Coaching Staff Senior Coach: John Worsfold - Thank you John

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BrunoV said:
All this talk about game plans. It's a waste of time.

All game plans work as long as there is the requisite level of intensity and effort.

Two of the wors/most unsustainable game plans are Sydney and Port but they've got players who will at least work hard enough to implement the 'plans' more often than not.

I'd be worried about a game plan if we were challenging and being picked apart in finals.

Wind this whole thing back to the basics. Forget ball movement someone needs to take responsibility for a culture of lazy players.
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Absolutely spot effing on. Game plans are so overrated. Yes, teams have some plans but the media and many fans talk about AFL level coaching far to scientifically. Above all coaching is man management. Get buy in from everyone on the list to bring effort and intensity every week. Don’t confuse players(of whom many are not overly bright) because as soon as there is confusion the effort and intensity will drop and the stupid game plan won’t matter anyway. Get buy in.
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
Rated a good list by many just a few months ago, did you bring it up then?
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I've said for years it's pathetic that we've kept one person in that position given our lack of success. Such a position needs constant fresh eyes.

And either way, shouldn't success be measured by results? Who gives a shit how many people rated us, that doesn't win games of football.

But please, defend him.
 

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Alastair Clarkson article on Fox Sports indicating he might be thinking about leaving the Hawks. If he does leave and if we were to sack Worsfold, does anyone else think we should approach him about taking over (with a succession plan after say 3-5 years) and having him turn the club around. After all he is directly responsible for all the success that they've had over the last decade or so and I think he'd add the fire and passion that Worsfold lacks and he's not afraid to say it like it is.

If it was an option I think it'd be a great move to have Clarkson as head coach for 5 years to get the club back on the right track, with Caracella as his senior assistant and in charge of spread and ball movement (like he is at Richmond currently), then look to Leigh Tudor as the forwards coach (and Caracella's eventual No. 2), get Dean Solomon as defence coach, Choco as head of player development, etc.
 
WEEVZ said:
Alastair Clarkson article on Fox Sports indicating he might be thinking about leaving the Hawks. If he does leave and if we were to sack Worsfold, does anyone else think we should approach him about taking over (with a succession plan after say 3-5 years) and having him turn the club around. After all he is directly responsible for all the success that they've had over the last decade or so and I think he'd add the fire and passion that Worsfold lacks and he's not afraid to say it like it is.

If it was an option I think it'd be a great move to have Clarkson as head coach for 5 years to get the club back on the right track, with Caracella as his senior assistant and in charge of spread and ball movement (like he is at Richmond currently), then look to Leigh Tudor as the forwards coach (and Caracella's eventual No. 2), get Dean Solomon as defence coach, Choco as head of player development, etc.
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If Clarkson is gettable you throw the sink at him. As far as assistants go he could do whatever he wanted.

I doubt he is gettable and that he’d come to Essendon though.
 
Swallow the bitter pill with a shake of the head and pay Woosha out if Clarkson was available and interested.

What’s another couple mil added to our debt.

There’s no guarantee on Caracella being a great league coach. There’s unknowns and risks with a untried prospect like him. No matter how good an assistant he has been.



Clarkson is in his prime right now and if the fit was right it’ll be a good bet he’d sort this team out quickly.
Career coach who just might be looking for a fresh challenge and a change of work place environment and likes the idea of reorganising an entire club the way he wants.
 
Shane Heard said:
Swallow the bitter pill with a shake of the head and pay Woosha out if Clarkson was available and interested.

What’s another couple mil added to our debt.

There’s no guarantee on Caracella being a great league coach. There’s unknowns and risks with a untried prospect like him. No matter how good an assistant he has been.



Clarkson is in his prime right now and if the fit was right it’ll be a good bet he’d sort this team out quickly.
Career coach who just might be looking for a fresh challenge and a change of work place environment and likes the idea of reorganising an entire club the way he wants.
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His passion and craziness in the box will be a breath of fresh air
 
daffo said:
This is wishful thinking. Don't think we'll get Clarkson.
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Never know, he's in a unique position where he is heavily lauded by the entire competition and has enough feathers in his cap to do what ever he wants scot-free really.

