948th time, the Federal Court has no jurisdiction at first instance. - rather the AAT does - and only on the point of whether the evidence supports the placement on the Register of Findings by the ADRVP (not ASADA. Then the only appeal jurisdiction to the Fed Court is an error on a point of law considered by the AAT - the FedCourt cannot and will not hear all the evidence again.

Talk of 2-3 years in the courts is laughable and ignorant of knowledge of the legal system.

 

[vjknight]

well that only took 3 hours (interrupted) to read thru.

a big LOL at the newbie bombas (to the htb) who have spent 16 months defending their ****ing heroes but not spending one minute to understand the rules that are about to kill their club. tools.

whats the bet little announces the club not fighting charges at all and ending this asap. long shot yes, but worth a fiver.

 

[Pusswah]

As opposed to ASADA pinning most of their case on the testimony of a convicted drug dealer.

One of the more memorable bits I remember are the emails/texts with Dank jizzing about the benefits they'd see from the Thymosin - benefits that are characteristic of the dodgy one. That didn't come from Charter.

 

[Seedsfan]

They should follow the NRL's lead. The NRL stood down Sandor Earl lat year when he got a show cause notice. It is a strict liability crime so I do not want to hear innocent until proven guilty

 

[The_Reaper]

It just sounds like they can ban any player they want without proving it unless the defense can prove otherwise

Hardly. They've got a fair amount of evidence to suggest that Essendon players were injected with TB4.

 

[davis_756]

Ummm... nope... the players have to "show cause" why they shouldn't be placed on the register of findings. If they can't, it goes to the ADRVP where ASADA will have to provide evidence as to why the players should indeed be placed on the register of findings. If they are, the AFL Tribunal then has to weigh up all the evidence and recommendations from the panel to decide what length of bans, if any, should be dished out to the players.

ASADA/WADA do not lose when it gets to this stage that is all you need to know, they will not damage the reputation of the sport they are investigating until their case is bulletproof.

Its OVER, the ban length/backdating is the only thing to discuss now.

 

[Foxx]

its legit by the simple fact the AFL signing up to the WADA code. This is where Armstrong had troubles and gave up on even trying to clear his name (which there was no chance) or replying whilst in america

But it's A(ustralian)SADA's findings we would take to court.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Who you used to supply material which was then injected into the playing group...... FFS....

Same bloke who ASADA described as a fine upstanding individual who had turned his life around since his conviction.

I'm proud to have had such a productive member of society involved with my great club.

 

[TerryWallet]

They could still say they haven't taken anything illegal couldn't they? Hmmm wonder why it doesn't fit here?

Paul Little: "No EFC player has ingested illegal thymosin beta-4. Anyone suggesting that they have, is probably lying".