He could announce tomorrow this season would be his last, hawthorn community would be devastated but i doubt any would be able to be angry or annoyed given what hes given them.

Spoke openly about moving on if hes not whats best for the group, a unique position because he's already succeeded in his job 4 times more than most coaches so i doubt its a huge issue for him whether or not to move on.
 

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SherbertLemon said:
I've said for years it's pathetic that we've kept one person in that position given our lack of success. Such a position needs constant fresh eyes.

And either way, shouldn't success be measured by results? Who gives a shit how many people rated us, that doesn't win games of football.

But please, defend him.
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Rubbish.

His list finish 7th with 12 wins last year.

He added Smith - our best player this year - and Saad, who’s been good this year. Stringer obviously a work in progress.

He had three late draft picks and got in Guelfi, who’s already played senior footy from pick 75, and Houlahan and BZT who look good in the VFL.

And you think he’s a problem?
 
Can't imagine Clarkson will want to leave a team he's in the process of building up again to come to a complete shitfest like us. But, then again, stranger things have happened as others have said.

How do we know Woosha is the problem, though? How much freedom does Woosha have to change other departments within the club? No point getting another new, senior coach if we're going to force them to work within the same shitty framework that's led us down the garden path in the first place.
 
WEEVZ said:
Alastair Clarkson article on Fox Sports indicating he might be thinking about leaving the Hawks. If he does leave and if we were to sack Worsfold, does anyone else think we should approach him about taking over (with a succession plan after say 3-5 years) and having him turn the club around. After all he is directly responsible for all the success that they've had over the last decade or so and I think he'd add the fire and passion that Worsfold lacks and he's not afraid to say it like it is.

If it was an option I think it'd be a great move to have Clarkson as head coach for 5 years to get the club back on the right track, with Caracella as his senior assistant and in charge of spread and ball movement (like he is at Richmond currently), then look to Leigh Tudor as the forwards coach (and Caracella's eventual No. 2), get Dean Solomon as defence coach, Choco as head of player development, etc.
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Clarkson is a good coach but he will not come in and fix the problems straight up nor would I see him in a succession plan. The build with the Hawks was a very deliberate process with a specific drafting plan and has remained the same way. He would need to strip us back a bit and it may take 3 years to get near finals. I know the Hawks won the GF in 2008 but it took them 6 or so years under Clarkson to become the great side that they where.
Not sure he runs with picking experienced assistants from other clubs either.

As for Solly. No thanks. Has not really set the world alight at the Suns. Leave me out of Choco as well. He was considered part of the problem and not the solution when the Tigers had their 2016 clean out.
 
bomber_mad_1989 said:
so I am listening to the MMM rub from Saturday (i know i know).. supposably Worsfold was the driver behind Stringer coming to the club and Dodo didn't want him (and now has an 'I told you so' attitude about the deal) - strange
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Don't know why Dodoro would have that attitude about it, the midfield or lack thereof which he put together is hurting us more.
 
Let me get this straight. We want to play like other teams and trap the ball in our forward line with pressure.

Yet our starting lineups this year during the preseason and the first few games have been Hooker(slow, great contested mark), Stewart and Daniher who doesn't defend and then you throw in Stringer playing mid/forward and a treacle slow small in Green.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but that sort of lineup says to me that there is going to be very little pressure from the forward half. If we want to play like that why are we selecting a side completely opposite to what we are planning to do.

Any person watching footy for 2 minutes could figure this out yet we have a whole group of highly paid professionals who can't. For me this is a mistake that cannot be excused or forgiven. You just cannot come to this conclusion and be trusted anymore.

Time for a change.

If Richmond win the flag this year do we offer Hardwick a 5 year 20 million dollar deal to rebuild this club?
 
If we are to look at Clarko I'd be looking at him in a non senior coach role, something where he could oversee the program and work with a younger head coach. Clarko is a career coach, giving him a role where he's not in the hotseat could increase his shelf life in the game and work on developing not only players but coaches too.
 

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